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NO TO FASCISM

(40 posts)
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 03:46 PM Dec 2018

I do not know why we do not do this

I am a former Republican. I left the party in 2012, but never removed my name from their mailing list. Every two or three days I get an email from "President Trump" telling me what is going on, defending himself, or asking my opinion. They never ask for money. I also get letters from the RNC which ask for money but they are never from trump himself (although some are signed by his son). I understand these are not real letters from the president, but they are designed to make me think they are. They are designed to make me feel I am part of his movement and my opinions are valued, not my money. EVERY letter, in whatever form, that I receive from Democrats is a fund raising letter that makes me feel valued only for my money. We should learn something from the Republicans. Information only emails cost nothing, they do not have to pay for themselves. Use them.

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I do not know why we do not do this (Original Post) NO TO FASCISM Dec 2018 OP
Good idea. violetpastille Dec 2018 #1
You can't even give the DNC or the DCCC an idea without paying money to get it to them. allgood33 Dec 2018 #17
Bullshit. You can write them, email them, or call them any time you want. What you can't do FSogol Dec 2018 #23
Thank you EffieBlack Dec 2018 #24
This place some days! SMH. n/t FSogol Dec 2018 #25
It's so much easier to be a keyboard warrior full of criticism and advice EffieBlack Dec 2018 #27
Yeah and then there is this too: FSogol Dec 2018 #30
For YEARS, I have been attacked for saying: SoCalDem Dec 2018 #2
But then they couldn't vote in the Democratic primary, in most places. n/t pnwmom Dec 2018 #20
That is unfortunately true, but SoCalDem Dec 2018 #21
SoCalDem, I think that is a great idea in open primary states (almost half of them are) FM123 Dec 2018 #31
I hear from MoveOn often. Sneederbunk Dec 2018 #3
Which is an interest group for activist NO TO FASCISM Dec 2018 #13
I still don't know why the Clinton campaign.. dubyadiprecession Dec 2018 #4
Please do not get me started NO TO FASCISM Dec 2018 #11
That's what local parties do - it's called canvassing - and they did EffieBlack Dec 2018 #28
I get emails from my Senators and House reps lunatica Dec 2018 #5
I agree completely. I understand that the dems don't have the same AJT Dec 2018 #6
I am not saying never ask for money NO TO FASCISM Dec 2018 #9
An email costs nothing NO TO FASCISM Dec 2018 #10
That's not a new thing... brooklynite Dec 2018 #7
I did not see it NO TO FASCISM Dec 2018 #8
What is it like a short survey? At the end they will be begging for money. All of them will do it UniteFightBack Dec 2018 #12
No the short survey is what the democrates do NO TO FASCISM Dec 2018 #14
You're a new member...welcome... pecosbob Dec 2018 #15
I hope this is taken as constructive criticism, and thank you for welcoming me NO TO FASCISM Dec 2018 #16
I agree with you completely, and welcome your perspective. Crunchy Frog Dec 2018 #18
Firstly, welcome. You are absolutely correct, and it was part of the reason I came here too. I love OnDoutside Dec 2018 #19
Republicans don't need or want money from the hoi-polloi, the peons, salt-of-the-earth, you, me. JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2018 #22
Its a good idea. Welcome to DU, glad to have you on our side in this fight. ooky Dec 2018 #26
I understand your point, but in general, our dispositions are different. ecstatic Dec 2018 #29
Get involved in a campaign or your local party. I get info emails and newsletters from FSogol Dec 2018 #32
 

allgood33

(1,584 posts)
17. You can't even give the DNC or the DCCC an idea without paying money to get it to them.
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 06:52 AM
Dec 2018

You are so right. And most of our Democrats on Twitter will not even open their accounts for private notifications. If you want to tell them something without the world seeing it it can't be done. At least Perez has opened his notifications and I have received feedback from him but this is his Twitter account...does not ID as DNC.

FSogol

(45,678 posts)
23. Bullshit. You can write them, email them, or call them any time you want. What you can't do
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 09:10 AM
Dec 2018

is reply to a fundraising email template with your noble musings.

