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Avenatti tweets just now: (Original Post) yodermon Nov 2018 OP
I was ready to believe these allegations last night Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2018 #1
..and that, i'm afraid, was the entire point of this exercise. :( n/t yodermon Nov 2018 #3
We might have gotten played here Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2018 #4
Just maybe. (n/t) FreepFryer Nov 2018 #5
Yes Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2018 #8
His wife says he's never ever hit her. lark Nov 2018 #39
He was not accused by his wife. Ms. Toad Nov 2018 #105
Frequently. nt Autumn Nov 2018 #10
Most of you are always played. Polly Hennessey Nov 2018 #34
Well said. Pluvious Nov 2018 #84
There's a corollary to that, though. Whatever is alleged about calimary Nov 2018 #93
More importantly, it weakens our system of justice. KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2018 #112
Yes, I agree. And many were citing Harvey Levin/TMZ (a Nat'l Enquirer-type rag & a Trump mouthpiece) Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #117
Yup! happy feet Nov 2018 #120
"We"? Grasswire2 Nov 2018 #68
I think so PatSeg Nov 2018 #82
Some of us did. A lot of weren't fooled for a second. marble falls Nov 2018 #88
The entire nation was played. CaptYossarian Nov 2018 #119
Both his ex-wives have come to his defense luvtheGWN Nov 2018 #17
This! yuiyoshida Nov 2018 #37
That is what is interesting, why hasn't the alleged victim been identified. There is no reason not still_one Nov 2018 #81
Did you have the same reaction to all of the women who claimed Kavanaugh Ms. Toad Nov 2018 #106
WTF? How on earth were you ready to believe? bitterross Nov 2018 #28
+10 Duppers Nov 2018 #30
it's scary to see gullible people in our ranks. Grasswire2 Nov 2018 #69
I think 'gullible' is too strong of a word..... groundloop Nov 2018 #85
Yup, and the RW use that empathy against us LiberalLovinLug Nov 2018 #108
I think there are a lot of people who wanted to believe it. smirkymonkey Nov 2018 #99
Don't forget Keith Ellison also. brush Nov 2018 #75
then they blast it out of 1500 radio stations and make excuses when 'fake news' contradicts certainot Nov 2018 #83
I guess it's because I don't like Avanatti very much Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2018 #95
since this is the same asshole who went after Mueller. . . . niyad Nov 2018 #60
I didn't believe it for one second FarPoint Nov 2018 #61
My husband was on it almost immediately. He said "rat-fucking" as soon as he heard. calimary Nov 2018 #80
This is why I make myself wait 36 news-hours before letting myself come to a conclusion Volaris Nov 2018 #89
This little creep should be in jail for the fake accusation against Mueller. I Hope Avenatti gets Autumn Nov 2018 #2
Avenatti True Blue American Nov 2018 #51
It was obvious yesterday they were behind it when they broke the story. Autumn Nov 2018 #56
Is there proof or a link that they were behind the story Sugarcoated Nov 2018 #103
ANYONE who claims Matthew Whitaker has a 'stellar track record' is full of shit groundloop Nov 2018 #87
Jacob Wohl is going to be ruined over this. Baitball Blogger Nov 2018 #6
How do you ruin a dirt bag? watoos Nov 2018 #41
Use him to mulch Avenatti's vegetable garden. lagomorph777 Nov 2018 #54
Mommy is going to take away his Xbox for a week? John Fante Nov 2018 #100
I'm leaning on the side of the LAPD and the gov't in this case. Calista241 Nov 2018 #7
+1 Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2018 #9
You apparently aren't aware of the "mandatory arrest" policy that is part of the VAW act. phleshdef Nov 2018 #11
Yes...a result of OJ killing his ex. Lucky Luciano Nov 2018 #21
Yea, I mean, I think its a good policy because it likely has saved more women. phleshdef Nov 2018 #25
I bet the sex was unbelievable. nt PCIntern Nov 2018 #73
Yep. This has that little asshole all over it. I wonder if he will use the same blonde. Autumn Nov 2018 #23
+1 John1956PA Nov 2018 #24
There doesn't even have to be evidence of injury. phleshdef Nov 2018 #29
In this case there does Crabby Appleton Nov 2018 #49
Yea, my friend was in WV at the time. phleshdef Nov 2018 #53
But he wasn't charged with anything, let alone a felony. Native Nov 2018 #110
That doesn't mean that he won't be FBaggins Nov 2018 #121
This Ferrets are Cool Nov 2018 #33
Excellent point. eom littlemissmartypants Nov 2018 #42
This is blatantly incorrect Azathoth Nov 2018 #96
Thank you for explaining all of that. Ilsa Nov 2018 #118
So did his client, Stormy Daniels. She was set up. flibbitygiblets Nov 2018 #18
