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applegrove

(118,665 posts)
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 03:11 AM Dec 2018

Trump is keeping the government shut down over an immigration crisis that doesn't exist

By SCOTT MARTELLE

Trump is keeping the government shut down over an immigration crisis that doesn't exist

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/la-ol-2-enter-the-fray-trump-again-tries-to-blame-democrats-for-1545948677-htmlstory.html

"SNIP....

“The president has made clear that any bill to fund the government must adequately fund border security to stop the flow of illegal drugs, criminals, MS-13 gang members, child smugglers and human traffickers into our communities — and protect the American people,” the White House said, adding: “The administration understands this crisis and made a reasonable, common-sense solution to Democrats five days ago — we've not received a single response.”

But the administration clearly doesn’t understand “this crisis,” because it doesn’t exist.

Illegal immigration is at its lowest level in a decade. Young families are arriving at the border in larger numbers — while still constituting a sliver of the overall flow of migrants — but a wall built at some point in the future won’t do anything to fix that. (To its credit, the administration has made small yet positive steps to invest more in Central American governments and economies.)

The vast majority of drugs and other contraband smuggled into the country come through ports of entry, or via tunnels dug under existing walls and fences. Covering more border with a wall — or making it 30 feet tall, as the president wants — doesn’t address either of those smuggling routes.

The reality of the situation — which Trump eschews with reckless abandon — is that most people living in the U.S. without legal status enter the country with permission, and then don’t leave. Not much role for a wall there, either. Do some walk across? Certainly — and then often give themselves up to border agents and seek asylum.


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Trump is keeping the government shut down over an immigration crisis that doesn't exist (Original Post) applegrove Dec 2018 OP
Not to mention the kids incarcerated and the Dreamers in limbo. All crisis applegrove Dec 2018 #1
He's probably keeping it shut down because of the investigations into his shraby Dec 2018 #2
i want a moat with gondolas Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #3
I Hear Ya! maddiemom Dec 2018 #10
He has been lying about this so consistently for so long that it has become reality for the RW LuckyLib Dec 2018 #4
I went over to freerepublic today... Grasswire2 Dec 2018 #5
that's brill; he should just lie that he got the money AlexSFCA Dec 2018 #7
the only issue he can campaign on is fake AlexSFCA Dec 2018 #6
Desperately shoring up his base since immigration is top of their list in importance wishstar Dec 2018 #8
K & R SunSeeker Dec 2018 #9
Fake crisis (R) Achilleaze Dec 2018 #11
He's a terrorist. kentuck Dec 2018 #12
Just wait until they can't buy a chicken sandwich... Phentex Dec 2018 #13
They'll issue temporary visas with no chance at citizenship. Like Saudi Arabia. applegrove Dec 2018 #14

applegrove

(118,665 posts)
1. Not to mention the kids incarcerated and the Dreamers in limbo. All crisis
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 03:13 AM
Dec 2018

created by Stephen Mil.....I mean Trump. Upping the crisis factor. Kids. They are using kids.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
2. He's probably keeping it shut down because of the investigations into his
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 03:19 AM
Dec 2018

business in New York. The SDNY is a government entity and as such may be shut down for the duration.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,347 posts)
3. i want a moat with gondolas
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 03:23 AM
Dec 2018

And water lilies.
And koi.
Some catfish would be nice, too.
Maybe some of those zig-zag bridges like the Japanese have over garden ponds.

Charge those evil brown people a buck a boatload and then you'll see real immigration control!
Yes, sir, make 'em work it off.
It's a good, sound, business solution.

Make Republicans pay for it all. gopermoatgofundme

LuckyLib

(6,819 posts)
4. He has been lying about this so consistently for so long that it has become reality for the RW
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 03:28 AM
Dec 2018

and MSM rarely lays it out as lie after lie after lie. Using Mexicans and Central Americans as scapegoats for his sick propaganda. The Trump Crime Family is on the ropes and he's trying everything he can to keep the focus on Latinos.

Grasswire2

(13,570 posts)
5. I went over to freerepublic today...
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 03:50 AM
Dec 2018

...to see what they are saying, and they totally believe that he has signed an order for new wall construction. They are rejoicing over it. Fully propagandized, living in an alternate reality.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
7. that's brill; he should just lie that he got the money
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 03:52 AM
Dec 2018

and the wall is being built. I mean if his supporters beleive in qanon, pizzagate, bitherism, etc. lying about the wall is a piece of cake.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
6. the only issue he can campaign on is fake
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 03:50 AM
Dec 2018

Imagine if gets the wall, nothing at all changes in terms of illegal immigration and he’ll claim major improvement.

wishstar

(5,269 posts)
8. Desperately shoring up his base since immigration is top of their list in importance
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 04:06 AM
Dec 2018

Personally and politically he is in great peril as investigations are closing in. His only hope for survival is to keep his strong base of support who fall for his fear mongering over the border. Without his rabid base, he is in danger of Senate Republicans turning on him.

kentuck

(111,098 posts)
12. He's a terrorist.
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 06:47 AM
Dec 2018

"Give me what I want and I won't shut down the government. Give me what I want or I will destroy your economy. Give me what I want or I will destroy everything you have..."

Phentex

(16,334 posts)
13. Just wait until they can't buy a chicken sandwich...
Sat Dec 29, 2018, 11:36 AM
Dec 2018

or get their lawns done for cheap. Then we'll see who wants a wall.

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