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Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:20 AM

How about some appreciation for the man as he rides off into the sunset

That man is Jerry Brown.
His 8 years as Governor of California (for a second time) has seen California rise from the disaster that was thirty years of pseudo-Republikkanism. He was able to persuade the voters to support sidelining prop-13, to raise taxes to fund badly needed improvements and to keeping voters from repealing the gas tax. California now has a budget surplus, that the republikkans have promised, if they got in control, to eliminate -- kind of like Georgia Bush II did in 2001 with the national surplus. California is now the 5th largest economy on the planet.

His time as Governor has not been perfect. But given he took over a state that was considered a basket case and ungovernable in 2010, he accomplished quite a lot in 8 years. He was aided by the super-majorities in the state legislature, of that there is no doubt; unlike Gov. Arnold's lack of assistance from the Nordquistan wing of the republikkan party when he was governor; remember when Arnold explained, with visuals, that California could not just keep cutting everything to get out of the budget crisis and the republiks still wouldn't vote for raising any state revenue?

Jerry will leave the state on much better footing than when he took office. The state has a lot to do to get people into affordable housing, protecting its most vulnerable, etc and here's hoping Govelect Newsom has as much success as the man he replaces.

Gov. Brown deserves a lot of respect from people. And if you want proof of his success -- faux spews almost never, never ever mentions anything about him because he has shown that taxes and protections (regulations) are NOT a hindrance to growth

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Reply How about some appreciation for the man as he rides off into the sunset (Original post)
rpannier Nov 2018 OP
Hekate Nov 2018 #1
lapfog_1 Nov 2018 #2
IthinkThereforeIAM Nov 2018 #12
libdem4life Nov 2018 #15
IthinkThereforeIAM Nov 2018 #16
dalton99a Nov 2018 #3
calimary Nov 2018 #4
LuvNewcastle Nov 2018 #36
jcgoldie Nov 2018 #49
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #5
Small-Axe Nov 2018 #18
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #21
Small-Axe Nov 2018 #22
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #23
Small-Axe Nov 2018 #24
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #25
Small-Axe Nov 2018 #31
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #34
Small-Axe Nov 2018 #35
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #40
displacedtexan Nov 2018 #38
Small-Axe Nov 2018 #41
Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2018 #47
shanti Nov 2018 #39
Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2018 #51
mr_lebowski Nov 2018 #52
Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2018 #53
mr_lebowski Nov 2018 #54
Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 2018 #26
Small-Axe Nov 2018 #32
ProfessorGAC Nov 2018 #33
Small-Axe Nov 2018 #37
ProfessorGAC Nov 2018 #43
Small-Axe Nov 2018 #44
oasis Nov 2018 #6
Liberty Belle Nov 2018 #7
byronius Nov 2018 #8
Quixote1818 Nov 2018 #9
sprinkleeninow Nov 2018 #10
BadgerMom Nov 2018 #11
Demovictory9 Nov 2018 #13
Silver Gaia Nov 2018 #14
kentuck Nov 2018 #17
VOX Nov 2018 #27
Mr.Bill Nov 2018 #30
rpannier Nov 2018 #48
Small-Axe Nov 2018 #19
California_Republic Nov 2018 #20
dhill926 Nov 2018 #28
Tikki Nov 2018 #29
2naSalit Nov 2018 #42
wryter2000 Nov 2018 #45
drmeow Nov 2018 #46
Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2018 #50
regnaD kciN Nov 2018 #55

Response to rpannier (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:26 AM

1. A toast to Jerry Brown. He will be missed.

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:34 AM

2. The biggest issue facing CA now is climate change

and it's not just the fires.

It's going to be / already is... water.

Lower amounts of snow pack every year and a declining aquifer are going to make for some very uncomfortable choices (flushing your toilet may become a once daily event).

The central valley farmers show little sign of changing to low water consumption crops... the central valley is dropping a few inches every year because of the pumping of ground water.

Massive amounts of desalination may be required like Israel but larger scale.

