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kentuck

(111,255 posts)
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 06:43 AM Dec 2018

How do you feel about the current state of our democracy?


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Not concerned at all
0 (0%)
A little concerned
0 (0%)
Confident
0 (0%)
Apprehensive
0 (0%)
Worried
8 (18%)
Fearful
4 (9%)
Panic stricken
2 (4%)
Scared Shitless
31 (69%)
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How do you feel about the current state of our democracy? (Original Post) kentuck Dec 2018 OP
Very Concerned Sherman A1 Dec 2018 #1
Worried. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 2018 #2
Do this same poll on the Daily Caller site and people won't care. watoos Dec 2018 #3
This. Exactly. sharedvalues Dec 2018 #6
And sick to my stomach about it. Suddenly I've got insomnia, too. Vinca Dec 2018 #4
I'm the same, and add major anxiety/ panic attacks to that as well! pazzyanne Dec 2018 #15
What democracy? nt zanana1 Dec 2018 #5
What Democracy? gilligan Dec 2018 #7
I am concerned that congress has abdicated it responsibilities. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #8
Really? watoos Dec 2018 #11
Please read my post again. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #14
Don't worry, this is merely capitalism crushing the life out of democracy Farmer-Rick Dec 2018 #9
Worse yet, it's crony capitalism. watoos Dec 2018 #12
Capitalism didn't crush China's communism. harumph Dec 2018 #17
Are you saying that China is not using capitalism? Farmer-Rick Dec 2018 #18
Market capitalism seems to work very well under communist political systems. kentuck Dec 2018 #19
See now my better half use to say that China has a Communist Political System but Farmer-Rick Dec 2018 #21
Its clearly under attack. And its been severely weakened by gerrymandering and propaganda. ooky Dec 2018 #10
To quote Foch: NotASurfer Dec 2018 #13
You mean where the person with the most votes loses? uponit7771 Dec 2018 #16
Worried. I might have said scared shitless if I knew less about American history Tom Rinaldo Dec 2018 #20
Chicken little? GusBob Dec 2018 #22

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
1. Very Concerned
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 07:01 AM
Dec 2018

I was likewise concerned during the Bush years and things have not really improved.

There is simply too much money in politics.

BlueTsunami2018

(3,554 posts)
2. Worried.
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 07:01 AM
Dec 2018

We’ve had two Presidenrial elections stolen from us within the past 18 years. And all that goes with it. The Supreme Court should be 7-2 Democratic appointees at this point. The national debt should be gone by now. We never would have gone to Iraq or Afghanistan. The safety net should be way stronger. Environmental protections should be tight as a drum. Voter suppression should be a thing of the past. And so on and so forth.


W never should have been allowed to be President. Тяцмр certainly never should have either.

Perhaps I should be more than just worried.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
3. Do this same poll on the Daily Caller site and people won't care.
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 08:08 AM
Dec 2018

Republican voters don't care that Russia is colluding with Republicans to get them elected. Republican voters have been convinced that Russians are better than lazy, deadbeat, baby killing, snowflake, subhuman Democrats.
The Republican base votes against Democrats, votes against their own best interests.

Yeah I agree we need to get money out of politics but we also need to bring back the Fairness Doctrine.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
8. I am concerned that congress has abdicated it responsibilities.
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 09:24 AM
Dec 2018

That is huge. Outside of that I feel pretty good.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
11. Really?
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 09:36 AM
Dec 2018

How did this Whitaker guy get to be Acting AG without Senate confirmation? If there is a vacancy Rosenstein should have moved up, why didn't he? How is it that Trump can just put someone in a position, who is accused of fraud by the way, without following the rules? The reason I am hearing is that Trump is allowed because Whitaker will shut down Mueller. How much of what I just wrote violates our democracy?

Farmer-Rick

(10,395 posts)
9. Don't worry, this is merely capitalism crushing the life out of democracy
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 09:31 AM
Dec 2018

You can't have both.

Just like when capitalism crushed China's communism.

Thanks to little Putin and the Kochs, America seems to have accepted it. Yeah, well placed propaganda.

And the stock market ...worse December since the Republican Great Depression...knows it's a bad idea too.

Farmer-Rick

(10,395 posts)
18. Are you saying that China is not using capitalism?
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 10:45 AM
Dec 2018

I'm not sure what you mean by market economy. All economies have markets, even slave economies.

If China is allowing people with capital to invest and make money off their money then they are using capitalism.

Though I agree with you that the leaders are the ones reaping most of the rewards. Some of them have more money than little Putin ever hoped for.

kentuck

(111,255 posts)
19. Market capitalism seems to work very well under communist political systems.
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 10:48 AM
Dec 2018

And has little to do with democracy.

I think some may confuse capitalism with democracy?

Farmer-Rick

(10,395 posts)
21. See now my better half use to say that China has a Communist Political System but
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 11:24 AM
Dec 2018

a capitalist economy. I use to argue that you can't have it both ways. You can't have Communism and capitalism working in the same economy. Communism is about sharing everything with every citizen. There is no ownership. It all belongs to everyone. It discourages ownership of property, especially the use of capital by individuals,... that's the communal part of Communism. What most people mean when they say capitalism and Communism in the same economic system, is Socialism and capitalism in the same economy. There is some socialism in the Chinese economy.

Socialism allows for the private ownership of property. The true meaning behind Communism is everything is shared and nothing is owned. So, how are they sharing and not owning in the political arena? Do the people get to vote? I really don't see any Communism in China anymore. They just throw the word around and hope no one looks too closely.

ooky

(8,994 posts)
10. Its clearly under attack. And its been severely weakened by gerrymandering and propaganda.
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 09:31 AM
Dec 2018

Anyone who values our democracy and has a pulse should certainly be alarmed by now. The 2020 election is going to be so so so important in our fight to maintain our democracy. States and Federal will both be critical.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,924 posts)
20. Worried. I might have said scared shitless if I knew less about American history
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 10:56 AM
Dec 2018

We have never had what I would call a really well functioning democracy, but it has done relatively well by world standards over the course of centuries. America has been through many dark periods. What type of healthy democracy allows "Jim Crow laws" to persist for decades let alone slavery itself?

But yes, I am worried. Our democracy is now undergoing yet another of its periodic "stress tests". We've survived others before this. But that doesn't preclude the possibility that this is the one we may utterly fail.

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