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TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
Fri Dec 28, 2018, 11:47 PM Dec 2018

Mother Jones - How to Spot a Russian Bot

If you start seeing name-calling posts directed at Democrats, particularly anyone who is a presidential contender, that are just a few lines accusing them of being a: corporatist, globalist, DLC, Third-Way, Clintonista, etc., then you might be seeing another Russian bot campaign circa 2016. Be aware. Look at who is kicking the threads and anti-Democratic attacks. Do they actually post any original, substantive content? Do they ever say something positive about Democrats? Or, do they just kick attacks on Democrats from the "left"?

https://www.motherjones.com/media/2018/08/how-to-identify-russian-bots-twitter/

In late July, Twitter’s stock took a beating as the company ramped up efforts to improve “conversational health” on the platform, including purging millions of fake accounts. That was followed by news that members of Congress led by Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) are studying potential ways to regulate Big Tech, in part to battle the kind of disinformation on social media that tainted the 2016 elections.

The Russian government and other malicious actors continue to spread false information and divisive political content on Twitter, Facebook, and other platforms—efforts that rely in no small part on the unwitting participation of everyday people, according to Bret Schafer, an analyst at the Alliance for Securing Democracy. “Social-media users need to be aware of their role in information laundering. If a user retweets, emails, or posts information taken from a less-than-credible point of origin, they now have become the new ‘source’ of that information for friends, family, [and] followers,” Schafer told Mother Jones. “This is how false information really spreads.”

So-called bots, and bot networks, are a big part of the problem. These are generally accounts that operate according to programmed instructions, although human users may control them some of the time. Not all bots are malicious, of course; automated accounts can have benign or even whimsical purposes, like learning how to “see” or “talk.”

Various experts have offered guides to spotting Twitter bots, though the specifics can get pretty obscure and technical. We’ve culled the below from some of the best online guides and expert advice—with the caveat that malicious actors continue to grow more sophisticated and none of these indicators is surefire. (When the Atlantic Council’s Ben Nimmo, author of an excellent guide to spotting bots, fingered a pro-Kremlin troll recently, British media erroneously labeled the account “a bot,” prompting a retired British IT worker to come forward as the account’s owner.)
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Mother Jones - How to Spot a Russian Bot (Original Post) TomCADem Dec 2018 OP
Many on this site Pisces Dec 2018 #1
Gosh, I've never seen anything like that at DU. Have you? Hekate Dec 2018 #2
One thing I have noticed flyingfysh Dec 2018 #3
I've seen them on sites of tarot readers and clairvoyants who are not in agreement fierywoman Dec 2018 #5
I've noticed a steady uptick of posts stirring up shite about Beenie Sanders. CentralMass Dec 2018 #4
Yeah, I saw his "mass email" posted Cha Dec 2018 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author guruoo Dec 2018 #40
Just as a public service. . . 3_Limes Dec 2018 #44
These analyses always omit socks. Modeling destructive, dismissive, pessimistic behavior... FreepFryer Dec 2018 #6
Pro Tip- Snarkoleptic Dec 2018 #7
Yup. Once we have a nominee, that's who you support. Otherwise, you ain't us. (N/t) FreepFryer Dec 2018 #9
Exactly. MFM008 Dec 2018 #42
+100000- you are so right. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #49
There is a Russian bot in the White House! imanamerican63 Dec 2018 #8
There most certainly is Russian Cha Dec 2018 #17
You're all a bunch of Clintonistas SCantiGOP Dec 2018 #10
Saw a meme a while back, "I didn't vote for Trump because the Russians told me to." Girard442 Dec 2018 #11
looks like you are being targeted JI7 Dec 2018 #12
Oh yeah. I knew it. Cha Dec 2018 #14
Just to be clear -- all those terms were used on DU &social media long before the Russians in 2016 aikoaiko Dec 2018 #13
Thanks Mother Jones & Tom.. we should Cha Dec 2018 #15
...the article doesnt include anything in your first paragraph JackInGreen Dec 2018 #18
noticed that Mr. Quackers Dec 2018 #37
Yep, the OP is hoping most people think their first few lines will be interpreted as a summary Quixote1818 Dec 2018 #47
K&R betsuni Dec 2018 #19
THIS !!!! ****"do they just kick attacks on Democrats from the "left"? ***** needs its own sticky uponit7771 Dec 2018 #20
We'll probably just Cha Dec 2018 #21
Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #22
wowow Celerity Dec 2018 #23
That's right here I am.. Cha Dec 2018 #24
Your comments were as harsh as any I've ever seen about her. irresistable Dec 2018 #28
Yes, I know it was harsh.. 10 years ago. Cha Dec 2018 #30
I don't know. irresistable Dec 2018 #31
Yup. dhol82 Dec 2018 #53
Where? N/T lapucelle Dec 2018 #43
You calling me a "Russian Bot", Randifan? Cha Dec 2018 #25
This was alerted on, I called it a bad faith alert. DRoseDARs Dec 2018 #33
Thank You, DRoseDARS.. Cha Dec 2018 #35
Not going to lie, as a Bernie supporter during the primary, the attacks against him and supporters DRoseDARs Dec 2018 #36
Some of Sen. Sanders comments of late have aggravated me ...no lie. But if he is the candidate I Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #51
And this right here is why it's important to remember who we are and what we believe... DRoseDARs Dec 2018 #52
I agree 100%. We have to accept that there is no one candidate or one vision of Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #56
It just amazes me. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #26
So What? Hillary won me over but some Cha Dec 2018 #27
I remember her being referenced with a misogynistic spoonerism TexasTowelie Dec 2018 #34
I remember the 'brick post'. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #50
Where was that? Here? George II Dec 2018 #45
no, that's the usual ugly primary attacks from 2008. the poster has always supported the democratic JI7 Dec 2018 #29
Mahalo, JI7. Cha Dec 2018 #32
I've noticed... Mike Nelson Dec 2018 #38
the OP is a mixture KayF Dec 2018 #39
I noticed that too. Very deceiving. The Mother Jones stuff is well done however. nt Quixote1818 Dec 2018 #46
Youtube comments is full of them. I swear dewsgirl Dec 2018 #41
KICK! Cha Dec 2018 #48
The MJ article doesn't support your premise in your opening paragraphs Fiendish Thingy Dec 2018 #54
I'm sure there will Cha Dec 2018 #55

