A question about Individual 1 hanging around the White House.

[TexasProgresive]

If I understand it correctly the Secret Service agents are working without pay and their certainly won't be any money to house them at one of tRump's properties. So my question; Does tRump feel forced to stay in the White House because he doesn't trust his body guards to take a bullet for him without pay?

[Quemado]

1. Unpaid agents guarding unindicted co-conspirator.

Now there's a headline!

[empedocles]

3. Good.

[irisblue]

2. I suspect the photos of unpaid SecSer Agents & Coast Guard ships are a bigger problem

[Auggie]

4. Seriously? No ...

it's just for looks. Meanwhile, with everybody gone, he can finally pilfer the good silverware.

[marble falls]

5. Does he even trust him with pay?

[PatSeg]

6. If I were Trump,

I wouldn't trust anyone at this point, but I have a feeling that he doesn't. His paranoia has to be off the charts right now.

[EffieBlack]

7. No

[getagrip_already]

8. Where do you folks come up with this?

Any on-duty secret service agent will be defined as essential and will be paid. period.

Same with the coast guard. Non-essential personnel will be furloughed. If you work, you get a paycheck.

[lark]

9. That''s not what I read.

WaPo clearly stated that some federal ee were considered essential and will continue working without pay.

[getagrip_already]

10. bs....

Find me ONE actual federal worker who is compelled to work without pay. They don't exist.

Contractors who work get paid. Employees who work get paid. If they can't be paid, they are furloughed.

Corporate media gets this wrong all the time. Probably intentionally.

All agencies have funds set aside for shutdowns. These are appropriated and budgeted by congress. They are intended to keep essential services running during a shutdown. Sure, the funds will eventually run out, at which point congress will authorize more, or the people will be furloughed.

[Nevilledog]

12. You're wrong.

My friend in an Assistant U.S. Attorney in Vegas. His position is deemed essential and he is working WITHOUT PAY. He just started at this position in November. He's dipping into his savings to live.

[lark]

13. Thank you.

I am 100% sure you are correct and the other person is wrong, just stating an opinion, not the real facts. Thanks for standing up for facts and refuting fake news.

[getagrip_already]

16. not so fast.....

I'm not saying you are wrong, but it doesn't square with my personal experience.

Look, I've worked through more than one shutdown. I was a contractor, and since I was deemed essential I got paid. Other contractors weren't and were furloughed.

But here's the nut. I worked alongside guvies in multiple agencies. I asked them if they were being paid.

Every guvvie I asked, at all levels, were getting paid.

I'll believe my own ears before some random screen name. But if you find a media report that gives someone real name and agency, I'll consider altering my viewpoint. Until then, it's trump news.

Btw, I'm not discounting the reality that some guvvies will keep showing up to work even if they aren't being paid. But that would be a local policy decision to let them. At the agencies I worked at, you couldn't get on-site unless you were approved to work.

There are multiple federal laws that require workers to be paid. The gov't isn't exempt from them.

After-thought edit: I'm not trying to diminish the impacts of the shutdown in any way. The number of people typically determined to be "essential" is usually a very small percentage of the total agencies workforce. It includes, security, IT, senior leadership, critical functions like intelligence analysis, etc. But overall, it is a very small portion of any agency.

And for the SS in particular, think about the impacts. Agents frequently need to travel on commercial airlines and stay in expensive hotels. If their expenses don't get covered, what Gx agent could afford $5k/week in travel expenses? They couldn't do their jobs, which is why congress sets aside money so they can during a shutdown.

[getagrip_already]

21. you should try reading those articles.....

They don't actually say what you claim. Read between the lines if you can. They never say workers doing actual work aren't getting paychecks. Some are deferred until 1/1, but they will get paid.

You really shouldn't cut and paste links without reading them......

[tblue37]

19. I am going to use My 30,000th post to straighten you out.

Both my son & my daughter-in-law are State Department employees and considered essential. Both must work; neither gets paid during a shutdown.

Yes, they will get back pay eventually (almost certainly), but right now, no.

Many federal employees, both essential and nonessential, will suffer without an on time paycheck. Furthermore, furloughed employees are not guaranteed back pay, though probably (NOT certainly) they will get it.

Federal employees that work as contractors, though (and there are many) will not get any back pay.

[tblue37]

20. My son and his wife (State Department). That's two. nt

[TexasProgresive]

11. I was not questioning the dedication of the agents

I was trying to get into tRump's mind, and boy is that a scary place.

[Claritie Pixie]

14. No. He's staying because he believes it benefits him politically.

He gets to play victim, all alone, suffering - tweeting that Dems are to blame for HIS shutdown. He wants to do as much damage as he can to Pelosi (which won't work) before she takes that gavel.

[Vinca]

15. Who in their right mind would take a bullet for him WITH pay??

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

17. First, they're not working without pay. Maybe the payday is deferred, but it's coming.

Second, a paycheck is probably not a prime motivator for these agents. Duty, honor, and maybe the chance to party with Colombian hookers in fancy hotels, those are motivators.