Stop ripping the Democrats. Go to your local Democratic Party office and volunteer to help if your opinions are so necessary.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
27. It's so much easier to be a keyboard warrior full of criticism and advice
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 09:22 AM
Dec 2018

than to actually go out and do the work.

FSogol

(45,678 posts)
30. Yeah and then there is this too:
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 09:31 AM
Dec 2018

Report: Russia still using social media to roil US politics

WASHINGTON — Russia’s sweeping political disinformation campaign on U.S. social media was more far-reaching than originally thought, with troll farms working to discourage black voters and “blur the lines between reality and fiction” to help elect Donald Trump in 2016, according to reports released Monday by the Senate intelligence committee.

And the campaign didn’t end with Trump’s ascent to the White House. Troll farms are still working to stoke racial and political passions in America at a time of high political discord.

The two studies are the most comprehensive picture yet of the Russian interference campaigns on American social media. They add to the portrait investigators have been building since 2017 on Russia’s influence — though Trump has equivocated on whether the interference actually happened.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/russia-social-media-influence-efforts-ongoing-report-says/2018/12/17/936dad56-0272-11e9-958c-0a601226ff6b_story.html?utm_term=.f799e3912b50

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
2. For YEARS, I have been attacked for saying:
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 04:06 PM
Dec 2018

NEW voters and voters in "dangerous" precincts/districts/states should REGISTER AS REPUBLICANS

If republicans are in charge of registering/providing machines, ballots, polling places, it is practically an imperative to BE a republican (if you do not want to be purged/harassed/etc..

We need an army of "infiltrators"...if for no other reason than to confuse republicans

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
21. That is unfortunately true, but
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 08:32 AM
Dec 2018

in crucial states, which is best?

getting to choose a candidate or having your name on the roster when the election rolls around?

Stealthy is sometimes the best choice..

FM123

(10,056 posts)
31. SoCalDem, I think that is a great idea in open primary states (almost half of them are)
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 09:41 AM
Dec 2018

I was just thinking that in states like Georgia where the vote purge & suppression were just over and beyond - it might have helped in getting the wonderful Stacey Abrams elected...

dubyadiprecession

(5,836 posts)
4. I still don't know why the Clinton campaign..
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 04:39 PM
Dec 2018

Didn’t have its people walking precincts and polling democratic voters in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania?

 

NO TO FASCISM

(40 posts)
11. Please do not get me started
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 10:38 PM
Dec 2018

I do not know why she advertised on Politico instead of PCH which has free games and prizes and others like it, which attracts a lot of low information voters, and those who do not give a damn except every four years when they vote for their team. Trump was there !!

I do not know why her slogan was "I'm with her" instead of something like "Make America Great Again." The election was not about her. It was about making peoples lives better.

I do not understand why she spent millions of dollars telling people how bad a role model Donald Trump was for their children. Those who cared knew it already. She should have spent those millions telling people how she helped people in the past and how her programs would help people in the future.

And what was she thinking when she said Trump supporters were a basket of deplorables. She could never win back the border-line Trump supporters because she judged them and the real deplorables wore the term as a badge of honor.

She was the most experienced and qualified person to ever run for president. But that also labeled her as a member of the establishment and one of the elite and her campaign did nothing to vanquish that impression. The voters were in no mood for that in those areas devastated by a changing economy, which they blamed on the elites.

So we ended up with the orange turd.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
28. That's what local parties do - it's called canvassing - and they did
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 09:27 AM
Dec 2018

In fact, the Dems had one of the most robust canvassing efforts in history in 2016. A lack of canvassing wasn't the problem.

Did you do any canvassing?

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
5. I get emails from my Senators and House reps
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 04:47 PM
Dec 2018

They are all informative with any donations being optional.

I see nothing wrong with Democrats asking for donations since they don’t get as much as the Republicans get from organizations like the NRA, the Kock brothers, the 1%, and Russia and other foreign countries.



AJT

(5,240 posts)
6. I agree completely. I understand that the dems don't have the same
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 05:01 PM
Dec 2018

deep pocketed donors that the repubs have, but you still need to connect to people, not just play the money card.