I don't envy anyone having to follow Jerry Brown... he solved just a whole bunch of issues with pragmatic and sensible solutions.

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 05:04 AM

12. California can always shut off the water it pumps to Arizona...

... was discussing the fires in California with a friend earlier this morning, and how the, "200 year wet cycle for the southwest", was over about 8 years ago. There is a reason why throughout history, people have tended to not live in deserts.

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Response to IthinkThereforeIAM (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 03:15 PM

15. The Colorado river is almost dry as it reaches Mexico...and that was a few years ago I read that.

 

The Central Valley needs huge amounts as it feeds up to 25% of the nation's food. The Oroville Dam is also aging poorly as they try and repair it. After the fires, the lack of ground brush and parched ground lets it flow away and flood smaller waterways or just run off.

Had forgotten about Arizona. Food before Snowbirds...that's Arizonan for folks who come there to either retire or spend the winters from the northern states. They add nothing but their retirement money for consumption.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 03:24 PM

16. What has happened to the Colorado river is tragic...


... eom.

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:35 AM

3. A truly great governor. California owes him a debt of gratitude

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:53 AM

4. Excellent assessment. Proud to say I voted for him four times!

He would have made a good President.

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Response to calimary (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 08:03 PM

36. I voted for him in the 1992 Democratic primary for President.

Some people made fun of him then, but he made more sense to me than anyone else running. Clinton did a decent job considering the circumstances at the time, but I wish Brown had made it back then. I think this country suffers a lot because some of our best problem-solvers get sidelined by people who are only out for themselves.

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #36)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 01:31 AM

49. I'm an Illinoisan my entire life but I also voted for Jerry Brown in the '92 primary

I was 19 and that was the first election I ever voted in. My Dad thought Reagan was the devil and he loved Bill Clinton... He passed away 10 years ago and I will never forget the awesome political debates we had that spring about the democratic primaries focusing on pragmatism and elect ability vs idealism and ideology.

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:55 AM

5. Cali better wise up; can't keep bringing Jerry back to fix things

There are a lot of folks not in California who look up to Governor "Moonbeam" and California. Don't think for a minute that Limbaugh and the deplorables are the majority.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 04:22 PM

18. Not Cali, that's a city in Colombia.

 

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Response to Small-Axe (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 06:42 PM

21. huh? maybe you clicked the wrong button

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 06:49 PM

22. Not a bit.

 

Jerry Brown is the governor of California.

Cali is a city in Colombia.

Thank you.

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Response to Small-Axe (Reply #22)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 06:53 PM

23. I guess "Moonbeam" confuses you, too.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 06:56 PM

24. Not a bit. It is a perjorative nickname for Jerry Brown.

 

"Cali" is worse.

WTF?

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Response to Small-Axe (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 07:14 PM

25. pejorative only on the right

Even Linda Ronstadt used the nickname for Gov. Brown. Every Californian I've ever talked to (admittedly not a statistically significant number) was proud of "Moonbeam" and, at one point or another, referred to California as "Cali".

I used to think it was Ronstadt who came up with the nickname, but the NYT says it was coined by a writer:

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/weekinreview/07mckinley.html

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 07:58 PM

31. "Cali" is despised by Californians

 

Please stop.

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Response to Small-Axe (Reply #31)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 08:01 PM

34. first I ever heard of it

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #34)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 08:02 PM

35. Glad to be the one to set you straight.

 

Now you know.

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Response to Small-Axe (Reply #35)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 08:31 PM

40. not necessarily

Your objection could be region-specific. Those whom I've heard use it with no offense intended could likewise be a regional subset of Californians.

I worked in a service station during my high school years (about the time Jerry Brown was in college) and there were some customers who made an annual trip from California to that little shop for tires and vehicle check-up. (One couple were related to the shop owner and the others came by invitation, the first time). They were the first people from California I ever met. Their speech was strange to my ears, but they were very willing to share their experiences travelling that giant state. It was fascinating to me to hear first-hand tales of the variety of landscape and people it has. At the time, the farthest I had travelled was Cincinnati to Miami, and never as far west even as the Mississippi. These visitors pretty much destroyed the local view that California was just a land of hippies. (This was late '60s, early '70s).

