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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy Is Anyone Complaining about Pelosi and Schumer
taking a piece out of Trump? I've seen a couple of posts here saying that they should have treated him "more carefully." I think that's nonsense. I was extremely pleased by Pelosi's takedown of Trump yesterday. I hope that attitude continues and gets even more pointed, starting in January.
Trump has gotten too much of a pass for too long. It's time for Democrats in positions of power to speak out and speak up against Trump's childish, ignorant behavior as President.
Call Trump out publicly! Keep it up! Embarrass the crap out of him as often as possible. He's a dangerous fool! Call it out!
Wounded Bear
(58,706 posts)they very carefully kicked his ass and made him own his shutdown over his phony wall bullshit.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)he stepped in. Bravi!
olegramps
(8,200 posts)0rganism
(23,970 posts)i'm not sure how much he saw through his eyelids...
forgotmylogin
(7,530 posts)And that's not made a difference. The definition of insanity is expecting a different outcome from the same behavior.
DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)it's only just begun. trump is going to go insane.
Beartracks
(12,821 posts)I mean, yeah, of course, these folks are the ones who think Trump's Big Hard Manly Wall is about national security. But still...
If that were so -- if Trump indeed "won" the meeting in the Oval Office -- then why was he so enraged after the meeting, and Pelosi and Schumer so pleased?
Trumpers live in a cave. A "FOX hole mentality," if you will.
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BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)MineralMan
(146,329 posts)We should take notice of it when they do. Hence this thread.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)This site affords these hooligans their shenanigans all the time. It's why I pretty much left it and only come in every now and then. I stayed away during the primaries and midterm elections, and only now have popped my head in.
These non-Dems/non-Liberals infest this site to the point that real Democrats and Liberals have abandoned what used to be our home during the Duhbya years.
I've had my fill of them since the 2016 primaries and election.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)Cary
(11,746 posts)And I'll remind you the next time you ride that high horse of yours.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)oldlibdem
(330 posts)If I feel that someone has an ulterior motive I'll block them too. I'm not refering to you BlueCalidem, I'm just replying to your post.
old guy
(3,283 posts)I have a list of suspect posters, and am very careful to treat them that way.
Hekate
(90,793 posts)brush
(53,843 posts)If they are not Dems or liberal/progressive that's their problem.
We're about electing Democrats here.
IronLionZion
(45,528 posts)then we shouldn't fall for it.
brush
(53,843 posts)Caliman73
(11,744 posts)They are Democrats and they typically align with the majority of Democratic positions, but hold some views that are not in the Democratic mainstream for religious or personal reasons.
Then their are those who just come to disrupt or are generally disgruntled but have no other vehicle for political power.
brush
(53,843 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Even though they are in the same party, they can differ on strategy and such. No reason to call someone a non-Democrat because they don't agree w/the majority.
I think Pelosi & Schumer did great. It was also good fun (for me), and did no damage that I can see. They merely pointed out that he has control of the entire govt right now, so he can get that passed without the Democrats' help. Boom.
Rorey
(8,445 posts)He can't get things done with the republicans in power, and it's only going to get worse. His "presidency" so far has been a complete failure, and now he has zero chance to salvage it.
There is nothing positive in Individual 1's life at this point, and he's going to get what he deserves.
DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)Then why are they here?
INdemo
(6,994 posts)any Right Wing sympathizers should find their way over to the Freepers site
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Dems are doing what any Patriot should have been doing...
Blue Owl
(50,494 posts)They turn into someone exactly like Donald -- an overgrown, entitled, out-of-control man-child....
Better late than never!
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)it's time to start making demands, I think. Force Trump and the right-wingers to show their colors. That can only help us in 2020.
It's time to take off the gloves.
spanone
(135,873 posts)More than they probably dreamed they could get out of him....
demmiblue
(36,885 posts)spanone
(135,873 posts)demmiblue
(36,885 posts)Mountains out of molehills.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)BlueJac
(7,838 posts)underpants
(182,877 posts)Look how composed Chuck remained when Trump busted out his JAZZ HANDS!
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)One he said, "I'm proud to shut down the government," it was game over for Donwald.
