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What if the Obstruction Was the Collusion? On the New York Timess Latest BombshellBy Benjamin Wittes Friday, January 11, 2019, 8:43 PM
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What is the significance of all of this? I have two big takeaways.
First, if this analysis is correct, it mostlythough not entirelyanswers the question of the legal basis of the obstruction investigation. The presidents lawyers, Barr in his memo, and any number of conservative commentators have all argued that Mueller cannot reasonably be investigating obstruction offenses based on the presidents actions within his Article II powers in firing Comey; such actions, they contend, cannot possibly violate the obstruction laws. While this position is disputed, a great many other commentators, including me, have scratched their heads about Muellers obstruction theory.
But if the predicate for the investigation was rooted in substantial part in counterintelligence authoritiesthat is, if the theory was not just that the president may have violated the criminal law but also that he acted in a fashion that may constitute a threat to national securitythat particular legal puzzle goes away. After all, the FBI doesnt need a possible criminal violation to open a national security investigation.
The problem does not entirely go away, because as the Times reports, the probe was partly predicated as a criminal matter as well. So the question of Muellers criminal theory is still there. But the weight on it is dramatically less.
This possibility, of course, raises a different legal puzzle, which is whether and under what circumstances the president can be a national security investigative subject of his own FBI given that it is ultimately he who defines national security threats for the executive branch. But thats a question for another day.
Second, if it is correct that the FBIs principle interest in obstruction was not as a discrete criminal fact pattern but as a national security threat, this significantly blurs the distinction between the obstruction and collusion aspects of the investigation. In this construction, obstruction was not a problem distinct from collusion, as has been generally imagined. Rather, in this construction, obstruction was the collusion, or least part of it. The obstruction of justice statutes become, in this understanding, merely one set of statutes investigators might think about using to deal with a national security riskspecifically, the risk of a person on the U.S. side coordinating with or supporting Russian activity by shutting down the investigation.
It was about Russia. It was always about Russia. Full stop.
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https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-if-obstruction-was-collusion-new-york-timess-latest-bombshell
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(35,415 posts)all falling in line.
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(12,774 posts)Joy is having a field day on Rachel's show. Right now she's talking about the Russians' visit to the Oval Office, where he announced he had fired some FBI members!!
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(63,941 posts)to us DU'ers is this news to us??? We know this so called President has been in the back pocket of Putin. He is a security threat to our country. We have seen all pouting, the looks between him and Putin that this has been going for a long time.
It is still going on our Government agencies have been gutted, i.e State Department, Justice Department etc. Putin wanted to see the destruction of the US. Hated President Obama, and Hillary Clinton. Putin wanted to neutralize US by using his Russian asset tRump.
We are seeing it now with this shutdown. Munuchin relaxing sanctions for Russia. Everything is falling into place, or just falling.
This has to stop.
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