AOC is not who you may think she is...

[angrychair]

Here is what Ocasio-Cortez said to activists:
Should Leader Pelosi become the next Speaker of the House, we need to tell her that we’ve got her back in showing and pursuing the most progressive energy agenda that this country has ever seen.

And

One of the things I admire so much about Leader Pelosi is that she comes from a space of activism and organizing. And so I think that she really appreciates civic engagement. What I’m here to do is to support the folks who are here. …

She supports Pelosi’s bid for Speaker. AOC believes in a progressive agenda, just like Pelosi.
Be proud of these new leaders and support them. They are the future of our Party. We need everyone. Stop buying the bullshit from rightwing media sources.

Sorry it’s Twitter but it’s a good read if you can (follow the whole thread):

Link to tweet

?s=21

[demmiblue]

1. ...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11429374

[angrychair]

2. Good...

I try looking but I miss stuff...thanks!

[demmiblue]

4. No problem.

I search before I post, but sometimes miss things as well (especially tweet-related).

Some people can't even bother to look halfway down the page.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

10. There's no problem posting it again.

We ain’t paying by the pixels.

Plus yours was more succinct.

KandR

[FSogol]

3. "liberals should stop believing what conservatives say liberals believe."

[LakeArenal]

20. Meghan McCain is always telling me what I believe.

She also gives plenty advice on how we run our campaigns and platform.

We call her McLump

[Stellar]

43. Meghan McCain telling 'liberal' how they should run for office.

She (and other Conservatives) always telling Dems that they shouldn't run too far to the left. But then they have all of those bat-shit crazy candidates running way over to the right. What's up with that?

[LakeArenal]

46. They are corrupt

[bigbrother05]

60. They want to pick their opponents like they pick the voters

If the GOP can dictate what is allowed in a campaign and who is allowed to cast a vote, they have a decent chance of winning.

The funny thing is that even when they get away with that kind of control, their policies and attitudes still make them vulnerable to any district that isn't 75% brain dead.

[Stellar]

74. Amen to that! nt.

[nykym]

5. We need to

stop letting repugs and conservs create the narrative.
We should correct their false narrative with our own and change the direction.
When they say Entitlements we should counter with earned benefits and so on.

Stop trying to defend there buzz words, create our own and correct anyone who uses their talking points.

[angrychair]

6. +99999999999999999999

I agree

[aggiesal]

31. Completely agree ...

When I hear someone tell me about "Regulations",
I say "Don't you mean PROTECTIONS?"

One person I know, keeps saying "There are too many regulations".
Again, I counter " Don't you mean, that there are to many protections? The more the merrier."

[Tom Rinaldo]

7. K&R

I suspect that some people here have a hard time accepting that she began her rise in politics by organizing for Bernie Sanders. Get over it. Others got their rise by organizing for Hillary Clinton. It's great that they got involved, it's great that they stayed active, it's great that so many of our future leaders got elected to Congress in 2018. AOC is a strong Democratic Latina voice emerging from a younger generation. She, and others like her, are to be celebrated.

[Nictuku]

8. Thank You!

Some people here at DU jump on anything they can to diss Bernie Sanders, or anyone who had anything to do with him.

I'm sick of it. It turns me waaaaaay off to even continue to read here. Talk about a circular shooting gallery.

We need every damn Senator who caucuses with the Democrats. We will even need some Republicans (one can hope)

I was a Bernie Supporter, but (OMG) I voted for Hillary in 2016 Presidential election. But I feel insulted every time I see another huge as thread of why Bernie is so awful.

I also support Pelosi for Speaker. We need her experience in the House, especially for the term that is coming up.

For 2020: I really really really hope that neither Bernie or Hillary decides to run. Clearly both of them cause a huge split within the Democratic party. We don't need that. Divided we fall.

I've never posted anything whatsoever against Hillary, but boy have I read dozens (maybe hundreds) against Bernie.

I'm telling you, it turns me off.

[Autumn]

12. She was an organizer for Bernie, so some consider her tainted.

Last edited Thu Nov 15, 2018, 05:53 PM - Edit history (1)

[NurseJackie]

38. Lord.

Bernie endorsed her, so some consider her tainted.

The old saying is "people are judged by the company they keep" (not who endorses them) but leaving that axiom aside for a moment... I think her critics are smarter and more reflective and more analytical than you're giving them credit for. Fair-minded and rational people here are perfectly capable of (and appear to have so done) judging someone based on their words and deeds, their mistakes, their failures, their missteps. Also based on whether or not someone is humble and learns from their mistakes and how/if they turn those experiences into success. What I'm trying to point out is that not everything in the world circles back to Bernie and it appears to me that she's being evaluated and measured based on her own merits, not his. That's all.