At the super technical level, Stormy Daniels did violate the law. Calista241 Nov 2018 #27
At a super technical level, they set her up flibbitygiblets Nov 2018 #35
Wrong kcr Nov 2018 #55
They knew she would be there, and they wanted to arrest her. Calista241 Nov 2018 #67
Wow, really, they dropped the charges immediately because it was.... USALiberal Nov 2018 #77
That's true. They arrested Stormy, but none of the other employees there that were doing the same Calista241 Nov 2018 #94
She didn't violate the law because it didn't pertain to her JonLP24 Nov 2018 #114
Avenatti got arrested by police, charged by prosecutors, and went before a judge that bonded him Farmer-Rick Nov 2018 #40
My reason for stating that was to highlight the differences between Avenatti's case and the Calista241 Nov 2018 #46
Yeah, but the accusation is just too convenient for Trump Farmer-Rick Nov 2018 #59
Are you kidding me? leftynyc Nov 2018 #43
Wohl lost his credibility instantly with the Mueller scam. There is zero reason to ever believe him lagomorph777 Nov 2018 #57
Evidently you've never been accused of anything before. blueinredohio Nov 2018 #63
When there are accusations of domestic abuse the police HAVE to arrest the accused.... George II Nov 2018 #65
According to TMZ's update(!) Mopar151 Nov 2018 #101
TMZ reported yesterday that the woman in the incident was not his wife. Calista241 Nov 2018 #102
Ken Olin tweeted that since OJ... Native Nov 2018 #109
Again? grantcart Nov 2018 #12
That's nice, but, if we're gong to take sexual assault seriously, we have to be equal about it Tarc Nov 2018 #13
Let's make sure it's not some RW smear campaign first. n/t Liberal In Texas Nov 2018 #16
Well, no. You investigate it seriously first. Tarc Nov 2018 #48
This isn't a claim of sexual assault. phleshdef Nov 2018 #20
Let me know when the woman comes forward leftynyc Nov 2018 #44
Since when do we ask for a woman's name to be published in cases like this? Tarc Nov 2018 #50
Republicans and their little Jacob Wohl are behind it. I want her name and everything about her Autumn Nov 2018 #52
When the turds taking credit for the takedown leftynyc Nov 2018 #78
Who is arguing that a reasoned investigation not take place? LanternWaste Nov 2018 #76
Surefire is after Mueller too. Skidmore Nov 2018 #14
Repukes win if we fall out over this. LakeArenal Nov 2018 #15
All it takes is for a person to be willing to lie... PeeJ52 Nov 2018 #19
This was a con job against Avenatti clearly. triron Nov 2018 #22
Rat Fucking. BlueIdaho Nov 2018 #26
Allways remember.... homegirl Nov 2018 #31
I thought... Mike Nelson Nov 2018 #32
It appears Vermont Democrats have cancelled an appearance by Avenatti and returned money. Hoyt Nov 2018 #36
Nope! healthnut7 Nov 2018 #38
The charge is domestic violence ScratchCat Nov 2018 #45
It is entirely possible Charlotte Little Nov 2018 #98
Ugh, these dumbasses again? Initech Nov 2018 #47
Go get em Michael! Make them pay. blueinredohio Nov 2018 #58
I had a Republican friend True Blue American Nov 2018 #66
both ex-wives defend him. . . consider the source. niyad Nov 2018 #62
If it were not for what happened with Franken, I might view this more credibly. Texin Nov 2018 #64
They could do this to anyone - Adam Schiff for example. Grasswire2 Nov 2018 #70
+1000 OnDoutside Nov 2018 #74
Yeah, I'll just wait until the LAPD and the prosecuters present their case. SaschaHM Nov 2018 #71
I believed the wife who said he never hit her. ananda Nov 2018 #72
We flat out don't know one way or the other. watoos Nov 2018 #79
I don't care if Avenatti is guilty or not. Oneironaut Nov 2018 #86
Bullshit. He's not after any sort of political leadership position. The circus is RW. He's not ... marble falls Nov 2018 #90
He's considering a run in 2020 progressoid Nov 2018 #104
Who isn't considering a run? marble falls Nov 2018 #107
You should care if dirty tricks are used to discredit opposition to the worst president in history. Doodley Nov 2018 #91
I do, but I seriously doubt defending Avenatti is a hill Democrats want to die on. Oneironaut Nov 2018 #97
I'd love to hear how right-wing incompetents managed to stage all this Azathoth Nov 2018 #92
I'm sure you'll hear all about it when the FBI completes their report for Mueller. Native Nov 2018 #111
Does it make a rat's ass what we think or what's on Twitter? KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2018 #113
Cenk went over this last night pdsimdars Nov 2018 #115
What a corrupt police department this is. They let Danny Masterson from that 70's show Oppaloopa Nov 2018 #116