flyingfysh

(1,990 posts)
3. One thing I have noticed
Fri Dec 28, 2018, 11:56 PM
Dec 2018

It's not just the social sites such as Facebook or Twitter. It is anyplace on the net that allows users to comment about things. I have seen lots of these appear on a comics site (gocomics.com). I always thought it was weird that at almost the instant anyone posted anything against Trump or favorable to Hillary, these "commenters" would appear and proceed with their rants. There are news sites on the net that allow reader comments, and I suspect the same thing is true there.

I would suspect that the Russians have bots watching all sites that allow user comments and are prepared to respond almost instantly.

fierywoman

(7,684 posts)
5. I've seen them on sites of tarot readers and clairvoyants who are not in agreement
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 12:12 AM
Dec 2018

with Spanky Bonespurs. They always seem deranged.

Response to Cha (Reply #16)

3_Limes

(363 posts)
44. Just as a public service. . .
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 02:47 PM
Dec 2018

The value I derive from DU shot up immediately and dramatically once I began trashing each and every thread with "Bernie" in the title. Especially the ones with lots of replies under them, as they seem to be the most fractious.

Just a suggestion that you may want to try. I think you find this becomes a much healthier, saner, and less stress inducing place with that policy in place.

(As always, YMMV)

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
6. These analyses always omit socks. Modeling destructive, dismissive, pessimistic behavior...
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 12:14 AM
Dec 2018

...is a huge part of this and these kinds of analyses always tend to miss that. Perhaps as Americans we fixate on the deception by AI disinformation more than we contemplete the impact of “powerlessness actors” - but such efforts (modeling pessimistic and dissassociative behavior to break political will) are every bit as central to the Russian disinformation effort as false news.

Ask Michael Hastings.

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
7. Pro Tip-
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 12:23 AM
Dec 2018

Fall in love in the primary and fall in line in the general.
This simple strategy will immunize us against Russian bot mischief.

Think of it this way-
If you ask for Pepsi and they offer Coke, don't change your order to bleach.

Now is not the time for infighting. We must end the Trump era, then we can debate (relative) minutia.

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
10. You're all a bunch of Clintonistas
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 12:49 AM
Dec 2018

Except for those who are Third Way corporate globalists.
And I am nyet a bot.

