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scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 11:43 AM Nov 2018

Trump's "No Collusion" narrative just took a direct broadside....

....with the news that Manafort visited Assange right after joining the Trump campaign.


That's why Trump is panic-tweeting today about "both sides!"


His "No collusion" argument is going away...and now he is only left with "both sides do it!"


His poll numbers are tanking, as even parts of his base are starting to erode.


As the economy moves into recession within the next year, I predict he won't run for re-election.




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Trump's "No Collusion" narrative just took a direct broadside.... (Original Post) scheming daemons Nov 2018 OP
Even if he did run for re-election, vlyons Nov 2018 #1
Maybe not 100+ years. Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2018 #6
Of course he will run. Two big reasons... thesquanderer Nov 2018 #9
Or poisoned by Putin. leftyladyfrommo Nov 2018 #20
The GOP establishment doesn't pick the nominee, the voters do. And they love Trump. StevieM Nov 2018 #11
The GOP establishment isn't like the DNC establishment Major Nikon Nov 2018 #13
84 farmers True Blue American Nov 2018 #16
If they're even in tRumpland. They're probably still just bots or Russian trolls. ffr Nov 2018 #2
The Trump claim of a perjury trap was that he would say one thing, Jarqui Nov 2018 #3
"Facts are such horrid things!" califootman Nov 2018 #4
Y'know...prosecutors do normally look at one side Maeve Nov 2018 #5
I agree...the "but they did something too" defense is not going to clear him! Moostache Nov 2018 #7
Moo............. MyOwnPeace Nov 2018 #8
+1 dalton99a Nov 2018 #10
His poll numbers aren't tanking. progressoid Nov 2018 #12
poll drops rarely happen instantaneously NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #15
"Fuck Off" is not a denial NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #14
I want him in jail BEFORE he gets a chance to even voice his Ferrets are Cool Nov 2018 #17
Sounds like a big ol YES to me. 47of74 Nov 2018 #18
K&R Scurrilous Nov 2018 #19

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
1. Even if he did run for re-election,
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 11:51 AM
Nov 2018

the GOP establishment would not give it to him. For 100+ years, the GOP has stood against tariffs and supported free trade. Trump ain't got the moxie to negotiate trade deals. And farmers are pissed, as are auto workers.

thesquanderer

(12,047 posts)
9. Of course he will run. Two big reasons...
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 01:54 PM
Nov 2018

One is he'll never walk away from the limelight.

The other is, staying in office is the best protection he has against getting indicted or imprisoned.

StevieM

(10,503 posts)
11. The GOP establishment doesn't pick the nominee, the voters do. And they love Trump.
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 01:59 PM
Nov 2018

Falling poll numbers won't affect him since they are obviously fake polls.

Major Nikon

(36,843 posts)
13. The GOP establishment isn't like the DNC establishment
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 02:08 PM
Nov 2018

There's no real ideology for the GOP anymore, assuming there ever was. It's all about funneling money to the top, and the only way left to do that is through nationalism, which was always the inevitable path for a party chasing an increasingly larger share of a shrinking demographic. Trump isn't their problem, he's a symptom of their problem and the GOP establishment has no choice but to inevitably embrace him and everything he stands for.

True Blue American

(18,014 posts)
16. 84 farmers
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 02:19 PM
Nov 2018

Just filed for bankruptcy.

5 GM plants closed in ohio, Michigan and Canada. 5% of white collar workers gone, 65 thousand workers. Stock market wiped out 2018 gains. Deficit up $1 trillion.How much more?

ffr

(22,712 posts)
2. If they're even in tRumpland. They're probably still just bots or Russian trolls.
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 11:56 AM
Nov 2018

Conservatives are rather simple. They don't form their own opinions on their own, that's what Fox Noise is for.

Not sure if they could come up with FO and the other comment. Iffy.

Jarqui

(10,150 posts)
3. The Trump claim of a perjury trap was that he would say one thing,
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 11:56 AM
Nov 2018

someone else would say another and then what he said would get cast in doubt because of the difference.

If it turns out that he colluded with Manafort to come up with written answers similar to what Manafort told them that Mueller knows are lies, that would be sweet.

Since the news about Manafort's lying came out:










So he goes back to smearing Mueller and attempting misdirection ...

Facts are stubborn things

califootman

(120 posts)
4. "Facts are such horrid things!"
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 12:07 PM
Nov 2018

Jane Austen was prescient... Trump is like a modern day Lady Susan! Well, except that Lady Susan was attractive and smart. Trump only has her scheming, amoral, and self-centered qualities.

Maeve

(42,396 posts)
5. Y'know...prosecutors do normally look at one side
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 12:15 PM
Nov 2018

but I'd be fascinated to hear what the Con thinks the other side is..

"Did not!" isn't really much of an argument, especially when the evidence says "Yes, you did".

Moostache

(9,919 posts)
7. I agree...the "but they did something too" defense is not going to clear him!
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 01:15 PM
Nov 2018

His entire ranting nonsense about "the other side" is immaterial to the question at hand and it ALWAYS IS!!! This is nothing more or less than "what-about-ism" run amok as a deflection from accountability.

The Mueller investigation was chartered with a broad mandate to investigate Trump, his campaign and his finances related to ANY potential criminality...that is a life's worth of work in and of itself...now that Trump is realizing just exactly what that means (and that chanting his "no collusion" mantra is not making it go away), he is shitting himself hourly.

I only hope the stress causes him to have a major cardiac event and to cease respiring with all due haste...

progressoid

(50,123 posts)
12. His poll numbers aren't tanking.
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 02:07 PM
Nov 2018

Nixon and Bush's numbers tanked. Trump's are just back to 38% where they have been there before.

NewJeffCT

(56,830 posts)
15. poll drops rarely happen instantaneously
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 02:11 PM
Nov 2018

even with big events, it takes a week or two to register in polling.

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