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,452 posts)
8. Yes
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:23 AM
Nov 2018

Not really sure what to think at the moment. I've never been part of the Avanatti fan club and wouldn't really be surprised if he actually did something. But the sourcing raises some flags for me too. I guess we'll see.

Polly Hennessey

(6,812 posts)
34. Most of you are always played.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:53 AM
Nov 2018

Ready to believe any accusation before knowing the background and facts. We live in a world of dirty tricksters. Be skeptical; think critically before accepting accusations. This type of reaction is what will lead to the ultimate weakening of the “me too” movement.

calimary

(81,565 posts)
93. There's a corollary to that, though. Whatever is alleged about
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:07 PM
Nov 2018

many operatives and other principals from the other side tends to turn out to be true.

I’m glad to see that people here haven’t been suckered, or remain at least somewhat suspicious.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,498 posts)
112. More importantly, it weakens our system of justice.
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 08:46 AM
Nov 2018

Trial or investigation by social media or blog doesn't mean a thing except that it can shake public confidence in our normal means for justice.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
117. Yes, I agree. And many were citing Harvey Levin/TMZ (a Nat'l Enquirer-type rag & a Trump mouthpiece)
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 09:38 AM
Nov 2018

It was unbelievable. I'm baffled why Democrats were citing a Trump-related mouthpiece as a source for anything that relates in any way to truth. Even after it was shown the rag was lying.

There must be something to the allegations, or Avenatti wouldn't have been arrested. But we don't know what, yet, and we know that the Levin rag was lying about it.



CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
119. The entire nation was played.
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 09:59 AM
Nov 2018

I'm glad it's a nothingburger, since I'm still pissed over losing Al Franken.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
17. Both his ex-wives have come to his defense
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:38 AM
Nov 2018

and the alleged victim has not been identified. Would it surprise me that this is a set-up? No, not in the least.

still_one

(92,492 posts)
81. That is what is interesting, why hasn't the alleged victim been identified. There is no reason not
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:21 PM
Nov 2018

to identify her. Any other celebrity or noteworthy person that would have been released by now.

I am no fan of Avenatti, this does smell as a setup, and it will be interesting to see what comes out in the wash

If this was a setup, I really want to see charges pressed for filing a false police report, along with those responsible getting their asses sued





Ms. Toad

(34,123 posts)
106. Did you have the same reaction to all of the women who claimed Kavanaugh
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 07:28 PM
Nov 2018

was a perfect gentleman?

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
28. WTF? How on earth were you ready to believe?
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:47 AM
Nov 2018

After the Franken setup, after the Mueller setup, after all the dirty, rotten shit they've done you were ready to take the bait?

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
69. it's scary to see gullible people in our ranks.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:54 PM
Nov 2018

The ratf&%kers could take anyone down, apparently.

groundloop

(11,530 posts)
85. I think 'gullible' is too strong of a word.....
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:30 PM
Nov 2018

Good people feel empathy for victims, that's just human nature (at least among non-deplorables). When we read that a woman had bruises and a swollen face it's normal to feel outraged that someone did this.

As far as whether or not this was a setup or a legitimate police report, well, I chose to wait and see. I do think it's telling when ex-wives come out in support of their former spouse though.... I'd say that most of the time if there were a tendency to violence they'd have witnessed it.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,178 posts)
108. Yup, and the RW use that empathy against us
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 03:11 AM
Nov 2018

They are cold hearted assholes. Didn't I hear some pundits ridicule the word "empathy"? Like its some liberal disease. Its how they can blithely watch little children being ripped from their mothers arms, sometimes never to be reunited. They can't or just plain refuse to imagine themselves in the same situation.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,452 posts)
95. I guess it's because I don't like Avanatti very much
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:09 PM
Nov 2018

I think that he's a bit full of himself and would not be surprised that he could have done something like that + him having been arrested and detained made the allegations seem more serious than somebody making a random allegation.

But it's still early.........

