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Should Hillary run again in 2020? (Original Post) gyroscope Jan 2019 OP
No. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #1
No... Pachamama Jan 2019 #2
No. Basta. fierywoman Jan 2019 #3
yes... irresistable Jan 2019 #4
😹 Meowmee Jan 2019 #185
no nt msongs Jan 2019 #5
No thanks. RockRaven Jan 2019 #6
. Crunchy Frog Jan 2019 #7
Another no. TreasonousBastard Jan 2019 #8
No regnaD kciN Jan 2019 #9
She would be my first choice, but I understand that she may not be the popular choice. unitedwethrive Jan 2019 #10
NO. I would prefer Hillary campaign hard for whomever the nominee is..... ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2019 #11
No. nt Crabby Appleton Jan 2019 #12
NO Raine Jan 2019 #13
Yes RelativelyJones Jan 2019 #14
No Heartstrings Jan 2019 #15
Should? She should do whatever she wants to. nt chowder66 Jan 2019 #16
That's actually the right answer. nt Hekate Jan 2019 #19
Thanks. I thought so too. nt chowder66 Jan 2019 #117
This lunamagica Jan 2019 #122
+ 1 million. nt Baltimike Jan 2019 #182
I think she should Downtown Hound Jan 2019 #17
I'm with you Stargazer09 Jan 2019 #23
It would be justice lunamagica Jan 2019 #123
Hasn't she suffered enough for our sins? Hekate Jan 2019 #18
+++++ librechik Jan 2019 #93
she had terrible ads. she picked a BAD VP. sorry. pick an actual hispanic. pansypoo53219 Jan 2019 #20
People don't vote for VP. Nt helpisontheway Jan 2019 #30
Huh? So just discount, ignore, forget about the VP pick regardless? That makes no sense. KPN Jan 2019 #105
I can see how a despicable, unqualified person like Palin helpisontheway Jan 2019 #124
Well thank god we didnt get her bad vp pick in office that would have been a disaster Fullduplexxx Jan 2019 #43
She ran a good enough campaign that she would have destroyed her opponent had it not been for Comey. StevieM Jan 2019 #99
No. nt tblue37 Jan 2019 #21
I'm sure she doesn't want to Freddie Jan 2019 #22
Do you feel the same way about, say, Bernie? athena Jan 2019 #107
No criticism of HRC intended Freddie Jan 2019 #121
OK. athena Jan 2019 #143
This may get me flagged Freddie Jan 2019 #145
i agree with you. he wants the limelight but he just needs to be a good senator and let it be trueblue2007 Jan 2019 #146
No RiverStone Jan 2019 #24
Up to her Sherman A1 Jan 2019 #25
She's... Mike Nelson Jan 2019 #26
Pelosi should embolden HRC Mr. Quackers Jan 2019 #27
This is hilarious. betsuni Jan 2019 #47
ImWithHer! oasis Jan 2019 #28
Me too. Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #44
She likely could do without the headache of another run. oasis Jan 2019 #94
If she got the last year of trums aristocracy, she'd be a good candidate Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #176
No patricia92243 Jan 2019 #29
No...nt helpisontheway Jan 2019 #31
No True Dough Jan 2019 #32
It's up to her, but I hope she doesn't. HopeAgain Jan 2019 #33
No GitRDun Jan 2019 #34
No. bluedigger Jan 2019 #35
She won the last election. But please, start a thread so same folks can say how unelectable she is. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #36
+1 Amen. Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #42
Unfortunately, she didn't zipplewrath Jan 2019 #67
I'm 99.99999999999999% sure you did not count all the votes even once. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #70
No one doctored the EC zipplewrath Jan 2019 #72
An act cooperating with other Republicans/Russian agents to make sure there were no recounts. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #73
It was certified zipplewrath Jan 2019 #74
And if they knew what we know today, that wouldn't have ever happened. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #86
Not so sure zipplewrath Jan 2019 #87
Ok. You are probably the only Democrat in America that doesn't believe Donald Trump stole the MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #89
No there are alot of us zipplewrath Jan 2019 #90
A lot as in a handful. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #91
Well, most of the senators zipplewrath Jan 2019 #92
They found altered ballots in the primaries, can't imagine folks didn't do the same in the general. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #106
No voter fraud zipplewrath Jan 2019 #112
Because that is election fraud. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #127
Not if the voter is involved in the fraud zipplewrath Jan 2019 #129
We are talking about election fraud. Republicans talk about voter fraud. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #134
Not on the scale necessary zipplewrath Jan 2019 #135
Russia hacked into at least 39 state voting systems. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #136
Looks like they succeeded zipplewrath Jan 2019 #139
So you have confidence in the U.S. voting system? MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #141
On the national level? zipplewrath Jan 2019 #142
"She won the last election." News to me. TSheehan Jan 2019 #162
Well now you know. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #164
I'll be sure to write to her in the White House. TSheehan Jan 2019 #165
Wouldn't be the first time she got her mail there. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #166
Maybe she should let others have a shot at that. TSheehan Jan 2019 #167
Maybe she should do whatever the fuck she wants. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #168
I agree. Just don't count on my vote. TSheehan Jan 2019 #169
Did she get it last time? MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #170
Actually, yes. Twice. TSheehan Jan 2019 #171
Then I would definitely count on your vote. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #172
I thought people can do whatever the fuck they want. Like Hillary. Or does she have special rights? TSheehan Jan 2019 #173
She doesn't need special rights to do whatever the fuck she wants. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #177
I don't like the way she's decorated the Oval Office. n/t Crunchy Frog Jan 2019 #186