He owns it now, lock, stock, and barrel.
littlemissmartypants
(22,797 posts)Fixed it.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)calimary
(81,466 posts)of the trump era (and maybe even beyond, for the sake of tarnishing the GOP), then they don't deserve to win any further.
I hope they make MASSIVE use of it. A thoughtful free gift from The Asset!
Cha
(297,655 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,749 posts)No complaints from me, but there's one in every crowd.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)which they didn't expect. So they cleverly winged it and got Trump to look even more stupid than usual. A priceless win for both of them, I think.
And, today, Cohen gets 36 months in the pokey. Couldn't be better!
brush
(53,843 posts)And now with the Cohen sentencing trump knows what awaits him once he's out of the WH, and that's before whatever Mueller doles out.
Woohoo!
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)Trump must be sitting in the West Wing with his head in his hands. His usual strategies are accomplishing nothing, and he has nothing else to offer.
lilactime
(657 posts)Bengus81
(6,932 posts)That Trump has pimped for about THREE years is hitting the US Treasury coffers.
Saboburns
(2,807 posts)Taught with relentless, unavoidable, expensive, and effective programming and propaganda.
And the kicker is that for the most part we do it to ourselves.
It's propaganda that effectively sets the narrative. Short relentless messaging.
Some examples (that I do not agree with!):
Hillary is a Bitch. Reagan won the Cold War. Jimmy Carter was a terrible POTUS, Pelosi a bad choice for Speaker, Bill Clinton should apologize to Monica, military loves the Republican party, tax cuts for rich trickle down, etc.
All this "common knowledge" that gets consumed and broadcast by Democrats as well Republicans. And it works very well. Sadly.
It vexes me greatly, because it's so damn difficult, nigh on impossible for me to counter, counter not just with Republicans but with us Democrats.
Though I try. Lord knows I try.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)MineralMan
(146,329 posts)and change DC politics, I think. That would be a refreshing change.
Paladin
(28,272 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,214 posts)She knew it would be embarrassing for Trump (isn't everything?) and out of respect for the office, wanted the meeting to be WITHOUT reporters. Trump said no.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)Instead, he Trumped himself.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,214 posts)and tossed a file folder full of briefings. What a 👶
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)BuddhaGirl
(3,609 posts)above Schumer: "ohhhh myyyyy"
avebury
(10,952 posts)for his public humiliation.
RobinA
(9,894 posts)was hilarious with that grin on his face. Pelosi was a little hard to listen to, but I assume she was checking every word before it left her mouth, which doesn't make for great fluency. Trying to talk sense to the senseless is never easy.
pazzyanne
(6,556 posts)like a boss! They did a great job of working tRump, and then got his admission that he wanted to shut down the government as a bonus!
and they did it with class!
LuckyLib
(6,819 posts)hear. She needs to project it more. But all in all it was a take down -- they both did well. And Pence as a potted plant was the finishing touch.
GoCubsGo
(32,088 posts)Some of that is understandable. The man is batshit crazy, along with being mean and stupid. That's a terrible combination, and could potentially wreak all sorts of havoc. But, Pelosi and Schumer were nothing but careful. I mean, Pelosi suggested they have their conversation away from the cameras, in order to keep the world from seeing him make a further ass of himself. She bent over backwards to be nice to that asshole.
I thought they played Trump like a fiddle. It was like watching a duet of Itzhak Perlman and Yo Yo Ma.
betsuni
(25,614 posts)How do you know that? On the news they said this meeting is traditionally private. Trump broke with tradition.
GoCubsGo
(32,088 posts)She said right to his face, "I think we should have this conversation away from the cameras..."
peggysue2
(10,839 posts)It did my soul a world of good to see Trumpski's face redden as he walked into a trap of his own making. He was the one who called for the press in attendance, presumably for transparency. In reality? I think he assumed he'd conjure up a favorable photo-op, try to rake Pelosi and Schumer over the coals, make demands on the WALL because he was holding the 'Shut Down the Government' card.
Turns out he was playing Old Maid while Pelosi & Schumer were playing poker. And then we had Pence's body witnessing the political carnage with nary a comment or sign of life. Except for the ping-pong eyes.
It was a very good day for Democrats and a spectacular day for our Madam Speaker-in-Waiting. She and Schumer took no prisoners while staying above Trumpski's belligerent, arrogant level.