In college and later work environments, I met more people from California from time to time, but, of course, none ever impressed like those first. Times change and so does objectionable speech. As I said earlier, "Cali" was used by these folks and none used it with intent to disparage the place or the people.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #34)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 08:15 PM

38. We also hate it when people say Frisco. And there are songs about that name, too.

But we love Governor Brown. We topped the UK for 4th strongest economy in May of this year.

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Response to displacedtexan (Reply #38)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 08:36 PM

41. Spot on!

 

We love Jerry Brown.

And hate it when people say "Frisco" and "Cali."



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Response to displacedtexan (Reply #38)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:59 PM

47. The late, great bon vivant, Herb Caen,

wrote the book, "Don't call it Frisco." It was a hoot.

Anybody who calls it "Frisco" has never lived there.

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Response to Small-Axe (Reply #31)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 08:16 PM

39. Whatever

I'm a 3rd gen Californian and if someone wants to call it Cali, why the fuck not? I've even done so myself on occasion. This is petty.

Now what?

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #25)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 01:42 AM

51. I'm from Oakland originally

Neither Cali nor Frisco offend me. Frisco offended my mom, tho - she was a big fan of a tiresome columnist named Herb Caen (pr. Kane). He started all of the "please don't call it Frisco" nonsense. Cali is the new Frisco. Pay them no mind.

I think of Governor Moonbeam as trading more than insulting, and it really referenced young, 1970s Brown. There wasn't much that was wacky in his 2nd governorship.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #51)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 02:10 AM

52. Born on the Hill at Providence, myself ...

I have no issue with 'Cali', though ... just a convenient shortening of the word.

But 'Frisco', OTOH is annoying ... and definitely the signature of an outsider.

Though even that particular affront pales in comparison to calling my alma mater 'San LOOO-EEY Obispo' ... you want talk about a HATED nomenclature?

Lol ...

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #52)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 02:17 AM

53. Guys in the Service used to call it Frisco

They'd call San Diego "Dago" - there seems to be an urge to shorten things.

My mom gets furious when I say "Frisco" - she's be less mad if I said the other F word. But there is a city in Texas called Frisco. I'll talk about it (a family member worked there) just to annoy her.

Back in the days when there was far more military presence in the Bay Area than there is now. It never bothered me like people calling Los Angeles La La Land doesn't bother me.

I always found simply saying Cal Poly was faster and easier.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #53)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 02:26 AM

54. I should've said 'the city where my alma mater is' ...

This really is a case where the people there despise a certain pronunciation. If you're from there at all, you know it's 'San Loo-is', not 'San Loo-ey' ... Obispo. Regardless of whether the subject ... is the college there

Of course, to each their own ... but I think calling SF 'Frisco' pretty much marks you as a someone 'not from San Francisco' ... just as the SLO pronunciation thing does ...

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Response to Small-Axe (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 07:23 PM

26. Slang for California

but I think you may have known that.........

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Response to Dyedinthewoolliberal (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 07:58 PM

32. No, it is not.

 

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Response to Dyedinthewoolliberal (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 08:00 PM

33. As In "Going Back To Cali"

Written by a guy who was born and raised in SoCal!
And I agree, the other poster knows that!

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #33)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 08:05 PM

37. I'm aware of two songs with the title...

 

Both by guys from New York.

Please stop.

Thank you.

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Response to Small-Axe (Reply #37)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 08:49 PM

43. How About, No!

Snoop is from Long Beach
Need directions?
Been there dozens of times!!!
Check out the food at BBC!

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #43)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 08:59 PM

44. Snoop Dogg isn't exactly the authority in spelling. LOL.

 

Where is Herb Caen when we need him?

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:57 AM

6. Thanks for the reminder. Jerry Brown deserves high praise.

Great American, one of our finest California governors, and a solid Democrat.