I love this. knr on a response if I could. nt Baltimike Jan 2019 #183
I don't see a compelling reason why she shouldn't. ucrdem Jan 2019 #37
+1 Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #40
fuck no Locrian Jan 2019 #38
Yes. Very transparent. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #45
Could have been so much worse, eh? athena Jan 2019 #144
YES! If she never gets to be dons replacement. She won. Since when does America cheat Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #39
Exactly. I'm surprised there isn't a big outcry over this. She was cheated. Everyone who voted for lunamagica Jan 2019 #125
Thats a fact. "Everyone who voted for her was cheated" Should be a protest sign. Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #148
No. Vinca Jan 2019 #41
I think this thread isn't fun for you. betsuni Jan 2019 #46
No, for two reasons brooklynite Jan 2019 #48
"there were known flaws in her campaign strategy" EffieBlack Jan 2019 #50
No: Hillary should not run because her strategy was inadequate to get elected against Trump brooklynite Jan 2019 #51
Any Democrat's strategy to get elected would have failed in 2016 EffieBlack Jan 2019 #53
Let's be clear, I supported Hillary, worked on her campaign and housed many of her Senior Staff brooklynite Jan 2019 #55
She would have won the election and become president, notwithstanding any mistakes (which EVERY EffieBlack Jan 2019 #59
I've learned not to confuse my personal biases with reality... brooklynite Jan 2019 #61
Riiight EffieBlack Jan 2019 #66
Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #163
If she wants to, yes. If she doesn't, no. EffieBlack Jan 2019 #49
You aren't trying to "stir up" some problems are you? Botany Jan 2019 #52
No, and I worked on her campaign. She was the most qualified candidate ever... brush Jan 2019 #54
Oh please Faux pas Jan 2019 #56
I only want to see two people who ran last time jump in the race again. WeekiWater Jan 2019 #57
No. n/t demmiblue Jan 2019 #58
No. DinahMoeHum Jan 2019 #60
No Vogon_Glory Jan 2019 #62
Hell no. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2019 #63
The con should be removed in a straight jacket and she should be led into the white house. Joe941 Jan 2019 #64
Agree but won't happen. We are fucked. triron Jan 2019 #113
That would be beautiful.. lunamagica Jan 2019 #126
Why do you ask? ismnotwasm Jan 2019 #65
No. obnoxiousdrunk Jan 2019 #68
Up to her. I would support her if she did, though I don't think she will. nt LexVegas Jan 2019 #69
No Takket Jan 2019 #71
No. Liberal In Texas Jan 2019 #75
No. Why on earth is this a thread? bearsfootball516 Jan 2019 #76
Really? So you'd be ok with it if it were YOU? Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #149
This isn't about Hillary, it's abour what's best for the Democratic Party. bearsfootball516 Jan 2019 #159
Unless she requests otherwise. If it was me i'd hope someone would Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #160
No. marmar Jan 2019 #77
No Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #78
No Va Lefty Jan 2019 #79
I think it's been a few days since we re-fought the 2016 election el_bryanto Jan 2019 #80
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2019 #81
No way. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2019 #82
No tulipsandroses Jan 2019 #83
No... Freedomofspeech Jan 2019 #84
NO AlexSFCA Jan 2019 #85
Heavens NO Charlotte Little Jan 2019 #88
No. Aristus Jan 2019 #95
I would love to see a rematch Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2019 #96
She got cheated last time so it may be only fitting but I'm afraid triron Jan 2019 #97
No. n/t area51 Jan 2019 #98
This is silly, she is not running. And she deserves better than the way she was treated. StevieM Jan 2019 #100
Yeah...why should she get what she wanted right? Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #150
YES! democratisphere Jan 2019 #101
I have one other thing to say- Thank you Hillary- I don't see her campaign as such a failure now tulipsandroses Jan 2019 #102
No... JoeOtterbein Jan 2019 #103
Up to her Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #104
Nope... SidDithers Jan 2019 #108
No. NT ooky Jan 2019 #109
Hell YES Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #110
I think it is a decision only she can make, not us. We can and should only vote in the primary. KPN Jan 2019 #111
No vsrazdem Jan 2019 #114
She said she isn't running. Multiple times. She's not running emulatorloo Jan 2019 #115
I question the need for this post, maxsolomon Jan 2019 #116
yes she deserves it Rene Jan 2019 #118
but do we deserve her? 0rganism Jan 2019 #130
No, please no. n/t MuseRider Jan 2019 #119
Anyone who wants to run, should run. Let the voters decide n/t Blaukraut Jan 2019 #120
NO! vishnura Jan 2019 #128
No. PufPuf23 Jan 2019 #131
If she wants to, why not? Recursion Jan 2019 #132
no, we had our chance to elect decency and competence in 2016, and we blew it 0rganism Jan 2019 #133
NO! doc03 Jan 2019 #137
no bdamomma Jan 2019 #138
No, and neither should Bernie. Qutzupalotl Jan 2019 #140
Hell yes! hamsterjill Jan 2019 #147
Yes absolutely. With an in-office approval rating of 69%, twice, who else can match her. ffr Jan 2019 #151
Please, no hibbing Jan 2019 #152
She Won the Last Time dlk Jan 2019 #153
"She Won the Last Time." LenaBaby61 Jan 2019 #155
No Lucca2 Jan 2019 #154
Nope. Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #156
No. time for fresh talent. CTyankee Jan 2019 #157
No scarytomcat Jan 2019 #158
Past the expiration date, sorry. TSheehan Jan 2019 #161
I love Hillary. But running for prez would kick th sh*t out of her. Stay home. Enjoy your family. zonkers Jan 2019 #174
I'd vote for her again, but I don't want that nasty GOP to even say her name dmr Jan 2019 #175
Pass sellitman Jan 2019 #178
No. nt TJKatd Jan 2019 #179
Voted for her in the primary in 08 and 16 bottomofthehill Jan 2019 #180
YAS!!! Just like Pelosi should have been speaker! They know wtf they're doing. nt Baltimike Jan 2019 #181
knr triron Jan 2019 #184
She won't run again Meowmee Jan 2019 #187