Good day!
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)calimary
(81,466 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)I have no issues with the on camera meeting.
I appreciate what Chuck and Nancy did.
I think Nancy commenting on his manhood was beneath her.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)I think it's almost all about his manhood. Brava, Nancy!
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Pelosi doesnt do anything in front of the cameras that isnt a deliberate and direct message to the President and Congress. She also doesnt insult people gratuitously. She understands fully how to fight the enemy with their own weaknesses. She knows that Trump in a rage is his own worst enemy. Her manhood comment is to feed his rage which is when he cuts off his own nose to spite his face.
Shes not playing checkers.
Cha
(297,655 posts)tblue37
(65,487 posts)She didn't say it for public consumption.
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)homegirl
(1,433 posts)I loved the "tinkle" contest with a skunk remark afterwards, should have said it to his face. Trump has to be goaded into a live, on air meltdown.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)mwooldri
(10,303 posts)Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer totally pwned Donald Trump.
If the USA had UK style "Prime Ministers Question Time" I can definitely see Nancy or Chuck do well (either as PM role or Opposition Leader role). Trump? He couldn't oppose himself out of a wet paper bag IMO.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)from Congress live. I used to watch Parliament do that sometimes. Always entertaining.
Iggo
(47,565 posts)Shine a light on that shit.
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)The look on his face when Pelosi damn near immediately said "Trump Shutdown" was priceless. People think things like that are minor but it's the cornerstone of Trumps "philosophy". It caught him off-guard as few have used it against him well.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)They're masters of such situations. Trump is a bumbler who counts on people deferring to him.
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)MineralMan
(146,329 posts)comments later in a different venue. Why should Donwald be the only one to ridicule others in Tweets. It's time to turn the tables on Trump and let him take some of his own medicine.
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)MineralMan
(146,329 posts)Trump is way out of his league.
Pisces
(5,602 posts)With saying we apprehended 10 terrorist last month implying they came from the caravan. That should have been called a lie and he should have to produce the names and country of origin and where they were apprehended. They should have asked why Mexico was not paying for the wall.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)if I were going to object to anything, it would be to Pelosi and Schumer protesting Trump having this converation with them in public. That makes it look like we're the ones who don't like daylight. In my opinion, they should have said, Mr. President, we advise you against it, but if you would like to have this conversation in the public eye then we welcome it right here, right now.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)Later, Nancy Pelosi twisted the knife in her other statements.
tavernier
(12,400 posts)Nancy used a silencer when she popped him in the ass. Repeatedly.
Of course there is no way anyone else can get a word in edgewise when he starts pontificating.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)considering that they had expected the meeting to be away from the media.
Doubt anyone could had done it better.
patphil
(6,207 posts)Trump is a bully. He will push and push and push to get his way. Democratic leadership has to push back, and keep pushing to let him know we aren't going to take that crap from him.
Look what happened when President Obama tried to work with the Republicans. They refused to work with him.
I'm not saying we can't compromise with the Republicans, but we have to show unity, strength, and determination in the face of Trump's bullying tactics.
We will control the House and we need to make sure Trump understands that he will have to work with the Democratic leadership if he wants to get things done.
That will be a new and painful experience for him.
Why would we want to deprive Trump of a chance to experience this?
Pat Phillips
C Moon
(12,221 posts)So, I'm betting she has zero respect for Trump.
PJMcK
(22,048 posts)Trump's BS has been going on for so long! I've been wondering if our Democratic leaders would show some backbone.
Thankfully, the new year should be good for us.
marieo1
(1,402 posts)Oh, my, MIneral Man You voiced my sentiments completely. DJT hasn't earned any respect - he should be impeached ASAP. I appreciate any take down of him since they are in position to do it and I am not!! They speak for me - Thank you Mrs. Pelosi and Mr. Schumer and Mineral Man!!!