FarPoint

(12,472 posts)
61. I didn't believe it for one second
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:36 PM
Nov 2018

Tried to encourage folks to wait for the rest if the details, what Michael had to say ..

calimary

(81,565 posts)
80. My husband was on it almost immediately. He said "rat-fucking" as soon as he heard.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:16 PM
Nov 2018

And “sounds like he’s being smeared.”
And then he said “Roger Stone or somebody?”

I think he’s right. And I wouldn’t be a bit surprised. This is the kind of thing Roy Cohn would be proud of. This is the kind of thing kkkarl rove and lee atwater would be proud of. This sounds like the fantasy dreams of the average College republi-CONS would be proud of.

One INPORTANT thing to remember here, always. These assholes will stop at NOTHING. NOTHING is too icky, too stinky, too slimy, too underhanded, or too criminal not to be attempted.

Volaris

(10,278 posts)
89. This is why I make myself wait 36 news-hours before letting myself come to a conclusion
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:58 PM
Nov 2018

IF this was a ratfucking, somebody is gonna be in a WHOLE WORLD of hurt (as this setup actually got an innocent person arrested).

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
2. This little creep should be in jail for the fake accusation against Mueller. I Hope Avenatti gets
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:06 AM
Nov 2018

the dirt bag.

Sugarcoated

(7,736 posts)
103. Is there proof or a link that they were behind the story
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 04:40 PM
Nov 2018

or had something to do with setting Avenatti up?

groundloop

(11,530 posts)
87. ANYONE who claims Matthew Whitaker has a 'stellar track record' is full of shit
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:38 PM
Nov 2018

Surefire Intelligence
?

@SurefireIntel
Nov 9
More
We have conducted a full review of Acting Attorney-General Matthew Whitaker’s background. We have determined that he has a stellar track record and admirable moral fabric.

We look forward to seeing him succeed in his new position.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
7. I'm leaning on the side of the LAPD and the gov't in this case.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:22 AM
Nov 2018

Avenatti got arrested by police, charged by prosecutors, and went before a judge that bonded him out. All that doesn't happen because of rumors or a whisper campaign.

Wohl tried to cast a cloud of innuendo with Mueller, and those accusations fell apart within seconds. The charges against Avenatti are apparently based on actual evidence, and Avenatti was physically there at the time.

I have trouble believing that the most incompetent criminal ever (Wohl) all of a sudden becomes a criminal mastermind with the perfect plan just a week after his first attempt fell apart spectacularly.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
11. You apparently aren't aware of the "mandatory arrest" policy that is part of the VAW act.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:33 AM
Nov 2018

The violence against women act encourages mandatory arrests in all reports of domestic violence and there is no need for an officer to determine if a violent act actually occurred. States who want certain grants have to adhere to that standard.

I personally know someone who was wrongfully accused of domestic violence and had to spend a night in jail and get bonded and all that. Within a week, the accuser admitted to lying about it and charges were dropped and he was even able to get it expunged from his record.

All someone needs to do is just say he did it and then an officer HAS to make an arrest.

Lucky Luciano

(11,267 posts)
21. Yes...a result of OJ killing his ex.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:41 AM
Nov 2018

A friend of mine dated a crazy woman. She was really cool to hang with, but had the most explosive temper I’ve ever seen. One day they got into a fight and she eventually started scratching him and punching him...then she took a scissors to a bunch of $3000 suits he owned...then the cops came and he was arrested.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
25. Yea, I mean, I think its a good policy because it likely has saved more women.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:44 AM
Nov 2018

But like most things, there is a downside and innocent people spending a night in jail just because of an accusation and nothing more is the downside.

John1956PA

(2,667 posts)
24. +1
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:44 AM
Nov 2018

In his initial statement after his release, Avenati praised the LAPD for doing its job. Apparently, the police were faced with (a) an accusation that Avenatti had inflicted abuse, and (b) evidence of injuries sustained by the accuser. In that circumstance, the police had no choice but to arrest Avenatti. I hope that this turns out to be a false accusation and that Avenatti is cleared.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
29. There doesn't even have to be evidence of injury.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:47 AM
Nov 2018

My friend that I was talking about in my previous post was arrested because she claimed that he threw a 16 ounce bottle of soda at her. She had no injuries at all.

FBaggins

(26,783 posts)
121. That doesn't mean that he won't be
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 10:44 AM
Nov 2018

He was released on $50k bond - which means that the authorities aren't done with him. I'm not an expert on domestic violence cases, but if (as reported) police allowed her to get her things out of his apartment, then there wouldn't be a need (assuming he actually assaulted her) to keep him in custody pending an arraignment.