Girard442

(6,075 posts)
11. Saw a meme a while back, "I didn't vote for Trump because the Russians told me to."
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 12:54 AM
Dec 2018

Yup, probably was a Russian bot.

aikoaiko

(34,170 posts)
13. Just to be clear -- all those terms were used on DU &social media long before the Russians in 2016
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 01:55 AM
Dec 2018

The Third Way is still around and the DLC was a real thing until 2011 when it was bought up by a foundation.

Not that everything thing the Third Way or DLC did or stood for was wrong, but reasonable Democratics can take issue with them.

As far as corporatism goes, that is a real political ideology.

But yes, Clintonista is a pejorative.

Cha

(297,257 posts)
15. Thanks Mother Jones & Tom.. we should
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 02:10 AM
Dec 2018

keep this KICKED THROUGHOUT!

Keep the Russian botulism at bay.

Quixote1818

(28,942 posts)
47. Yep, the OP is hoping most people think their first few lines will be interpreted as a summary
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 07:34 PM
Dec 2018

or the article when in fact the article doesn't touch on any of what they wrote.

Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Celerity

(43,389 posts)
23. wowow
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 12:43 AM
Dec 2018

poster on that thread, throwing seriously nasty anti-Clinton shade

and still around (right here in this very thread)

Cha

(297,257 posts)
24. That's right here I am..
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 04:37 AM
Dec 2018

some love to dredge that up to try and embarrass me. .. it's been done many times before. Didn't work then and it's not working now.





 

irresistable

(989 posts)
28. Your comments were as harsh as any I've ever seen about her.
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 05:08 AM
Dec 2018

That being said, I thought that hiring her as SOS was a masterstroke by Obama.

It is disorientating to watch Obama and his former cabinet members and associates speak in public now. The contrast between the intelligence and reason of the previous administration and the insanity of the current one is astonishing.

If Hillary had won, the Republicans would have made her life hell. As long as Republicans hold any of the branches of government, life is hell.

Cha

(297,257 posts)
30. Yes, I know it was harsh.. 10 years ago.
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 05:18 AM
Dec 2018

Some people are able to evolve and learn along the way.

I think Hillary could have handled the gop just fine.. I wish she had been given the chance. Who knows we might have had Blue Wave Midterms 2018 still to give her a Democratic House Majority.

 

irresistable

(989 posts)
31. I don't know.
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 05:30 AM
Dec 2018

Trump would have hammered Hillary from the outside with his new network, and would have claimed that she stole the election. He would be spewing lies, and creating stunts and the MSM would have continued to cash in by showcasing him.

Also, the MSM would have been scrutinizing and second-guessing her at every turn.

If she ran and won NOW, she would have a much better chance of getting fair treatment.

 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
33. This was alerted on, I called it a bad faith alert.
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 05:48 AM
Dec 2018

I've long maintained the jury system is broken, far too easy to abuse both by those issuing alerts and by juries who can't separate themselves from the case before them. I've always tried to be fair and impartial, and when I find I can't I decline.

 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
36. Not going to lie, as a Bernie supporter during the primary, the attacks against him and supporters
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 06:24 AM
Dec 2018

...absolutely disgust me, but again, that wasn't what I was being asked to mull over. That post stood accused of name-calling a fellow poster and from what I could see it was nothing of the sort. I do need to point out, though, calling out by name another poster is generally avoid if not outright prohibited for just this reason. I'd advise skipping those keystrokes in the future, just for a layer of protection.

Until an individual is exposed with the receipts of their payment in rubles, I, you, and everyone else here have to operate under the assumption that the person we're arguing with on the other side of the screen is not, in fact, a Russian bot just because they disagree with our personal position or didn't support our personal candidate at such and such time.

