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Drop it into any conversation about the wall you might find yourself facing. Even friendly ones.
Who said it?
George S. Patton.
Kaleva
(36,307 posts)"Germans were completely astonished at American approach on the battlefield. Generaloberst Johannes Blaskowitz, C.O of Armeegruppe G, is not gentle in his review of Patton's decision to launch a headlong attack straight into the fortifications of Metz:
"A direct attack on Metz was unnecessary....in contrast a swerve northward in the direction of Luxemburg and Bitburg would have met with greater success and caused our 1st Army's right flank collapsed followed by the breakdown of our 7th Army."
Famous military strategist Liddel Hart remarked laconically,
"Patton's 3rd Army began to cross the Moselle as early as 5 September, yet was little farther forward 2 weeks later - or indeed two months later.""
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Metz#Aftermath
Red Mountain
(1,733 posts)but it may have been after Metz.
No doubt the delay helped the German war effort. Ultimately, it didn't matter.
Short of it is.....strategic German victory, tactical allied victory.
Will Trump's wall fare better?
https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/daily/wwii/pattons-saar-offensive-breaking-through-the-western-wall/
A number of factors contributed to Third Armys protracted battle in Lorraine. One factor was that Patton had, from the outset, misjudged the enemys morale, which remained strong despite obvious shortcomings in manpower, training, and war-fighting equipment.
Another factor was Pattons persistence in spreading out his forcesboth in trying to cross the Moselle River in September and also in trying to punch through the West Wall in Decemberin hopes of finding a hole or weak spot in the enemy line. Instead, he should have concentrated his divisions in one powerful column to overwhelm the Germans in a specific location. Still another factor was the acute shortage of riflemen as Third Armys infantry had to carry the weight of the battle on its shoulders both in reducing the Metz forts and also in attempting to clear the outerworks of the West Wall.
One factor completely beyond Pattons control was the dismal weather. Exceptionally heavy rains over the three and a half months that Third Army fought in Lorraine produced flooded rivers, soggy terrain, and record numbers of trench foot cases among the infantry in their wet, freezing foxholes. Largely restricted to roads, the armor was unable to exploit opportunities that arose.
Lorraine was certainly not the high point of Pattons career, for he relished the swift advance and despised costly set-piece battles. The proof is in the numbers. It took Pattons troops more than three months to advance 60 miles at the cost of 50,000 troops.
Nevertheless, during the static slugfest, Pattons Third Army wore down the enemy, which suffered 180,000 casualties trying to prevent one of the most aggressive Allied commanders from achieving a breakthrough on the southern end of the Western Front. Unable to maneuver around the enemys main force, Pattons Third Army had no choice but to trade punches with the German First Army until the German counterattack in the Ardennes put an end to the fighting in Lorraine.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Impassable, unbreakable.
Recommended.
brush
(53,782 posts)And the US is bordered by oceans.
Extend the wall down to the sea bed?
All part of motivating with fear. The GOP's preferred method.
brush
(53,782 posts)And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
trump doesn't know the Bible from Adam and the evangelicals keep giving this guy mulligan's for his many sins.
Fake Christians.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)A very stable genius can do anything.
Except get elected legitimately.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)NotASurfer
(2,150 posts)they can only be monumental compensation for the shortcomings of their proponents
Defense is not the goal. Gigantic memorial is the idea. Somebody fears they will be historically insignificant I think, and wants something that will survive their personal erasure
FuzzyRabbit
(1,967 posts)Donald Trump wants "Trump's Wall" to be a lasting memorial to himself, reminding people for centuries of his immense greatness.
NotASurfer
(2,150 posts)And he's getting desperate. The original boast was solid, sturdy concrete, with the potential in a dry climate to stubbornly persist for a thousand years even if abandoned
Steel slats are easily bypassed, less imposing, more prone to decay, and targets to be cut down and recycled if abandoned. He's trying to get something - anything - while he can still gaze upon it with satisfaction at having a legacy he feels is worthy
pangaia
(24,324 posts)hunter
(38,315 posts)It's people who had the misfortune of being born in places that suck who are seeking something better.
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..."
It's not an invasion of Nazis. We already have plenty enough of them here.
Red Mountain
(1,733 posts)Just attempting to frame the wall into a format that might result in a little critical thought on the part of our Trump loving citizens.
A little doubt can go a long way when it's reinforced daily.