Azathoth

(4,611 posts)
96. This is blatantly incorrect
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:14 PM
Nov 2018

Officers MUST have probable cause to make an arrest -- anything less is unconstitutional. If Avenatti got arrested, officers believed there was probable cause.

But this is irrelevant because mandatory arrest policies are designed to ensure an arrest when the victim refuses to press charges. It's a common scenario: police get a domestic violence call, they show up, woman comes out with a black eye and broken nose and tells the cops she fell down the stairs as the husband watches her from the doorway. However, if police come to a call and a bruised and crying woman tells them she's been hit and wants to press charges, the husband gets arrested regardless of mandatory arrest laws. Avenatti's in the latter category.

Ilsa

(61,710 posts)
118. Thank you for explaining all of that.
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 09:49 AM
Nov 2018

It wasn't something I was very well acquainted with. It explains away any doubts I might have had, which were thin to begin with.

I hope Avanatti nails the little prick.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
18. So did his client, Stormy Daniels. She was set up.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:39 AM
Nov 2018

Charges were dismissed.

Let's get the facts before judging.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
27. At the super technical level, Stormy Daniels did violate the law.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:47 AM
Nov 2018

The law is on the books and has not been repealed. The fact that the law has never, ever been prosecuted, and the communications between the Police officers involved, weighed on the Prosecutors decision to dismiss the charges.

She was arrested for political reasons by the officers involved, but at the technical level, they did find a law that she violated to arrest her. She wasn't framed, nobody falsely accused her, nothing similar to what Avenatti is alleging happened to him.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
35. At a super technical level, they set her up
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:54 AM
Nov 2018

They were there waiting for her. They arrested her for doing what every other stripper does there, then charges were dropped. It was a political hit job.

We don't know what happened with Avenatti yet, but it appears any claim of DV gets you arrested.

Can we please wait for facts before Frankening this man?

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
67. They knew she would be there, and they wanted to arrest her.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:42 PM
Nov 2018

And they knew she’d be doing normal stripper stuff, which technically violated the law. So, they made sure they were there, they were aware of the law, they observed her violating it, and they arrested her for it.

It was a bullshit arrest, but they didn’t make up the violation out of thin air. The prosecutor wasn’t involved, and did the right thing by dropping the case.

USALiberal

(10,877 posts)
77. Wow, really, they dropped the charges immediately because it was....
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:10 PM
Nov 2018

Asshole cops selectivly going after her.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
94. That's true. They arrested Stormy, but none of the other employees there that were doing the same
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:08 PM
Nov 2018

thing.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
114. She didn't violate the law because it didn't pertain to her
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 09:10 AM
Nov 2018

She was just a guest performer.

"I've determined that these crimes were not committed, based on the fact that Ms. Clifford has not made regular appearances at this establishment as required under the law," Columbus City Attorney Zach Klein said in a statement after reviewing the case.

Daniels had planned to plead not guilty to the three misdemeanor charges, her attorney, Michael Avenatti, tweeted.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/07/12/politics/stormy-daniels-arrested-in-ohio/index.html

Farmer-Rick

(10,225 posts)
40. Avenatti got arrested by police, charged by prosecutors, and went before a judge that bonded him
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:02 PM
Nov 2018

All of that happens to a lot of innocent people every day.

Actually all that happens on a regular bases to people who are later found to be not guilty. More than 30% of people who get bail are found Not guilty or charges are dropped. And another 30% of those found guilty on plea bargains with bail are convictions of innocent people. So yeah, all that happens to innocent people everyday.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
46. My reason for stating that was to highlight the differences between Avenatti's case and the
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:14 PM
Nov 2018

fraudulent case against Mueller. Against Mueller, it was supposed to be about some nebulous, yet undefined encounter in the distant past. With Avenatti, he was physically present. The victim was physically there, and she had wounds and markings indicative of an assault.

Now, could a random person have gotten beaten up and walked over to Avenatti's and accused him of doing it? Sure. But to accuse Wohl of doing it, despite it being so different a crime, and while he's under investigation (and probably being monitored), is a step too far without any evidence.

Farmer-Rick

(10,225 posts)
59. Yeah, but the accusation is just too convenient for Trump
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:34 PM
Nov 2018

And from reports I haven't seen any injuries, shust talk of injuries. She was supposedly wearing sunglasses to hide unidentified injuries.

