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Sat Dec 29, 2018, 07:13 AM

Federal employees can't take vacations during a furlough, unless your name is Jared or Ivanka

Now that Donald Trump has shut down the government— “proudly” he said---in a vain attempt to fund his 2,000 mile beaded curtain, millions of people are suffering. Some more than others. If you are a federal employee lucky enough not to be furloughed, the United States Office of Personnel Management has made it pretty clear that vacations are a no-go during a furlough.

But Trump’s feckless, Antoinette imbeciles are either too dense or just too out-of-touch to care. To use John Kelly’s words, they are just “playing government”, so they figure the rules don’t apply.
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It’s true that Jared and Ivanka are “unpaid” for their roles---unless you count the $82 million they made in outside income since taking their positions. (Funny how that happened.) But they are still bound by the same ethics rules as everyone else. If you are going to profit so handsomely for being complicit and doing absolutely nothing, the very least you could do is follow the same damn rules that actual dedicated civil servants are following.


[link:https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/12/28/1822214/-Federal-employees-can-t-take-vacations-during-a-furlough-unless-your-name-is-Jared-or-Ivanka?utm_campaign=recent|

Of COURSE they don't have to follow the rules - Princess Pushy and Prince Prat

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Reply Federal employees can't take vacations during a furlough, unless your name is Jared or Ivanka (Original post)
Soph0571 Dec 2018 OP
PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2018 #1
marybourg Dec 2018 #2
PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2018 #3
mopinko Dec 2018 #4
onenote Dec 2018 #5

Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 07:42 AM

1. I would say that the up side would be that in the end you'll get paid,

and you'll still have vacation time accrued.

Not to make light of the furlough. Still, there must have been at least several thousand employees who were already off on scheduled vacations at the time the furlough took effect.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 07:51 AM

2. Or had one planned, possibly even paid for,

for the holiday week.

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Response to marybourg (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 08:34 AM

3. Yes. I suppose if you'd already taken off for that

week paid in advance in Tahiti or whatever, they couldn't really make you come back home, could they? Especially if you're a relatively low level employee, say a clerk at the IRS.

I did hear a piece on NPR a day or two before the shut down, and one of the people briefly profiled was a man who works (as a guard I think, although the specific job probably isn't important) in the federal prison system. He'd already planned a hunting vacation with his family. Not sure just how much was paid for in advance and couldn't be refunded, which again, while important isn't the only point. It's the disruption of plans.

Meanwhile, Trump is making a big deal about how he's staying in the White House, sacrificing his planned vacation in Florida, as if he's actually being deprived of something.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 09:26 AM

4. how does he have the authority to do that?

on what legal basis does he tell federal employees what to do if they arent on the job?

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 09:57 AM

5. If you read the OMB Directive linked in the article, you'll see that the headline is hyperbole

There are a number of categories of federal employees who are not subject to being furloughed and who also are not subject to leave policies, including political appointees.

Whether such employees should voluntarily forego vacations during a shutdown is a different question. Moreover, a number of government agencies were previously funded and thus remain operational. Employees of those agencies can take vacations and I think that's entirely appropriate.

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/furlough-guidance/guidance-for-shutdown-furloughs.pdf

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