Trump will never see a day in jail

[Cyrano]

Nor will any other future Republican American president. And the reason is simple. Democrats will worry about a Dem president being jailed the next time the Republicans control the house and senate, -- jailed for any reason, made up, or real.

Republicans don't worry about such niceties. They tried their best to throw Clinton out of office, and then try him for perjury or whatever, and then "lock him up." We Dems don't inhabit the same moral planet as that on which Republicans live.

So the bottom line is that Dems will never try to prosecute Trump for whatever crimes Mueller uncovers, because they fear future retaliation.

We live in a country with two sets of rules: Republicans can do whatever they want to do; Democrats can't.

Disagree with the general, overall picture I've laid out here? Okay. Please state your view of the current reality in America.

[YessirAtsaFact]

1. Negative Nancy Post

Read and thread trashed

[Cyrano]

9. Could you please explain what you're talking about?

I really don't understand what you've said and I'm not trying to be difficult. But I really don't understand your post. Could you please be more specific?

[A HERETIC I AM]

13. Since Cyrano "Trashed" the thread, he's not likely to respond

But basically, he/she didn't agree with what you said and clicked the "Trash This Thread" button at the bottom of the OP pane.

He can't see the thread anymore in his view of the front page of GD .

[Cyrano]

15. I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't "trash" anything.

The thread is still here.

[renate]

23. I think that reply should have named YessirAtsAFact instead of you

[A HERETIC I AM]

25. Yup. Thanks

[renate]

26. :)

[A HERETIC I AM]

24. I beg your pardon, I have you confused with the poster you responded to earlier

" YessirAtsaFact" is the person who responded to you above.

My apologies for getting the names confused.

[C_U_L8R]

2. That's a lousy excuse for not upholding the law.

[Cyrano]

7. Sorry. "I don't make the rules, I just report them."

That headline is a standard response that professional journalists often quote in reply to what they've stated in print.

And, yes. That "excuse" for not upholding the law sucks. All I can say is move to a planet where "absolute" justice, and "doing the right thing," prevails.

Please Email me when you've found it. I'll join you and we'll have a beer together. Or a joint. Or just sit and talk about living in a truly wonderful place.

[onecaliberal]

3. That about covers it.

The sad thing is republicans will do that either way. Democracy is dead we just don’t realize yet because trump is still there.

[G_j]

4. Once he is out of office,

It’s out of their hands.

[Volaris]

49. Agreed. Unless he finds a way to pardon himself before he no longer has the Office to protect him,

The SDNY is gonna make sure his ass dies in rikers island.

Federal, Not Federal, fuck..COUNTY LOCKUP....doesn't matter. He's gonna die in jail now and I don't think there's a damn thing he can do about it.

[mitch96]

55. "Once he is out of office,"

What, oh what will the main stream media do??? Or the late nite talking head talk about?
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[Cyrano]

56. They'll talk of the ruins of a place that was once called America

[Va Lefty]

5. Sadly I agree. Another important fact; rich white men rarely go to prison in U.S.

[Beakybird]

6. Pence will pardon him

But Andrew Cuomo will not. If he is healthy enough to serve time in a year or two, he will go to state prison.

[SWBTATTReg]

11. I think by the time rump may be / or is charged w/ a crime or crimes, it'll be to the point that...

his remaining 2 years plus will be over w/ by the time the courts, appeals, filings, etc. are all done, and we'll have a democratic president in office by then.

[bearsfootball516]

8. Unfortunately, you are correct, and said something a lot of DUers don't want to believe.

And rich/powerful people don't go to jail. They just don't. People lower on the food chain, i.e. Manafort, Gates, Papadopoulous fall on their swords and go instead.

The 2008 crash taught us that. There were so many big names that should have been locked up for life. Instead, they got a slap on the wrist and kept going.

[blueinredohio]

40. I agree with that statement, rich and powerful don't go to jail.

But why even bother with a trial for people lower on the food chain if all they're going to get is two weeks or two months in jail. That's no punishment and a big waste of taxpayer money.

[Hoyt]

10. Don't believe a prosecutor would ever find a jury that would not include at least one

ignorant white wing racist who will hang the jury if necessary to protect trump.

As you mention, I do think fear of retaliation is possible, although trump's case is so different from anything one can imagine. It's one thing to fear retaliation for actions taken in office that are more of a policy matter. It's another to screw with elections, go after opponents or journalists, manipulate matters while Prez to profit directly, etc.

[Cyrano]

14. Yep. Out of 12 on a jury, there will always be one MAGA,

or a would-be Klansman, or a would-be neo Nazi, or a total fool who believes that the Earth is flat, or someone who lacks the ability to grasp the horrible reality and ignorance of Trump. Or someone who just doesn't understand the nature of evil.

[NurseJackie]

12. ...

[FreepFryer]

16. Meh. Not. Kthxbai.nt

[MineralMan]

17. I'm quite certain you're right about that.

One way or another, he's going to skate on it all. If he resigns, Pence will pardon him. If he doesn't get elected in 2020, he won't be charged. We're almost certainly not going to try, convict and imprison a former President. The precedent that would set would be very, very dangerous to ever President ever elected in the future.

That's unfortunate, but it's also reality.

[Cyrano]

19. Exactly, MineralMan. You've seen enough to "get it."

As much as I wish this could be changed, it would be the same as asking whatever universal intelligence exists to change human nature. It ain't gonna' happen in our lifetimes. Then again, who knows?

[bluestarone]

18. I for one HOPE your wrong here.

I just gotta hope that if not on a federal charge, then SURELY on a STATE charge!!! BUT you know what i'd settle for the whole family to be OUT OF MONEY and PROPERTY!!!! completely BANKRUPT!!!!