[George II]

51. I wonder why he never endorsed Sharice Davids (indeed, he campaigned against her in the primary)?

[NurseJackie]

54. It's not as if he was opposed to last-minute eleventh-hour endorsements.

Personally I think it's a bit strange because Sharice Davids is one of the most exciting and inspirational and motivating candidates to come along in a long time. I'm so very impressed with her and the way she approached her campaign, and how she's handled her victory. She's humble and goes forward into the job with humility and giving the JOB all the respect and attention it deserves. She's doesn't seek attention by courting controversy.

All I'm trying to say here is that I really-really like her. I see great things in her future. Kansas is lucky to have her, and the entire freshmen class of the House is lucky to have her as a role model.

[sheshe2]

70. The post...

The post you responded to was edited.

[NurseJackie]

71. Thanks. That's okay. Edited or not, my points remain valid. Besides...

The post you responded to was edited.

Thanks. That's okay. Edited or not, the path taken and the accusation trying to make it "about Bernie" still hangs in the air and my response remain valid.

[sheshe2]

72. True.

Just wanted to give you a heads up.

[NurseJackie]

73. I appreciate it.

[sheshe2]

75. You are welcome!

[melman]

50. Also that picture

You know the one.

THAT PICTURE!

[Autumn]

56. Yes THE picture that proves she's not fit because .. Relationship!!!!

We need to impeach her!

SARCASM! just in case.

[seaglass]

65. Bernie didn't endorse her. n/t

[Autumn]

67. Sorry I misspoke. Obama endorsed her. She was an organizer for Bernie

[seaglass]

68. Yes. OR endorsed her though. n/t

[mac56]

22. THIS

[Power 2 the People]

25. +1

Hopefully things change as we get closer to 2020.

[LiberalLovinLug]

29. Thankyou for saying this

Its like watching us do the GOPs dirty work. And you're right, even candidates that he has endorsed or worked with get tarred with this irrational hatred. Bernie is supposed to be granted the same respect as official Ds as far as DU rules, and I am frankly flabbergasted at how much some get away with bad-mouthing him. He came in second behind Biden, just recently, in Democrats support for running if he did. Even if someone, for reasons I can only guess, despise the man, at least hold your tongue while he energizes and attracts new voters.

I also think Bernie or Hillary should not run. Same reason I think Pelosi should retire at some point soon. Maybe you are right that this is not the best time though, but thats for another thread. We need to show the American public that we are the party of the future. We are. But saying it and looking like it are two different things.

[vsrazdem]

35. +

[Eric J in MN]

9. AOC isn't saying she'll definitely vote

...for Pelosi no matter who (if anyone) runs against her.

[Autumn]

11. Did she say she wouldn't? nt

[Eric J in MN]

13. Not recently but months ago

...she was asked in an interview if she’ll vote for Pelosi and said she’d like to see other choices.

[Autumn]

23. I doubt she had yet met Pelosi.

[ehrnst]

63. I can't imagine that she didn't know much about Pelosi.(nt)

[kcr]

14. Nothing shows support like a good, old fashioned support sit-in

Doesn't everyone know about those? Why is she so misunderstood?

[tonedevil]

24. Nancy Pelosi called...

and said you should try to understand what you are talking about before you spout off like a little tea pot:
Nancy Pelosi
?
Verified account

@NancyPelosi
Nov 13
More
We welcome the presence of these activists, and we strongly urge the Capitol Police to allow them to continue to organize and participate in our democracy.

Link to tweet

[klook]

26. Nice! Thanks.

Progressive activism is one of Democrats' core values.

[tonedevil]

27. I agree...

and it seems Leader(soon to be Speaker) Pelosi does too.

[kcr]

30. Heh. You really expected she'd throw them out?

Have them arrested? This is exactly how I expect someone with experience would handle this. Nancy Pelosi knows exactly what she's doing and it's why she isn't going anywhere. Sorry.

[tonedevil]

32. She welcomed them...

you shit on them. You are not very good at following her lead. I know she isn't going anywhere and I'm not sorry.

[kcr]

34. I did not shit on them.

In fact, I think it shits on them to minimize their efforts by refusing to acknowledge their protest to protect Ocasio Cortez. A sit-in is a protest. But this is nothing new. She's always so misunderstood. She never means what she says, or her actions are never interpreted the right way. And now, a protest isn't really a protest. it was support! If I'd been at that sit-in, I would have been pissed.

[tonedevil]

36. OK /nt

[George II]

55. I wonder if Pelosi knew in advance that they were going to hold the sit-in. I doubt it...

....if they called to tell her about it she probably would have told them that what the were demonstrating for had already been decided by Pelosi five days earlier and the wheels were already in motion.

[tonedevil]

61. You wonder if Pelosi...

knew in advance, meaning there is a 50/50 chance that she did. Then you take your amazing prognostication skills to new heights with evidence free speculation of what soon-to-be Speaker Pelosi would have told them. Truly you have no need of other people you can clearly make up whole conversations with zero outside input. I'll leave you to your company.

[George II]

62. Not a 50/50 chance that she did. If she did, it's a 100% chance, if she didn't it's 0% chance....

....as for your other snarky comment - do you know what "probably" means? That means it's not definite but possible.

