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ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 12:55 AM Nov 2018

Interesting Observation About Thanksgiving Politics

I've always found the family dynamics of discussing politics at Thanksgiving pretty fascinating, but this year I pretty much confirmed a theory I've had for a long time. My family is a very strong Democratic family. Most of my family, going back generations, has been almost exclusively Democrats, with just a few notable exceptions. Our family historian has even told me about old stories passed down of heated discussions about, "that bastard Taft" around the dinner table. So I come from a long line of Democrats. On the flip side of that coin, my wife's side of the family is almost exclusively Republicans, and my wife and I are about the only exceptions.

As most married couples, we had 2 Thanksgiving dinners again this year. Whenever there's a family gathering with my wife's family, we always have to remind ourselves to just keep our mouths shut, smile and nod, and whatever outrageous right-wing talking points get said, just ignore them and move on. Keep quiet and keep the peace. Don't make waves. So we do that, and then have the, "Can you believe what they said THIS year?" conversation in the car on the way home. Long story short, we know we're in the minority, so we have to keep our opinions to ourselves for the sake of keeping the peace.

Whenever there's a family gathering with my family, it's just the opposite. We are in the majority, and there's usually only one or two right-wingers there. So when the conversation turns to politics, the one right-winger in the family feels it's his duty to be the loudest, most boisterous, most obnoxious, most opinionated, and most hateful person in the room. And he won't stop trying to shout people down until the rest of family just gets sick of him and either walks away in disgust or the topic is changed to something more innocuous.

My question is this. Since my experience from both sides of the fence seems to be about in line with every other person's experience, as far as I can tell, why is it that WE are always the ones who feel the need to "keep the peace"? Why are WE the ones who always have to walk away or change the subject? Why are WE the ones who always have to smile and nod and not make waves? Why is it that right-wingers feel it's perfectly acceptable to be obnoxious and opinionated, regardless of whether they're in the overwhelming majority or whether they're the ONLY ONE present? And what's more, from what I can tell, everyone I've ever talked to says they can pretty much COUNT ON the one right-winger to be the obnoxious one? Why are THEY never the ones who feel the need to remain silent, or to just let things go, in order to keep the peace?

Honestly, I think it has something to do with the rise of right-wing hate radio in the late '80s. Rush Limbaugh and everyone who later adopted his style have made all right-wingers think that's the way they SHOULD act. And what's more, they think it's perfectly acceptable. In their minds, THEY'RE the victims, and by shouting everyone down, they're just "fighting for their rights," or some other such silliness. In my opinion, political discussion has devolved into the hateful state it's in now as a direct result of right-wing scream radio, and the advent of a 24-hour-a-day propaganda channel that constantly tells them that they're under assault in some form or another and it's OK to "fight back."

Think about it. When was the last time you heard a story about yet another Thanksgiving dinner ruined by political arguments, but it was some wild, shouting liberal who wouldn't shut up and alienated everyone at the dinner? I haven't heard of a single story like that. I've heard plenty that go the other way, though.

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Interesting Observation About Thanksgiving Politics (Original Post) ChoppinBroccoli Nov 2018 OP
interesting gopiscrap Nov 2018 #1
The answer is simple ... NanceGreggs Nov 2018 #2
I agree with this. n/t Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2018 #10
The 1960s... lostnfound Nov 2018 #3
I don't scream or bully but I damn sure keep talking Awsi Dooger Nov 2018 #4
Because obnoxious people are drawn to the GOP AndJusticeForSome Nov 2018 #5
I believe that you have a valid point Sherman A1 Nov 2018 #6
I've always felt rownesheck Nov 2018 #7
Lord. rownesheck Nov 2018 #8
I have noticed that as well. smirkymonkey Nov 2018 #9

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
2. The answer is simple ...
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 01:58 AM
Nov 2018

... as Democrats, we're just better people.

We don't try to bully people into agreeing with us, because we're intelligent enough to know it's pointless.

We don't scream and alienate others, because we're the adults in the room - we have to be, because they never are.

We don't feel a need to be obnoxious and rude, because we aren't filled with hatred and anger 24/7.

We are just better people - and the events of the past two years have driven that point home.

lostnfound

(16,179 posts)
3. The 1960s...
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 02:28 AM
Nov 2018

I think the young generation that was anti-war were probably pretty loud about it at many family gatherings
For good reason

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
4. I don't scream or bully but I damn sure keep talking
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 02:44 AM
Nov 2018

Right wingers are always stunned by it, especially when their weak arguments are easily parried. They can't believe that the word conservative is used as a negative.

As I've mentioned, the best current talking point is Trump's 46% in 2016. Republicans somehow believe they won 2016 and it was evidence of universal love and great things ahead. When I emphasize how pathetic that 46% was against Hillary Clinton, and that the demographic shifts are slanted against them everywhere, including with new registrations given Trump's low approval rating, they don't want to believe it and can't stand to hear it. Fox News isn't telling them that so they want it to go away.

I'm having great fun.

AndJusticeForSome

(537 posts)
5. Because obnoxious people are drawn to the GOP
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 02:49 AM
Nov 2018

I don't believe our politics make us behave a certain way, but rather, our disposition (considerate, empathetic, etc) dictates our politics

IOW, the behavior patterns already existed; people migrate to the party that reflects their behavior.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
6. I believe that you have a valid point
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 04:36 AM
Nov 2018

Certainly not in all cases as that would be to much of a generalization.

rownesheck

(2,343 posts)
7. I've always felt
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 08:01 AM
Nov 2018

the conservative mind is one of immature actions and thoughts. Their concept of "ME, ME, ME!" which can easily sum up their whole ideology, is a completely immature way to navigate this life as a human being. They sound and act like children. We have a more well rounded view of life, hence the adult-like way in which we act. I may not always agree with it (I've been guilty of trying to keep the piece myself), but it's what adults do.

On the other hand, we do need to smack them (figuratively of course) when they step over the line too many times.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
9. I have noticed that as well.
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 11:10 AM
Nov 2018

Fortunately, we had a nice, peaceful Thanksgiving this year. I think the right-wingers in the family were not feeling so bold this year.

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