It's just too convenient. Reminds me of the Gary Hart set up.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
43. Are you kidding me?
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:08 PM
Nov 2018

The police HAD to arrest him. Meanwhile, zero evidence, and an anonymous person. And let's not forget who is taking credit for it. This was a set up. I'd bet a paycheck on it.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
57. Wohl lost his credibility instantly with the Mueller scam. There is zero reason to ever believe him
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:29 PM
Nov 2018

How is that not obvious?

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
63. Evidently you've never been accused of anything before.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:37 PM
Nov 2018

Don't think cops can't be bribed or are real Magats. Look how many people get exonerated because of false accusations. There are some good cops but money talks.

George II

(67,782 posts)
65. When there are accusations of domestic abuse the police HAVE to arrest the accused....
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:40 PM
Nov 2018

....they don't have a choice even if they know that it didn't happen. No other option, regardless of how thin or sketchy the accusation is.

And the prosecutors have to proceed.

I wonder if Avenatti even knows who his "accuser" is?

Mopar151

(10,006 posts)
101. According to TMZ's update(!)
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 03:51 PM
Nov 2018

The two Ex-Mrs. Avenatti's have been contacted. Neither one was within miles. #1 has had regular contact, because daughters. #2, who was alleged to be the "victim" in early reports, has, not, in fact seen him for months.

On a related note: The "woman scorned" scenario is a major go-to for the bump-stock gunners - It's their primary rationalisation for nixing any sort of domestic violence component to gun safety.
They gots ta have the guns, to protect the wimmins. The same wimmins who want to take their guns, so as to not be protected by the guns (owner).

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
102. TMZ reported yesterday that the woman in the incident was not his wife.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 04:22 PM
Nov 2018

4:50 PM PT -- Law enforcement sources tell TMZ, the LAPD has already obtained an emergency protective order, prohibiting Avenatti from going near the alleged victim. We're told they will serve him with the legal docs before he's released from custody. We're told he will be released on $50,000 bail.

4:10 PM PT -- We were initially told by our sources the alleged victim was Avenatti's estranged wife. We now know it was not. The incident involved a different woman.

Native

(5,943 posts)
109. Ken Olin tweeted that since OJ...
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 08:04 AM
Nov 2018

"Just want to say we should all proceed cautiously before condemning @MichaelAvenatti. In LA if someone calls 911 and claims domestic abuse it is common practice to bring the accused in. After OJ law enforcement in the city is extremely vigilant when it comes to this issue." ~Olin

And this tweet by Avenatti... "There is a lot of inaccurate reporting out there. For example, (1) I have NOT been charged with anything, let alone a felony; (2) Lisa wasn't even with me Tues; etc. Numerous other "facts" being reported are completely bogus. Why is TMZ's news "standard" the new standard?"

And Wohl is a twenty-something idiot.

Tarc

(10,478 posts)
13. That's nice, but, if we're gong to take sexual assault seriously, we have to be equal about it
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:35 AM
Nov 2018

Conservatives are the ones who bang secretaries and serve divorce papers to wives in the hospital, while finger-pointing "Thou shalt not!" at Bill Clinton in the 90s.

We have to call out our own when things like this pop up, and let the investigation run its course.

Tarc

(10,478 posts)
48. Well, no. You investigate it seriously first.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:14 PM
Nov 2018

Just like the Mueller mess that that fake Surefire tried to pull. Take it seriously initially, then if it falls a part, then root out the ratfuckery.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
44. Let me know when the woman comes forward
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:10 PM
Nov 2018

Then I'll take it seriously. I'm not even asking for evidence. Just a fucking name of a person willing to swear out a police report (perjury if she lies). I don't think that's asking a lot considering who is taking credit for this.

Tarc

(10,478 posts)
50. Since when do we ask for a woman's name to be published in cases like this?
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:15 PM
Nov 2018

Usually cases of assault, domestic violence, etc...are treated confidentially.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
52. Republicans and their little Jacob Wohl are behind it. I want her name and everything about her
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:23 PM
Nov 2018

dating back to the Mayflower.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
78. When the turds taking credit for the takedown
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:11 PM
Nov 2018

are the same turds who tried to set up Mueller. Take it up with them.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
14. Surefire is after Mueller too.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:36 AM
Nov 2018
https://www.businessinsider.com/jacob-wohl-made-fake-surefire-intelligence-spreading-lies-on-mueller-2018-10

The special counsel Robert Mueller's office has asked the FBI to investigate what's said to be a plot linked to the GOP activists Jack Burkman and Jacob Wohl to pay women large sums of money to lie about having been sexually harassed by Mueller.

