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cally

(21,593 posts)
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:55 PM Jan 2019

Anyone else speculating that Russia wants the shutdown?

Why is no journalist connecting the dots on today's headlines? Russia wants to hurt USA, Trump is Putin's puppet, Trump doesn't want to reopen government which will end up with many experts leaving government and hindering US for decades. Republicans need to act to protect the USA. Enough with partisan excuses.

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Anyone else speculating that Russia wants the shutdown? (Original Post) cally Jan 2019 OP
I never thought any different...nt 2naSalit Jan 2019 #1
No speculation, I know RainCaster Jan 2019 #2
Chaos, paralysis, division - winning without firing a shot dalton99a Jan 2019 #3
Nice summary. So many of us have know from the beginning. Claritie Pixie Jan 2019 #4
Come to think of it...... Of course rufus dog Jan 2019 #5
This isn't something that happened overnight... EarthFirst Jan 2019 #6
+10000 triron Jan 2019 #14
Maybe Russia ordered the shutdown. Vinca Jan 2019 #7
I think duforsure Jan 2019 #8
if they didn't, it would not be happening anarch Jan 2019 #9
Russia wants whatever causes us distress Buckeyeblue Jan 2019 #10
Russia was handed the soybean concession. They won, we lost. Firestorm49 Jan 2019 #11
Putin has also expressed belief that global warming benefits Russia. n/t delisen Jan 2019 #12
Not speculating. Putin wanted it. triron Jan 2019 #13
Absolutely. Grasswire2 Jan 2019 #15
As news junkies, we get our news from journalists. They are connecting dots & following leads... Hekate Jan 2019 #16
Putin happy with ANY and ALL forms of chaos, Golden Raisin Jan 2019 #17
We don't have to speculate. There's proof: Qutzupalotl Jan 2019 #18
Was one of my thoughts on the matter UpInArms Jan 2019 #19
Of course they want good people to quit government service IronLionZion Jan 2019 #20
Putin wants anything that disrupts the United States. MineralMan Jan 2019 #21
Exactly. n/t Mister Ed Jan 2019 #24
Russia wants anything that causes chaos in the U.S. n/t Downtown Hound Jan 2019 #22
Russia likes anything that fucks with us...but this is rump afraid of his racist Ann Coulter Rush UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #23

dalton99a

(81,485 posts)
3. Chaos, paralysis, division - winning without firing a shot
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:57 PM
Jan 2019

It's Putin's plan to subjugate Western democracies

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
5. Come to think of it...... Of course
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:59 PM
Jan 2019

Laughing thier asses off, "эй, давайте использовать стену, чтобы разделить американцев.'

translated to "hey let's use a wall to divide Americans"

And the media comment. If the President had a (D) after his name the media would have been all over this shitstorm.

EarthFirst

(2,900 posts)
6. This isn't something that happened overnight...
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:04 PM
Jan 2019

The long-game that was necessary to do this requires an enormous shakedown of dozens to have a system in place that leads all the way to the Oval Office.

There is an extremely treasonous situation underway...

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
8. I think
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:10 PM
Jan 2019

trumps desperate to please putin , and his failure to lift sanctions for him have him mad, so trump is hurting this country for him now to prevent putin's anger with him for many , many issues, especially with the sanctions not being lifted. Wonder if putin has him on film doing drugs while with prostitutes, or having sex or attacking an underage beauty contestant while he was in russia. HE has a lot of things on him for him to act like he has been towards putin and russia. That's why he's attacking all law enforcement that could expose him, especially the FBI.

anarch

(6,535 posts)
9. if they didn't, it would not be happening
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:12 PM
Jan 2019

I'm just not sure how far they're trying to push it--is it meant to be an annoyance, or is this a last-ditch death-blow since they know things are different in Congress now? It's fucked up.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
10. Russia wants whatever causes us distress
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:12 PM
Jan 2019

Putin maintains his power in Russia by keeping the Russian people uncomfortable. If your too busy trying to get by or worried that your being watched, your probably not to to get too political.

Firestorm49

(4,035 posts)
11. Russia was handed the soybean concession. They won, we lost.
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:17 PM
Jan 2019

Hey, all of you soybean farmers who voted for this idiot, how is this working out for ya. Then, of course, there’s corn, and on and on. Trump is the gift to the Russian economy. They own him and are giddy about how well it’s working out for their economy. And is it assumed that we, the American public, are not going to be able to handle the outcome of the investigation??? Nothing like this has ever happened in this country before. I think we deserve to know the truth, the whole truth, and NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.

Why is it taking so long to bring this fiasco of a presidency to an end? Is it because the chain of command is corrupted all down the line and sending this crop of crooks all to jail for life or longer (sweet thought) would be too much for the “stupid” American public to handle?

We are truly in uncharted waters, and it’s going to get worse before it gets better. Wow, what a ride!

delisen

(6,043 posts)
12. Putin has also expressed belief that global warming benefits Russia. n/t
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:21 PM
Jan 2019

Don't know whether he was serious about this.

Grasswire2

(13,569 posts)
15. Absolutely.
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:32 PM
Jan 2019

Have been doing so.

It's a feature of their plan to SHUTTER GOVERNMENT.

The increasing chaos it will cause in the land is Putin's goal.

And there will be economic chaos as well as personal emergencies.

Hekate

(90,681 posts)
16. As news junkies, we get our news from journalists. They are connecting dots & following leads...
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:41 PM
Jan 2019

It's what they do. What do you think the headline stories in today's New York Times are about? You know, the story that all the talking heads on cable tv touted as breaking news last night? The reason they all credited the New York Times is because it was Times reporters who ferreted it out and put it together.

Why would you want newspapers to print "speculation" when what we need is solidly-sourced truth? We still have some great newspapers.

As for cable news, I will ask you the same question I ask everyone else who comes here claiming that "no one" is researching, reporting, connecting dots, inviting experts, etc etc: Do you ever watch MSNBC, Rachel Maddow in particular? And if you don't why not? Rachel (or as Charles Pierce calls her, Kindly Doc Maddow) has been connecting dots from the get-go, with charts, documents, heavy research, well-footnoted references to newspaper journalists out there in the trenches, and outstanding expert guests.

Rachel's the most academic, but she is not the only one.

UpInArms

(51,283 posts)
19. Was one of my thoughts on the matter
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:07 PM
Jan 2019

Putin wants this country in chaos, broken, divided and unable to maintain its democracy.

Is his freaking wet dream.

IronLionZion

(45,441 posts)
20. Of course they want good people to quit government service
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 03:42 PM
Jan 2019

so they can leave those positions empty or hire their incompetent cronies.

They want to leave US vulnerable to cyber attacks for sure, and to divide Americans against each other and weaken many institutions. Federal law enforcement agencies have been working without pay for the lat 3 weeks. I bet retirement or a new job looks attractive to many of them after 2 years of insults from the President too.

MineralMan

(146,307 posts)
21. Putin wants anything that disrupts the United States.
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 03:43 PM
Jan 2019

That's what he wants, and Trump is doing his bidding.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
23. Russia likes anything that fucks with us...but this is rump afraid of his racist Ann Coulter Rush
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 03:44 PM
Jan 2019

Limpdick base. Please do not forget he was going to sign this until they started crowing that they will abandon him.

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