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Sat Dec 29, 2018, 07:01 AM

The logic escapes them...

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Reply The logic escapes them... (Original post)
Soph0571 Dec 2018 OP
BigOleDummy Dec 2018 #1
rickyhall Dec 2018 #2
djacq Dec 2018 #3
Clash City Rocker Dec 2018 #4
CCExile Dec 2018 #5
FreepFryer Dec 2018 #6
reACTIONary Dec 2018 #12
pdsimdars Dec 2018 #7
maddiemom Dec 2018 #10
maddiemom Dec 2018 #13
Iggo Dec 2018 #16
crazytown Dec 2018 #8
Roy Rolling Dec 2018 #9
Phentex Dec 2018 #11
Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #14
ROB-ROX Dec 2018 #15

Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 07:45 AM

1. Its true

I know quite a few "illegal's" and believe it of not, most of the one's I know are from South Africa. They come on H2B visa's and then just stay. But they are probably safe. they are white after all.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 07:48 AM

2. The people aren't illegal.

They knock on front door & we lock 'em up. Some hospitality, Trump, you racist mf.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 08:29 AM

4. Do we have evidence that it's 2/3?

I believe it was estimated at 40% awhile back, and many people think the percentage has gone up since, as there has been more attention paid to border security, but where did you get 2/3?

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Response to Clash City Rocker (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 08:41 AM

5. Good question.

Let's not succumb to the hyperbole trap!

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Response to CCExile (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 09:01 AM

6. I recently looked at the research and the prevailing view is overstays @ around 50% and increasing.

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Response to Clash City Rocker (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 10:38 AM

12. From the politifact article posted above ....

https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2018/aug/24/kevin-mccarthy/mostly-true-visa-overstays-account-half-all-people/

That report estimated visa overstays in 2014 accounted for 42 percent of the total undocumented population, or about 4.5 million people. It also projected that overstays made up about two-thirds of the total number of people who became unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. that year.


So there is some rationale for the claim of 2/3.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 09:51 AM

7. AND . .. most of them are Canadians

 

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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 10:52 AM

13. Actually my late mother WAS a Canadian illegal alien.

Both her parents had been born in the U.S.A., but their families had been living (and were landowners) in Canada for some years when they met. My grandmother even taught school there for a while. They came back to the U.S. when Mom was a small child, in the early decades of the twentieth century when citizenship details seem to have not been treated much differently than if they'd moved within the States. Mom was nearly thirty, married with children, when she tried to cross the border for a day trip and admitted that she'd been born in Saskatchewan. As a result she had to come back (they let her in for the day) and had to go through the whole U.S. citizenship procedure. My grandparents had been going back and forth to visit relatives for years and it was never an issue for them, both having been born in the U.S.A.

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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 03:15 PM

16. But they're white.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 09:55 AM

8. The difference is, somebody getting a visa will undergo a criminal background check.

But in the end, the facts donít matter, itís about emotion. If you make people fearful enough, they can equate a physically unconstrained border with leaving the back door open to their house - anyone can walk in.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 10:06 AM

9. Bigger question

Why have we not heard that when the issue is being discussed in media?

One word: framing.

When the framing is "dirty (brown) immigrants" , never is the word "visa" mentioned. Never

Narratives are a media missile of misinformation aimed at the audience via the broadcaster. We are in a media war, we must recognize the enemy.

To mount a counter-offensive, every time immigration disobedience is mentioned, it should be questioned, "do you mean border crossers or visa violators? Because visa lawbreakers are 70% of the "illegals".

Any debate after that will stay within the boundaries you now control.

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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 10:25 AM

11. yes!

However, I think it will be too difficult for them to understand.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 03:06 PM

15. Both my parents are first generation Americans

My father's parents crossed the border "legally" in the 1920. Both Mexican parents crossed with lots of money. My grandfather crossed at El Paso$$$ My grandmother left at Porta Viarita with "lots" of money$$$ My mother's father came from Wales with "no"money. My Mexican grandfather was 25% Irish. His grandfather was born in Ireland. None of my Mexican cousins look Mexican and I have Japanese American cousins.....The family picnic is very diverse....People who make it to the border should be given immigration papers so they can work and pay taxes.......HAPPY NEW YEAR

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