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(2,270 posts)I know quite a few "illegal's" and believe it of not, most of the one's I know are from South Africa. They come on H2B visa's and then just stay. But they are probably safe. they are white after all.
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)They knock on front door & we lock 'em up. Some hospitality, Trump, you racist mf.
djacq
(1,634 posts)Clash City Rocker
(3,396 posts)I believe it was estimated at 40% awhile back, and many people think the percentage has gone up since, as there has been more attention paid to border security, but where did you get 2/3?
CCExile
(468 posts)Let's not succumb to the hyperbole trap!
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)That report estimated visa overstays in 2014 accounted for 42 percent of the total undocumented population, or about 4.5 million people. It also projected that overstays made up about two-thirds of the total number of people who became unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. that year.
So there is some rationale for the claim of 2/3.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Response to pdsimdars (Reply #7)
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maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Both her parents had been born in the U.S.A., but their families had been living (and were landowners) in Canada for some years when they met. My grandmother even taught school there for a while. They came back to the U.S. when Mom was a small child, in the early decades of the twentieth century when citizenship details seem to have not been treated much differently than if they'd moved within the States. Mom was nearly thirty, married with children, when she tried to cross the border for a day trip and admitted that she'd been born in Saskatchewan. As a result she had to come back (they let her in for the day) and had to go through the whole U.S. citizenship procedure. My grandparents had been going back and forth to visit relatives for years and it was never an issue for them, both having been born in the U.S.A.
Iggo
(47,552 posts)crazytown
(7,277 posts)But in the end, the facts dont matter, its about emotion. If you make people fearful enough, they can equate a physically unconstrained border with leaving the back door open to their house - anyone can walk in.
Roy Rolling
(6,917 posts)Why have we not heard that when the issue is being discussed in media?
One word: framing.
When the framing is "dirty (brown) immigrants" , never is the word "visa" mentioned. Never
Narratives are a media missile of misinformation aimed at the audience via the broadcaster. We are in a media war, we must recognize the enemy.
To mount a counter-offensive, every time immigration disobedience is mentioned, it should be questioned, "do you mean border crossers or visa violators? Because visa lawbreakers are 70% of the "illegals".
Any debate after that will stay within the boundaries you now control.
However, I think it will be too difficult for them to understand.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,342 posts)ROB-ROX
(767 posts)My father's parents crossed the border "legally" in the 1920. Both Mexican parents crossed with lots of money. My grandfather crossed at El Paso$$$ My grandmother left at Porta Viarita with "lots" of money$$$ My mother's father came from Wales with "no"money. My Mexican grandfather was 25% Irish. His grandfather was born in Ireland. None of my Mexican cousins look Mexican and I have Japanese American cousins.....The family picnic is very diverse....People who make it to the border should be given immigration papers so they can work and pay taxes.......HAPPY NEW YEAR