People keep forgetting that sowing discord was the biggest part of this Russian psyops campaign against the United States and still fucking is. They didn't stop, and won't stop until they're made to stop. We have to be smarter than that and remember that disagreements are part of a healthy democracy. Primaries are, always have been, and always will be passionate affairs. And a healthy democracy needs a battle of ideas, not of personal identities or who is properly a member of what party. With the exception of maybe 3 senate Democrats, Bernie has voted against Trump more than the rest of said party. That fuckwit (D, yes, D) from W.Virginia has voted *with* Trump of 60% of the time. "But Bernie isn't a Democrat." I'm so fucking tired of hearing that. You fell behind Hillary in '16, you fell behind Obama in '08, you'll fall behind whoever is the DemNom in '20. Even if that's Bernie (which it won't be, even I'd rather it not be at this point). This in-fighting shit among good people is fucking obnoxious, and exactly what Russia wants. It's hilarious among the conservatives, because their ideas are shit and they are shit for having them (or possibly planted by the Russians, just like they attacked the left with similar tactics). But we at least want better for everyone, including the conservatives even when they spit in our faces.

Demsrule86

(68,578 posts)
51. Some of Sen. Sanders comments of late have aggravated me ...no lie. But if he is the candidate I
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 08:13 PM
Dec 2018

will give my all to help him get elected. I will work as hard as I can...we must defeat Trump. I will campaign for untiringly and vote for any person who wins the Democratic nomination...I hope all who read this are with me!

 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
52. And this right here is why it's important to remember who we are and what we believe...
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 09:08 PM
Dec 2018

She may not have been the preferred candidate for a segment of the left, but she represented enough of our collective ideas to be chosen to represent us in the general election*. In the end, that's all that matters in a candidate. We'll never have a perfect candidate, or one we can all agree on. That's the antithesis of a robust and healthy democracy. There must be debate and difference. We take those ideas forward into the next round, ever-striving to be better.



*Which, frankly, she won if not for the myriad chicanery. I wonder if we, as a plurality of the nation, will ever come to terms with the fact that the 2016 was not legitimate. 2000 and 2004 were stolen outright through electronic election fraud but we don't talk about that, indeed those voices were silenced here because we didn't want to appear nutty to the outside world. Despite the fact this site was founded on that not-unfounded belief. It was stunning when that directive came down from on-high, but whatever. The 21st Century is not off to a good start if we can't be honest about how it started. Democracy doesn't survive if you're not willing to defend it to the fullest from threats within and without.

Demsrule86

(68,578 posts)
56. I agree 100%. We have to accept that there is no one candidate or one vision of
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 02:43 PM
Dec 2018

progressivism that must adhered to by all candidates. There will be no savior for us. We must save ourselves by putting aside petty differences and voting for all Democratic candidates in general elections. We must literally save our country from Trump and the corrupt, morally compromised Republicans.

Cha

(297,257 posts)
27. So What? Hillary won me over but some
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 05:03 AM
Dec 2018

can't get over it.. still stuck in 2008. 10 years ago and still trying to embarrass me. It didn't work then and it's not working now.

President Obama, Hillary, and I have all moved on from 2008.

TexasTowelie

(112,209 posts)
34. I remember her being referenced with a misogynistic spoonerism
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 05:54 AM
Dec 2018

and that insult was defended by some members at DU. Comparatively, that seems a lot worse.

JI7

(89,250 posts)
29. no, that's the usual ugly primary attacks from 2008. the poster has always supported the democratic
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 05:15 AM
Dec 2018

nominee. so that is the total opposite of the russian bots.

Mike Nelson

(9,956 posts)
38. I've noticed...
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 06:41 AM
Dec 2018

… Twitter and Facebook "bots" have added Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to their campaign. They target her intelligence. I don't agree with everything she does, but she's smart and likable. I still see a lot of posts about the Obamas, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi... it helps if you alert these posts... they create and/or share them... some are so obviously disgusting they are taken down quickly.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
41. Youtube comments is full of them. I swear
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 07:25 AM
Dec 2018

Some are posting videos, if this is a possibility. I swear more than half of Youtube is Russian propaganda in some form or another.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,619 posts)
54. The MJ article doesn't support your premise in your opening paragraphs
Sun Dec 30, 2018, 11:02 PM
Dec 2018

Hidden agenda much?

I think fact based critiques of candidates' connections to a Neoliberalism, Third Way, the banksters and other 1%er special interests is essential to a primary process to select the candidate best suited to not only win in 2020, but to govern effectively in the interests of the 99%.

Cha

(297,257 posts)
55. I'm sure there will
Mon Dec 31, 2018, 01:11 AM
Dec 2018

be those who will spout their tired old clichés at our Democratic Party that is now the Democratic Blue Wave Majority.. that gives us the invaluable chance to hold the Traitor in the White House Accountable.

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