Trump is an idiot for not wrapping up the Continuing Resolution

[MineralMan]

and funding the government. He held out, in a completely futile way, for his stupid-ass wall. Before the beginning of 2019, he had both houses of Congress on his side. A naked CR, without the funding for the wall, would have easily been passed by both houses. He squelched that over his dumb-ass wall. As of January 3, 2019, he no longer has a cooperative House of Representatives. The Democratic house will easily pass a simple Continuing Resolution, minus the wall, as would the Republican Senate. If Trump won't sign that, the shutdown is 100% on him.

The Democratic House will NOT give him his wall, but will pass a CR. In fact, they'll do that right away and send it to the Senate, which will almost certainly pass it as well. No wall. Just funding for government operations. That's what the CR bill should be in any case. Trump's in a snit. He may veto such a bill and continue the shutdown, all over his stupid Wall.

He is going to absolutely OWN this shutdown. It is, and will be, on his head. How long will he maintain that shutdown? Who can say? Perhaps until he is impeached and removed by the new Congress. Now, that's something I would enjoy seeing.

[malaise]

1. Trump is an idiot

PERIOD!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

18. my first thought on seeing the title

MineralMan worked too hard on the title.

[AZ8theist]

21. yeah right?

I love Minerals stuff, but this could have been:

Trump is an idiot for: ________________________________(fill in the blank)

[malaise]

23. Mineral Man gets a pass since he was making bigger point

[AZ8theist]

28. oh absolutely...

But we could have an entire new discussion taking years describing ALL of the idiocy of Doturd....

[malaise]

30. I think my signature line says it all

[AZ8theist]

35. well yes, but...

Associating Doturd with pig shit gives pig shit a bad name...

[malaise]

37. True

[democratisphere]

27. Answer: "everything"!

[SWBTATTReg]

2. You said best on impeachmt & removal: Now, that's something I would enjoy seeing. nt

[lancelyons]

3. I hate that the media doesnt portray it this way.

I hate that the media doesnt portray it this way.

they seem to think that its the dems job to give in or they are also guilty of the government shutdown.

[RKP5637]

4. He's a stupid ignorant bully completely out of his league. Plus, he's demented, as well as

having no idea what he's doing. Plus, he has no concept of the consequences of his actions. And, is a piss-poor negotiator. Where I've worked in major corporations he would have been thrown out long ago as a complete loser.

[MineralMan]

5. Yes, those things too.

Absolutely.

[malaise]

25. Could not say it better

Sub par is too good for this loser

[Achilleaze]

6. Why don't Dem spokesfolk pound him on Mexico $$$$

Why hold US taxpayers hostage? The republicans promised Mexico would pay for it. Now he wants $5 billion of our tax money to pay for it? Bullshit. He needs to shut up, let America be America, and stick to his stupid promise to make Mexico pay for his stupid wall.

[MineralMan]

7. This will all receive more coverage next week.

That this all coincided with the Christmas/New Years Day holidays has cut down on coverage. The new congress begins on Thursday. It's going to be an interesting week after that, I think. The following week will be when things actually come together and happen.

[RainCaster]

8. What if there is a veto - proof majority in both houses?

Can he be forced to sign this CR?

[MineralMan]

9. If there are enough votes to override a veto, it doesn't matter.

Whether or not he signs it, it can become law. However, I don't believe we have that in the Senate or the House, actually.

[CreekDog]

17. it would have to get 20 Republicans in the Senate and 56 in the House to vote for it

I think that's a tall order.

Plus, I think using history as a guide, that Mitch McConnell won't bring it up for a vote.

[liberaltrucker]

10. Subject line is 7 words too long

[MineralMan]

11. LOL! You might be right.

[Jarqui]

12. I was about to post ... the first four words will suffice nt

[BamaRefugee]

13. Are you sure about passing in the Republican Senate? Miss Lindsey tweeted this just yesterday...

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[paleotn]

22. 15 of 53 Republicans is all we need.

Scarlet's assistance isn't needed.

[unblock]

29. Would it even get a floor vote?

Surely mcturtle can kill it even if it would pass a floor vote...?

[paleotn]

34. procedural vote...

Only needs 60 votes. 13 Republicans out of 53 are all we need. Once the attention of the populace is back on national politics and not the holidays, I think the Dems can sway at least 13 Republicans. McConnell can block a vote for only so long before his position becomes more and more untenable.

[unblock]

36. I just don't like counting on republicans to buck their leadership

One or two of them, sure.

But 13?


Well, I'm fairly confident this will end with Donnie caving, or, more accurately, stomping off in a petulant rant while claiming a victory that doesn't exist.

I don't really see republicans joining democrats to outright defy Donnie and mcturtle.

[paleotn]

24. Bad math. We only need 13 of 53.

Scarlet can still go pound sand.

[leftieNanner]

14. If the CR passes the House and the Senate in January

and Ass Face vetoes it, then the Congress can vote to overturn his veto. This will open up the government again and AF will look weak AND stupid.

And ultimately, I think that the evidence will make it nearly impossible for the House to impeach and the Senate to boot him.

please oh please oh please oh please....

[LiberalLovinLug]

15. How long? As long as the white millionaire hosts on Fox News tell him to

They are catering to the same demographic. The only difference is that Fox News can survive very nicely with the deplorables, racists, and the ignorant who like to watch a blond sex bunny tell them what to think (sadly). But that is not a big enough demographic to guarantee an election win. Sure, they also cheat, and use enemies of the US against their competition, but Trump needs more than that this time.

[Gothmog]

16. Trump is an idiot

Trump only cares about his base

[paleotn]

19. I agree. McConnell is no fool...

He could lose control of a significant portion of his caucus if he doesn't bring it to the floor. It will pass the Senate.

[zaj]

20. "as would the Republican Senate"... don't be sure

The Senate passed it with the support of Trump. He changed his mind, and without his support, they might feel pressure to hold out too.

[gulliver]

26. He may think a wall fight will save him from the avalanche heading his way.

[MineralMan]

32. It won't.

[Still In Wisconsin]

31. Didn't McConnell pretty much say he wouldn't bring anything to the floor without Trump's support?

I could be wrong on that, but as I remember Mitch said anything Trump wasn't fully behind was a non-starter.

[MineralMan]

33. Wait and watch.

[tritsofme]

38. It will be up to minority House Republicans to decide when this ends.

They will be the only bloc capable of upholding Trump’s veto. The real question will be how long until enough break away to join in an override and reopen the government?