The Liberal Lion
(1,414 posts)I couldn't imagine any liberal, progressive, or even moderate to centrist democrat being displeased.
lark
(23,155 posts)Not saying I don't believe you, I do, it's just, wow how the trolls have spread. Anyone who is a serious Dem would delight in the chaos Agent Orange heaped on himself yesterday and the damage he did to his own plan. Seriously, he's such a child to be so easily baited by Schumer & Pelosi into doing the exact opposite of what he was trying to accomplish. Such a stupid, ignorant, little man.
thbobby
(1,474 posts)Pelosi and Schumer were polite and respectful as long as trump's conduct made it feasible. Then they used their big stick masterfully. Lawrence O'Donnell said last night that he should have been confronted in a stronger way, asked why Mexico wasn't paying for the wall. I do not agree. Pelosi and Schumer let him be the jerk and then took him apart.
Mr.Bill
(24,319 posts)is Pelosi and Schumer asking him why Mexico wasn't paying for the wall. He should be asked this every time the subject comes up.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)mcar
(42,372 posts)They seem to think if a Democrat does it, there's something wrong with it.
Caliman73
(11,744 posts)I saw some yesterday that were excoriating Pelosi and Schumer for getting manhandled by Trump and not standing up to him. I had not seen anyone saying they were too hard on him. That is interesting.
I think that they were as professional and appropriate as they could be in light of Trump's lying and blustering in front of the national press.
It is easy to think of how to react to a situation when you have seen it and can think through the situation. People think, "I would have told them ...." or something. I am not sure if Pelosi and Schumer knew that they were going to be meeting in front of such a media show yesterday. Perhaps they did, but from the initial reaction it looks as if it were a surprise to them.
They couldn't really be offensive otherwise the media would have covered the meeting from that perspective, "Pelosi and Schumer disrespect the President". It would have been portrayed as the Democrats having no respect for the office. There are some on our side who are upset because Pelosi didn't call Trump a liar and kick him in the balls in front of everyone.
The Democrats seem to always be in a difficult situation because they have to govern. They have to make the best possible choices for all people to keep government working for the majority. Republicans don't seem to think that way. They say that "government doesn't work" so they seem to have no problem with gumming up the works or shutting it down. Everything is always a political calculation with them whereas Democrats have to think about how their political calculations will affect actual people. I think Pelosi and Schumer did a good job yesterday.
Cha
(297,655 posts)would have covered it. As it happened trump was his own worst enemy and that's how it came out.
Link to tweet
Nancy and Chuck metaphorically kicked him in his butt.
Cha
(297,655 posts)tblue37
(65,487 posts)Turbineguy
(37,365 posts)oldlibdem
(330 posts)I think they were too easy on him myself. If I was senator schumer or Rep. Pelosi I would have chopped him off at the ankles when
he started the Chuck and Nancy Crap! I would have been like "it's Senator Schumer to you, Mr. President"!
curiouso
(57 posts)My guess is that the complaints about Pelosi and Schumer are being generated by Republic-Cons masquerading as one of us or Russian hacks hoping to sow dissent within our ranks. Ignore 'em and maybe they'll go away...
JHan
(10,173 posts)Which motivates them to search for a flaw (in their eyes) to amplify. I don't know if it's ignorance about Politics, irrational discontent with Nancy herself or some people on a hunt to confirm what they believe to be the worst thing about Democrats.
Soon after the mid-terms, I do remember some outrage when Nancy made some boilerplate comments about "common ground" and Trump and based on some comments I read, you'd swear she was the first congressional leader to make empty symbolic statements after Dems took the house. It was bullshit political rhetoric, typical after midterms, which functions as white noise and really not to be taken seriously.. however, this was lost on publications like the Intercept which ran an embarrassing oh-we're-so-outraged column about her remarks.
Now, Nancy's savvy shines even more given how she stuck it to Trump.
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)Chuck on the Senate floor. Trump twitter gone silent.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/cocoon-his-own-mistruth-schumer-says-s-where-trump-lives-n946971
usaf-vet
(6,207 posts)He shows no one else respect treat him with the same level of disrespect. He hasn't earn the right to be treated like a king and definitely not The President of the United States.
Bettie
(16,124 posts)and will probably do so in the future.
But, this meeting with Trump?
Handled perfectly. They went just far enough in helping him make a fool of himself.
PatrickforO
(14,587 posts)We've had to walk on eggs around this nincompoop for fear of his base for too long. Heck with 'em. The guy's incompetent.