However, if the conversation DID happen and the subject of the committee came up (since it was a major reason for the sit-in), it's a good bet that Pelosi mentioned that she'd already decided (almost a week earlier) to reinstate the committee. It wasn't a classified secret.

[tonedevil]

66. Speculation...

pure and simple. Who cares what the Nancy Peolsi in your head might have said?

[Autumn]

42. I was impressed with AOC going to the protest to show a group that had endorsed her

that she was still with them and to tell them they needed to show Nancy that they had her back if she was elected Speaker. Good for AOC and Nancy.

[George II]

57. She is (or was, they've removed that page from their website) on the Board of Justice Democrats.

[Hortensis]

59. It gave them all a chance to actually MEET Nancy and

others. Congresswoman-elect Ocasio's own change in attitude suggested in this tweet is what I've hoped would start happening when she actually became acquainted with our house leaders. We'll see how she comes along. Just the beginning of a big, big learning curve.

[malthaussen]

15. Ah, that's the link I was looking for...

... thanks.

-- Mal

[iluvtennis]

16. Thanks for this post...glad to see that this anti Pelosi stuff was conservative bogus news

[malthaussen]

17. Democrats seriously need to stop letting the GOP shape the narrative.

Firstly, it validates their bullshit, and secondly, makes the Democrats turn on each other.

-- Mal

[watoos]

19. Ha, you posted before I got my post out.

I could not agree with you more.

[Skidmore]

58. This......get out there and

correct the narrative. Twitter, locl ppers, Facebook etc.

[watoos]

18. Bah Humbug to threads like this,

Making a mountain out of a mole hill. That there is controversy over Nancy Pelosi becoming the next Speaker is a right wing talking point. The right is afraid of Pelosi. Go Get em Nancy.

[IronLionZion]

21. Who are you going to believe? Republicans or your own lying eyes and ears?

I hate how liberals are so easily divided by complete BS from conservatives.

[TwistOneUp]

28. Now AOC says sbe "supports" Pelosi

Clearly, AOC is new and has not yet "concretized" her ppatform. First she says Pelosi has to go, now she supports her.

AOC's opinions should be regarded with some skepticism...

[tonedevil]

33. When did she say...

Pelosi has to go? Link or go home.

[Autumn]

41. We will be waiting a hell of a long time for that link.

[TwistOneUp]

45. You are wrong. nt

[Autumn]

52. I think she's figured out who is progressive and who isn't and it isn't the

group wanting Nancys gone. She told them at the protest they needed to show Nancy they had her back. Does that sound like she wants her gone?

Link to tweet

[TwistOneUp]

64. Don't change the subject.

My whole point was that she has changed her mind, which is clear.

[Autumn]

69. No, your point was that AOC wanted Pelosi gone.

[TwistOneUp]

44. The link

here

"Though many of the candidates lost, a handful of incoming members, including Jason Crow of Colorado, Jahana Hayes of Connecticut and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, have called for a new generation of leadership. "

[Autumn]

47. Got a link to AOC saying that Nancy needed to go?

An article lumping her in with other people and saying that they have called for new leadership isn't proof of her saying that. I have not found anything like that since she was elected.

Saying months ago that she would like to see different choices during a campaign before she's even elected is not saying Nancy needs to go. That's looking at options.

[tonedevil]

49. That is a very weak tea...

Your opening salvo:

First she says Pelosi has to go, now she supports her.

All that you have produced an article that has no quotes from Ocasio-Cortez saying she won't support Pelosi.

[Autumn]

40. When did AOC say Pelosi had to go? Got a link? Cause I'm calling Bullshit

on that.

[HootieMcBoob]

37. Thank You

[ismnotwasm]

39. She is exactly who I think she is

A very junior member of Congress who has to deal with populist expectations—some of them her own-while learning and doing the actual work of a Representative. She will make mistakes. She will do things right. She has potential to be a change agent. The operative word being potential. I hope she understands this.

My Rep is also a Bernie endorsed person, who fights all the fucking time for immigrants and immigrant rights. She is fearless. She fiercely advocates. She wins my heart right there, no matter I don’t agree with every single thing.

AOC is not my Rep. Kinda tired of hearing about her. I do look forward to seeing her in action in Congress.

[Silver1]

48. Thank you for posting this.

It cuts through so much confusion. I feel really good about the energy of the newly elected Democrats. And I think there is a very good chance they'll bring many working people on board for 2020.

Great response from Pelosi about climate change. This is an absolutely urgent issue.

[wasupaloopa]

53. If you live anywhere near San Francisco like I do you know why

Nancy Pelosi is reelected every two years. And if you paid attention to what she did the last time she was Speaker you would know why she should be Speaker again.

We don’t need a freshman rep like AOC to tell us what Pelosi’s positives are.

[GWC58]

76. This is the same kind of shit

Hillary has put up with for OVER 30+ years. Please people stop believing these wingnuts. I can see why rethugs don’t like Nancy. Why are we falling for this crap? Stop doing it, please!