The special counsel's office was also contacted by several reporters who were told by a woman identifying herself as Lorraine Parsons that a man working for an agency called Surefire Intelligence and Burkman offered her about $20,000 "to make accusations of sexual misconduct and workplace harassment against Robert Mueller," according to a copy of the email obtained by Business Insider.

It's unclear whether the woman's story is entirely factual. Scott Stedman, a freelance journalist who first reported on the scheme, said that after Parsons contacted him, "she wouldn't get on the phone" to discuss her claims and "lied about journalists she was working with."

The Atlantic followed up on Stedman's reporting on Tuesday, detailing another instance in which a man named Simon Frick, who said he worked for Surefire Intelligence, contacted Jennifer Taub, a Vermont Law School professor, and asked her how much money she would want in exchange for discussing her "past encounters" with Mueller. Taub told The Atlantic she had never met Mueller....more

LakeArenal

(28,863 posts)
15. Repukes win if we fall out over this.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:37 AM
Nov 2018

Why don’t we know who is making these claims since both women he’s married say he’s not an abuser? I guess president hopefuls can’t run him out with a letter.

Shades of Repuke fake noose. Around Franken, Mueller and Avenatti.

 

PeeJ52

(1,588 posts)
19. All it takes is for a person to be willing to lie...
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:41 AM
Nov 2018

and get a few bruises on her face. Wohl has had people willing to do more. I doubt they would even release the name of the accuser in a case like this. It's really odd that Surefire would tweet about it too. That's like a confession. How would they have anything to do with a domestic violence incident unless they set it up. If they did set it up, it would be fraud and definite jail time. I can't understand why they are not in jail now... What's up with that? Can anyone create a fake company with fake people on the internet?

homegirl

(1,436 posts)
31. Allways remember....
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:50 AM
Nov 2018

how loud and long the Republicans said "innocent until proven guilty" about Beer Boy Kavanaugh.
Throw it back at them!

Mike Nelson

(9,978 posts)
32. I thought...
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:53 AM
Nov 2018

… something wasn't kosher. Wife, not wife, TMZ... and the report about his wife yelling stuff outside, for others to hear...

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
36. It appears Vermont Democrats have cancelled an appearance by Avenatti and returned money.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:58 AM
Nov 2018

"The Vermont Democratic Party announced late Wednesday that it was canceling events scheduled with Avenatti in light of his arrest."

“The Vermont Democratic Party has canceled Mr. Avenatti’s forthcoming scheduled appearances in Vermont, and will be refunding all ticket sales,” state party spokesman R. Christopher Di Mezzo said in a statement.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/15/michael-avenatti-arrested-suspicion-domestic-violence/?utm_term=.f29af8148432

healthnut7

(249 posts)
38. Nope!
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:01 PM
Nov 2018

As soon as I heard it I was positive it smelled like some woman was paid to report this. Avenatti is too smart to get caught up in that, plus the fact that TMZ was reporting it and they are connected to Rupert Murdock and David Pecker. He is a problem for Trump and the R's and their go to thing is to use tactics like this!! I wish Al Franklin would have fought it.

ScratchCat

(2,017 posts)
45. The charge is domestic violence
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:11 PM
Nov 2018

and not simple assault. Therefore, the woman must be someone he knows and has a "relationship" of some sorts with and cohabitates with. Otherwise, an allegation by her would be simple assault and not domestic violence. I certainly want to hear the story, but its inconceivable that some right wing idiot "paid" his girlfriend to claim he hit her as part of some campaign to discredit him. Why would his gf agree?

Charlotte Little

(658 posts)
98. It is entirely possible
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 03:12 PM
Nov 2018

that Avenatti may have a new fling he's been seeing who was a set up. People will do all sorts of things for money and if she (whoever she is) was paid enough and needed the money enough, this does not seem outside the realm of possibility. That would explain the report of a woman on a phone yelling outside his place something along the lines of "how could you do this to me," etc. - which just seems way too tabloid convenient (if the reporting is correct).

It all stinks, and given that BOTH of his ex wives are coming to his defense, he has no past record of any assault or DV, and given Wohl's tweet, it wouldn't be beyond the pale that this was rat-fucking 101.

P.S. I am NOT an Avenatti fan.

True Blue American

(17,995 posts)
66. I had a Republican friend
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:40 PM
Nov 2018

Post Jacob’s picture several months ago saying she really liked that clean cut guy. Listen to him all the time!

Not heard that lately.