 

NO TO FASCISM

(40 posts)
9. I am not saying never ask for money
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 09:08 PM
Dec 2018

but do not make people think it is the only reason you are contacting them. see my answer below

 

NO TO FASCISM

(40 posts)
10. An email costs nothing
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 09:13 PM
Dec 2018

Making people think they are part of the process is the most valuable thing any political party can have

 

NO TO FASCISM

(40 posts)
8. I did not see it
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 09:02 PM
Dec 2018

If they did was it two or three times a week. Was it a us approach without asking for money. Show people their opinion is important, not the money. Make them feel they are part of the process, that is what Trump does. This is why his followers are so loyal. When we attack him they feel we are attacking them.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
12. What is it like a short survey? At the end they will be begging for money. All of them will do it
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 10:41 PM
Dec 2018

and they do need money. You need money to run. That's another factor for Prez in 2020...who can rake in the money????

 

NO TO FASCISM

(40 posts)
14. No the short survey is what the democrates do
Mon Dec 17, 2018, 10:52 PM
Dec 2018

as an excuse to ask for money. I guess because Trump goes where the winds of his supporters take him, it is an in-depth survey with a lot of open-ended questions. Trump is not a leader, he is a follower and a salesman. It never asks for money.

pecosbob

(7,604 posts)
15. You're a new member...welcome...
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 01:08 AM
Dec 2018

Be careful not to appear as if you are criticizing Dems. Just a heads up.

 

NO TO FASCISM

(40 posts)
16. I hope this is taken as constructive criticism, and thank you for welcoming me
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 06:08 AM
Dec 2018

Self-examination is one of the most important activities a person can engage in. The same thing is true for any smart organization, including a political party. Otherwise, you are stuck in the mud and can not move forward towards your goal.

Crunchy Frog

(26,751 posts)
18. I agree with you completely, and welcome your perspective.
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 07:14 AM
Dec 2018

I think constructive criticism and self examination are incredibly important.

Unfortunately, in the past couple of years on this site, the general view seems to have taken hold that criticism is the same as "attacking", or even that there's no such thing as criticism that's constructive.

I do hope you'll stick around here, because I think your perspective is a valuable one. It will certainly not be welcomed in all quarters here though.

OnDoutside

(19,999 posts)
19. Firstly, welcome. You are absolutely correct, and it was part of the reason I came here too. I love
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 07:44 AM
Dec 2018

a good debate about these things too, but there are posters here who have a heightened wariness of new members, and will alert at the drop of a hat. In fairness to them, some have come through years of online shitfests and attacks, so I get that.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,453 posts)
22. Republicans don't need or want money from the hoi-polloi, the peons, salt-of-the-earth, you, me.
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 09:06 AM
Dec 2018

Republicans are rolling in dough from the likes of Koch brothers, Adelson, Putin and his oligarchs. The only thing they need from the base is loyalty. Blind, jingoistic, loyalty. So, "free" emails: Lock her up, build the wall, MAGA!

Dems need every sawbuck they can glean from workers.

ooky

(8,975 posts)
26. Its a good idea. Welcome to DU, glad to have you on our side in this fight.
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 09:18 AM
Dec 2018

I find it encouraging each time I meet someone who has rejected the Republican's assault on our democracy.

ecstatic

(32,909 posts)
29. I understand your point, but in general, our dispositions are different.
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 09:30 AM
Dec 2018

That's why we don't have a Rush Limbaugh equivalent on public radio, etc. Think about the level of gullibility required to believe anything trump says, either on Twitter or in an email that was clearly not written by him.

FSogol

(45,678 posts)
32. Get involved in a campaign or your local party. I get info emails and newsletters from
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 09:54 AM
Dec 2018

Chap Peterson, Dave Marsden, Tim Kaine, Gerry Connolly, Mark Warner, Ralph Northam, Justin Fairfax, Sharon Bulova, Martin O'Malley, and Mark Herring. Why? Over the years, I've supported them and/or helped on their campaigns.

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