[Turbineguy]

20. It's a bit like letting

Al Capone write the rules.

[JimGinPA]

21. I Think If Treason Is Proven...

(and I believe it will) even the spineless repubs will have no choice but desert him. The pols aren't with him because they like him, but because the fear he'll support a primary from the right. When he's down they'll kick him for sure.

[Vinca]

22. He probably won't see a day in jail as POTUS, but he won't always be POTUS.

In fact, he's really backed into a corner now. The only way he definitely stays out of jail is to remain president. Sure, federal charges can be pardoned, but I think the State of New York is all over his finances and scam foundation. I think it's possible he goes to jail at some point.

[mr_lebowski]

29. So, quick question ... given that he's entitled to Secret Service Protection for life ...

Will he have a couple agents standing outside his cell at all times he's in it? Will they follow him everywhere, like, standing there guarding him in line at the Mess Hall, sunglasses on, wearing their suits, with their communication earpieces in place ... looking around in all directions for 'threats' i.e. making sure he's kept safe from other inmates, or ... how would that work exactly?

[Just a Weirdo]

38. Not. 10 years

Chimp was the last one to receive a lifetime protection before it was changed to max at 10 years.

Obama has 8 years of SS protection.

Magass should not receive any.

[mr_lebowski]

42. Okay, well, we're talking about sending him to the clink in less than 10 years after leaving office

So, same point/question.

At the VERY best we might get his ass on House Arrest somewhere, simply due to the logistics of the SS protection I think ...

[Cyrano]

46. Lol, mr_lebowski

I love that image of "inmate" Trump being protected by SS guys with sunglasses.

This would make an outstanding SNL skit. As with most great concepts, such as yours, the script writes itself.

I don't know how many DUers will read your Secret Service view of events, but anyone with a sense of humor has just gotta' love it.

[Volaris]

50. Actually that might INCREASE his suffering lol ..

If he's got SService protection in the klink, it means the Russian mob can't get to him, and he will live longer incarcerated.
I'm down with paying for that.

[Vinca]

44. Haven't a clue, but an interesting question.

[jrthin]

27. "They" also said we couldn't take the Congress. nt

[bearsfootball516]

30. Who is "they"?

[jrthin]

45. Talking heads, pundits, negative Nancies, and anyone

who needs to focus on what we can't do.

[LakeArenal]

31. Thanks. 🤙🏻

[samnsara]

28. maybe not but i will be happy to see everyone of his family in jail

[libdem4life]

37. At least some of them...much more likely...hopefully...

[JustAnotherGen]

32. Maybe - maybe not

But I do believe 45 will leave this earth sooner rather than later. Not a patriot, not the type of 'man' I respect, vile, evil, and a flat out traitor . . .

Dear Donald - Please Stroke Out.

[Cyrano]

47. Nah. Hope for him to have a long life and

have to see himself as a punchline. Let him see that sane humans regard him as a dangerous, toxic buffoon.

But the reality is that he will never pay attention to reality. He will always see himself as the greatest president in the history of the universe, and he will never "get it."

That's his sickness. That's who he is.

And who gives a fuck, as long as he's out of office and not a position to spread his poison.

[Polly Hennessey]

33. I will be happy to see him and his youngsters financially ruined and pariahs

in the world they inhabit. Of course, they could always move to the Philippines 🇵🇭 or Saudi Arabia 🇸🇦 or Russia 🇷🇺.

[secondwind]

34. Jail is too good for him.. I'd rather he lost all his money....nt

[Just a Weirdo]

35. Bubba hungry

BUBBA WANTS MAGAT FOR DINNER

[DinahMoeHum]

36. Yeah, he'll probably be dead before that. . .

. . .natural or not.

[Rizen]

39. This claim just isn't backed up by facts

Republicans already are trying to put Dems in jail; remember "lock her up" about Clinton? Nothing came of that. And Dems are already investigating Trump and have said they will pursue his tax records, etc when they get in. Furthermore state crimes can't be pardoned and Dems aren't the only group holding Trump accountable.

[MrsCoffee]

41. My money is on the IC. Trump will die in jail.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

43. K&R this "double-standard" has always been obvious to me...

What can we do about it?

[Cyrano]

48. Not much. Perhaps enforcing a true democracy might help

[SHRED]

51. No matter what?

I disagree.
If his crimes are so heinous I predict repubs would be forced to get onboard.

[Cyrano]

52. Politics and "heinous" are rarely connected.

After all, Trump could shoot someone on Fifth Ave and get away with it. Yes, that does sound ridiculous. But after the last two years, are you really ready to argue that he couldn't get away with it?

America has been fucked. And we're just starting to realize how badly we've been fucked by this orange creature who too many believe is some version of the "second coming."

[Kajun Gal]

53. May not see a day in jail, but probably eternity in Hell.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

54. Precedent suggests that you are correct

VP Agnew's plea deal allowed him to plead Nolo Contendere to a minor tax charge. He had to resign, but avoided all jail time and restitution.

Clinton plead guilty to a lesser charge for lying to the Grand Jury. He was disbarred (a non-issue, since it was doubtful he'd ever practice law) and he avoided any jail time.

Nixon was fully pardoned by Ford

Obama went out of his way not to hold war crimes trials.

[elocs]

57. Agreed. It's nice to have fantasies, but it's best to be in touch with reality.

It's simply delusional though to actually believe that Trump will go to prison.
It's like believing that when the Democrats that all of Congress and the White House that these tens of millions of Trump supporters will disappear--well they won't and that's reality as well.