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Sat Jan 12, 2019, 04:46 PM

Amid border wall debate, third drug tunnel found in less than a month along Arizona border

TUCSON Mexican authorities uncovered another tunnel in Nogales, Sonora across the border from Nogales, Arizona which they suspect was used to smuggle drugs and people across the U.S.-Mexico border.

It's the third time they have made such a discovery in less than a month, and comes amid President Donald Trump's demand for funding to build more physical barriers along the U.S.-Mexico border.

Mexican Federal Police on Wednesday posted a short video of the tunnel on Twitter. Police said the tunnel measured about 32 feet in length, but offered few other details, such as the location or how they found it.

The video shows two police officers opening up a manhole underneath the extensive drainage channels that lie below the downtown areas in the twin cities of Nogales. The channels are used to ease the flow of runoff water during storms and typically flow north from Sonora into Arizona because of the terrain. But they are also commonly used in smuggling attempts.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/amid-border-wall-debate-third-drug-tunnel-found-in-less-than-a-month-along-arizona-border/ar-BBS8b6P?li=BBnbfcL

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Reply Amid border wall debate, third drug tunnel found in less than a month along Arizona border (Original post)
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2019 OP
Nictuku Jan 2019 #1
House of Roberts Jan 2019 #3
Igel Jan 2019 #6
Ilsa Jan 2019 #2
Iggo Jan 2019 #4
eppur_se_muova Jan 2019 #5
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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 04:49 PM

1. Just curious, is there a Fence along that border now?

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Response to Nictuku (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 05:15 PM

3. Well, would you dig a tunnel where there's no fence?

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Response to Nictuku (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 05:53 PM

6. Google.

Yes.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/border-issues/2017/11/07/mesh-added-slats-nogales-border-wall-thwart-smuggling/841011001/

That kind of knowledge sort of provides background to people who are debating either sides of the "wall"--from the "we'd never build such a thing" to "what a stupid idea, slats, who came up with that--surely not a previous administration" to "see, this will certainly work." All sides show a lack of knowledge and argue out of their butts when that's necessary for their cause.

Note that the tunnels are probably a lot harder than just walking across the border. If there's a barrier, then you stop and think, "What's easier? Get through or over the barrier? Go around it by heading east or west? Is going under it easier? Or maybe I'll just try to smuggle at the port of entry?" Talk to Hamas and the Israelis about borders and fences and tunnels. And the optics of having mostly young men rush the border with a small number of women and kids, and a press that assumes you're wrong because of who you are and only really shows horrendous wide pictures of teargas (with mostly young men) and then narrow-focus pictures showing just the teargassing of the poor weak things that kids and women must be.

It's like water: You do one thing to handle much of the rain that could flood your house. If that's not sufficient, you don't say, "Meh, it didn't work, so let's do nothing." Instead you do something else or improve what you already did. And if that doesn't work and you still think that the water's a problem, you try a third thing. An organization my kid's with was asked to help the adult version of that same organization after Harvey. There were storm drains. There were berms to keep the creek in its banks; there were diversion basins and other things to mitigate flooding. And yet at the end the men in the organization got a large pile of sand, hundreds of sandbags, and some nice waterproof sheeting, and used them wisely. Other buildings in the area had to be gutted, they had 2-3 feet of water standing in them for a day or two. This particular non-profit had a couple of square yards of wet carpet where the water seeped in under the door, not through the walls. (Had the water gone too high, the building would have imploded, of course, so it was a risk--one that they thought about and which paid off.) I guess it didn't work--some water got in--so next time it'll be better to just accept the insurance money and not have a place to meet for 6 months.

This is the retort to the "most drugs intercepted are at ports of entry" observation. Well, yes, that makes sense--not only do you get a lot because of relatively small amounts carried by lots of people, but if it's harder to get them across the border then it pushes the traffic through what's left. Tunnels, obscure areas, ports of entry.

If you think this is bad, find another contraband that's lucrative. You smuggle drugs out of Mexico into Arizona, you can smuggle guns into Mexico. It's a two-way deal. There used to be a huge business in illegal cigarette and alcohol smuggling. Still is, in some areas.

That's the then- and current-complaint about the human costs of the fence. It impedes illegal immigration and pushes migrants into more dangerous areas. But by upping the cost and the risk, it only stands to reason it impedes the flow. It's a cost-benefit analysis (done in a not always logical way), and works with illegal drugs as much as with car parts and people.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 05:03 PM

2. Build that wall!

We want wall! We hate brown people! I love russia! We are mindless! Give me herpes!

Aw, you know, things that go together.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 05:17 PM

4. ...because tunnels work.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 05:17 PM

5. But but but tunnels are medieval !

Not like wheels !

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 06:48 PM

7. Don't give tRump ideas!

Next he'll be wanting to bury the wall as deep as it is above ground.

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