Texin

(2,600 posts)
64. If it were not for what happened with Franken, I might view this more credibly.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:38 PM
Nov 2018

As it is, I was skeptical when I first heard this and now because of the right crowing about this (and it coming just a little over a week after the Blue Wave), I'm more than skeptical. I'm jaundiced by the continuous stream of lies emanating from sources that all look to be tRump bots or fake "sources".

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
70. They could do this to anyone - Adam Schiff for example.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:56 PM
Nov 2018

California. Mandatory arrest law.

All they need is someone willing to make an accusation, for money.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
71. Yeah, I'll just wait until the LAPD and the prosecuters present their case.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:00 PM
Nov 2018

I have no reason to believe anyone in this story is credible. Taking credit for an arrest that you had nothing to do with isn't a stretch for a company with a fake ceo, fake employees, and clients. At this point, anything from Avenatti's or Wohl's twitter account is just noise until a thorough investigation takes place.

ananda

(28,891 posts)
72. I believed the wife who said he never hit her.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:01 PM
Nov 2018

It smelled like a setup from the getgo!

Same as Al Franken's also smelled of
a Roger Stone setup.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
79. We flat out don't know one way or the other.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:14 PM
Nov 2018

Surefire intelligence is a bunch of ratfuckers, but that doesn't mean this is true or false.

I do know this that Republicans have a tendency to use Goebbels tactics of portraying their own atrocities onto their foes.

Oneironaut

(5,538 posts)
86. I don't care if Avenatti is guilty or not.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:35 PM
Nov 2018

A - He’s a sleazeball who is not suitable for any Democratic leadership positions in a sane world.

B - Everything about him is a media circus, just like Trump. If it’s not this, it will always be something.

Our party doesn’t need another Trump to fight Trump. We deserve better. Avenatti should fight this out on his own time, and Democrats should stop treating him with any respect.

marble falls

(57,425 posts)
90. Bullshit. He's not after any sort of political leadership position. The circus is RW. He's not ...
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:58 PM
Nov 2018

any sort of Trump by any imagination.

progressoid

(50,011 posts)
104. He's considering a run in 2020
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 06:49 PM
Nov 2018
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/29/michael-avenatti-2020-election-campaign-944994

Avenatti quietly builds 2020 machine

With the help of a group of veteran Democratic advisers, the attorney for Stormy Daniels is deep into presidential campaign planning.
By NATASHA KORECKI 10/29/2018 05:02 AM EDT


LOS ANGELES — Michael Avenatti has assembled a team of Democratic political veterans who are helping him coordinate meetings with donors, connect with national and state party officials, craft messaging and build out a digital fundraising apparatus designed to enable a 2020 presidential bid.

Avenatti’s already long prospects suffered a blow Thursday after he was quoted in Time magazine as saying the Democratic presidential nominee who will battle President Donald Trump “better be a white male” — remarks he contends were taken out of context. The same day, the Senate Judiciary Committee referred Avenatti and his client Julie Swetnick to the Justice Department for an investigation over accusations she leveled last month against Brett Kavanaugh, then a Supreme Court nominee.

But the Los Angeles-based attorney most famous for representing porn actress Stormy Daniels fought back aggressively against Time magazine and Grassley, and said Sunday he intends to move forward in his preparations with a team of 12 core political advisers, some on an informal or part-time basis.

Doodley

(9,163 posts)
91. You should care if dirty tricks are used to discredit opposition to the worst president in history.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:59 PM
Nov 2018

Oneironaut

(5,538 posts)
97. I do, but I seriously doubt defending Avenatti is a hill Democrats want to die on.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:25 PM
Nov 2018

He can and should fight for himself, distanced from the Democratic Party. I never liked him, and don’t trust him.

Azathoth

(4,611 posts)
92. I'd love to hear how right-wing incompetents managed to stage all this
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:02 PM
Nov 2018

Seems to me there's a big difference between paying a woman to sign a false affidavit and staging an entire domestic abuse incident with the LAPD.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,498 posts)
113. Does it make a rat's ass what we think or what's on Twitter?
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 09:01 AM
Nov 2018

Let our normal system of justice work its way through this case.......

Let's all spend our mental and emotional energy concerned with the things that ail our nation and the world.....

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
115. Cenk went over this last night
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 09:30 AM
Nov 2018

We don't know until it's over but the source is one of those right wing nuts who has a history of making stuff up. Also, a couple of his former wives have come forward to say nothing like this ever happened with them and they doubt it completely.

Oppaloopa

(867 posts)
116. What a corrupt police department this is. They let Danny Masterson from that 70's show
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 09:33 AM
Nov 2018

With evidence of several rapes walk around free.

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