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 03:01 AM

7. Jerry would be a great Supreme Court justice!

If Dems retake the presidency in two years.....he has a law degree from Yale and was Attorney General before his second stint as Governor. Or he could get appointed to another judicial seat, or be named U.S. Attorney General, or run for congress.

I have a hard time envisioning him just retiring and idlling away his remaining years.

I hope we can take back the Senate in 2 years along with the presidency, and make Rep heads explode with a Jerry Brown appointment to the Supreme Court!

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Response to Liberty Belle (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 03:04 AM

8. What a great idea. I'll pass that along to my son, a huge Jerry fan.

As am I. I was going to vote for him in '92 but my wife talked me into Bill.

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Response to Liberty Belle (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 03:05 AM

9. Yes but we need to put someone who is like 50 years old in

So they stay there for 30 to 40 years like Republicans have been pulling.

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 03:08 AM

10. Newsom got in? Attaway!

Gov. Brown--ĽĽRESPECT!

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 03:32 AM

11. Gov. Brown is one of my heroes.

Thank you. Iím proud to have your signature on my UC diploma.

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 05:05 AM

13. k&r

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 05:13 AM

14. Here here!

Jerry Brown is my hero! I will miss him! But he's been training Gavin Newsom to take over for him, and I think Gavin will do a fine job.

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 04:19 PM

17. I voted for Brown when he ran for President.

I think he was running against Bill Clinton in the primaries?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 07:28 PM

27. Yes, he ran in 1992. I also voted for Jerry Brown for president in 1976.

He was on the CA primary ballot that year as well.

In a way, Iím glad things worked out the way they did. Heís been a fantastic governor...both times!

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Response to VOX (Reply #27)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 07:56 PM

30. One of the great political tragedies of my lifetime

is that Jerry Brown was never President of the United States.

And I wouldn't be so sure about him riding off into the sunset, either.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #17)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 01:23 AM

48. I voted for him in '92 as well

Was disappointed as hell when he didn't win the nomination

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 04:27 PM

19. Thank you Jerry!

 

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 06:35 PM

20. Yes sir! That's my governor!

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 07:49 PM

28. K & R to infinity...

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 07:50 PM

29. I adore that man as a person and a Governor.

I wish he and his wife and extended family only the very best.
I remember the first time I voted for him and every time since.

To Sir With Love..

Tikki

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 08:49 PM

42. Amen to that.

He has been a good governor now and in the past. Most of my immediate family lives in California, I lived there during his earlier term(s?), was a while a go but I recall being relieved when I helped vote him into office.

One of the best governors ever, it's a yuge state and it's a hard one to steer.

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 10:05 PM

45. Love him

He was also mayor of my city, Oakland.

Jerry Brown fixed this state. Others could learn from him.

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:46 PM

46. I always find it amusing

that my Mom dated him very (very) briefly before she dated and married my Dad.

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 01:34 AM

50. On balance, more good than bad

He solved a huge budget crisis. He can't get enough credit for that.

I miss the first time, when he was dating Linda Ronstadt.

I voted for him in the '92 Presidential primary. Some guy named Clinton best him.

His dad was a great governor who we all wish had gotten a 2nd term.

California AG. Mayor of Oakland. Overall, an excellent career.

My bone to pick was that he was always right fisted with UC.

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 05:08 AM

55. One of the great "quiet" comebacks of the era...

I remember when he left the Governor's mansion the first time; less than a decade after hitting the national spotlight, and barely more than five years after his run for President (where, had he entered the race earlier than he did, he might well have grabbed the nomination from Jimmy Carter's grasp), he was a political laughingstock: derided nationally as "Governor Moonbeam" and as a past-his-prime celebrity, and defeated in his bid for Senate, it was assumed his time in the spotlight was over and that he'd retreat to a law partnership, political science chair, or ashram for a quiet future. Instead, he literally rebuilt his political career from the bottom up, this time without the glitz and glamor, slowly and steadily. And, in the end, his "second act" was far more a success than his first. Hail and farewell, Governor Brown!

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