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Sat Jan 12, 2019, 11:55 AM

Anyone else speculating that Russia wants the shutdown?

Why is no journalist connecting the dots on today's headlines? Russia wants to hurt USA, Trump is Putin's puppet, Trump doesn't want to reopen government which will end up with many experts leaving government and hindering US for decades. Republicans need to act to protect the USA. Enough with partisan excuses.

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Reply Anyone else speculating that Russia wants the shutdown? (Original post)
cally Saturday OP
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Response to cally (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 11:56 AM

1. I never thought any different...nt

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Response to cally (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 11:56 AM

2. No speculation, I know

Who benefits the most from this? Putin

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Response to cally (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 11:57 AM

3. Chaos, paralysis, division - winning without firing a shot

It's Putin's plan to subjugate Western democracies

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Response to cally (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 11:59 AM

4. Nice summary. So many of us have know from the beginning.

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Response to cally (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 11:59 AM

5. Come to think of it...... Of course

Laughing thier asses off, "эй, давайте использовать стену, чтобы разделить американцев.'

translated to "hey let's use a wall to divide Americans"

And the media comment. If the President had a (D) after his name the media would have been all over this shitstorm.

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Response to cally (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:04 PM

6. This isn't something that happened overnight...

The long-game that was necessary to do this requires an enormous shakedown of dozens to have a system in place that leads all the way to the Oval Office.

There is an extremely treasonous situation underway...

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Response to EarthFirst (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:30 PM

14. +10000

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Response to cally (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:07 PM

7. Maybe Russia ordered the shutdown.

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Response to cally (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:10 PM

8. I think

trumps desperate to please putin , and his failure to lift sanctions for him have him mad, so trump is hurting this country for him now to prevent putin's anger with him for many , many issues, especially with the sanctions not being lifted. Wonder if putin has him on film doing drugs while with prostitutes, or having sex or attacking an underage beauty contestant while he was in russia. HE has a lot of things on him for him to act like he has been towards putin and russia. That's why he's attacking all law enforcement that could expose him, especially the FBI.

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Response to cally (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:12 PM

9. if they didn't, it would not be happening

I'm just not sure how far they're trying to push it--is it meant to be an annoyance, or is this a last-ditch death-blow since they know things are different in Congress now? It's fucked up.

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Response to cally (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:12 PM

10. Russia wants whatever causes us distress

Putin maintains his power in Russia by keeping the Russian people uncomfortable. If your too busy trying to get by or worried that your being watched, your probably not to to get too political.

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Response to cally (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:17 PM

11. Russia was handed the soybean concession. They won, we lost.

Hey, all of you soybean farmers who voted for this idiot, how is this working out for ya. Then, of course, there’s corn, and on and on. Trump is the gift to the Russian economy. They own him and are giddy about how well it’s working out for their economy. And is it assumed that we, the American public, are not going to be able to handle the outcome of the investigation??? Nothing like this has ever happened in this country before. I think we deserve to know the truth, the whole truth, and NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.

Why is it taking so long to bring this fiasco of a presidency to an end? Is it because the chain of command is corrupted all down the line and sending this crop of crooks all to jail for life or longer (sweet thought) would be too much for the “stupid” American public to handle?

We are truly in uncharted waters, and it’s going to get worse before it gets better. Wow, what a ride!

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Response to Firestorm49 (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:21 PM

12. Putin has also expressed belief that global warming benefits Russia. n/t


Don't know whether he was serious about this.

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Response to cally (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:29 PM

13. Not speculating. Putin wanted it.

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Response to cally (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:32 PM

15. Absolutely.

Have been doing so.

It's a feature of their plan to SHUTTER GOVERNMENT.

The increasing chaos it will cause in the land is Putin's goal.

And there will be economic chaos as well as personal emergencies.

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Response to cally (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:41 PM

16. As news junkies, we get our news from journalists. They are connecting dots & following leads...

It's what they do. What do you think the headline stories in today's New York Times are about? You know, the story that all the talking heads on cable tv touted as breaking news last night? The reason they all credited the New York Times is because it was Times reporters who ferreted it out and put it together.

Why would you want newspapers to print "speculation" when what we need is solidly-sourced truth? We still have some great newspapers.

As for cable news, I will ask you the same question I ask everyone else who comes here claiming that "no one" is researching, reporting, connecting dots, inviting experts, etc etc: Do you ever watch MSNBC, Rachel Maddow in particular? And if you don't why not? Rachel (or as Charles Pierce calls her, Kindly Doc Maddow) has been connecting dots from the get-go, with charts, documents, heavy research, well-footnoted references to newspaper journalists out there in the trenches, and outstanding expert guests.

Rachel's the most academic, but she is not the only one.

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Response to cally (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:02 PM

17. Putin happy with ANY and ALL forms of chaos,

disfunction and breakdown of norms in the U.S.A.

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Response to cally (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:04 PM

18. We don't have to speculate. There's proof:

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Response to cally (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:07 PM

19. Was one of my thoughts on the matter

Putin wants this country in chaos, broken, divided and unable to maintain its democracy.

Is his freaking wet dream.

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Response to cally (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:42 PM

20. Of course they want good people to quit government service

so they can leave those positions empty or hire their incompetent cronies.

They want to leave US vulnerable to cyber attacks for sure, and to divide Americans against each other and weaken many institutions. Federal law enforcement agencies have been working without pay for the lat 3 weeks. I bet retirement or a new job looks attractive to many of them after 2 years of insults from the President too.

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Response to cally (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:43 PM

21. Putin wants anything that disrupts the United States.

That's what he wants, and Trump is doing his bidding.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #21)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:46 PM

24. Exactly. n/t

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Response to cally (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:44 PM

22. Russia wants anything that causes chaos in the U.S. n/t

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Response to cally (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:44 PM

23. Russia likes anything that fucks with us...but this is rump afraid of his racist Ann Coulter Rush

Limpdick base. Please do not forget he was going to sign this until they started crowing that they will abandon him.

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