RockRaven

(15,076 posts)
6. No thanks.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 02:45 AM
Jan 2019

While it is vital we choose a candidate who will win in 2020, I also want a candidate who will keep people excited and engaged in a 2024 re-election. I don't see her as being a good choice for that latter part.

unitedwethrive

(1,997 posts)
10. She would be my first choice, but I understand that she may not be the popular choice.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 03:11 AM
Jan 2019

I'm committed, however, to fully support whoever is our nominee.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,878 posts)
11. NO. I would prefer Hillary campaign hard for whomever the nominee is.....
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 03:12 AM
Jan 2019

And beat the hell out of Donald Trump or whomever the GOP nominee is.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
17. I think she should
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:06 AM
Jan 2019

I also know I'm in the minority. But I think this for two reasons. Number one is she would make a great president. Number two is her winning would be the ultimate fuck you to Trump and his Pod People followers.

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
23. I'm with you
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:21 AM
Jan 2019

The choice is hers, obviously, but she worked really hard to earn the presidency.

I think she would be a great President, and I would love to have her come in and get our country back on track.

The big “fuck you” to Putin and Trump would be icing on the cake.

KPN

(15,677 posts)
105. Huh? So just discount, ignore, forget about the VP pick regardless? That makes no sense.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:56 PM
Jan 2019

Not sure anyone can make the case that Hillary shouldn't have gotten their vote because of Tim Kaine, but ... I'll reserve that judgement (does the VP, i.e., potential P, deserve my vote) in the future for myself thank you.

helpisontheway

(5,008 posts)
124. I can see how a despicable, unqualified person like Palin
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 03:08 PM
Jan 2019

would give people pause. Yes, then it can make a difference with many people. Most of the time for VP they check to see if they person is qualified. Jaime might not have been an exciting pick for Hillary but he is qualified.

Fullduplexxx

(7,878 posts)
43. Well thank god we didnt get her bad vp pick in office that would have been a disaster
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:59 AM
Jan 2019

Oh yea those ads trump rallys were mych better than those ads

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
99. She ran a good enough campaign that she would have destroyed her opponent had it not been for Comey.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:42 PM
Jan 2019

That was his election, from start to finish.

athena

(4,187 posts)
107. Do you feel the same way about, say, Bernie?
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:58 PM
Jan 2019

HRC is under no obligation to do anything to please you or anyone else. The people who were so full of hatred for her in 2016 and gave us Trump deserve to have her ignore them and their wishes. The rest of us are lucky that she’s not a spiteful person. I suggest you go out and “campaign enthusiastically” for the nominee yourself. That’s a better use of time and energy than posting comments online subtly criticizing one of the most selfless people in the country.

athena

(4,187 posts)
143. OK.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:20 PM
Jan 2019

I’m still very bitter about how she was treated by the very people who should have been championing her. Honestly, if I were in her place, I wouldn’t campaign for anyone. But she’s a bigger person than I am.

It annoys me that no one is saying they hope Bernie will campaign enthusiastically for the nominee. (We all know he won’t. I just hope not too many people will listen to his inevitable criticism of our nominee.)

Freddie

(9,279 posts)
145. This may get me flagged
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:36 PM
Jan 2019

But I wish Bernie would kindly stay home and STFU from here on out. His lukewarm support and (mainly) his followers who don’t have the brains to figure out how a 2-party system works are why we’re here now.

Mike Nelson

(9,984 posts)
26. She's...
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:31 AM
Jan 2019

… not running, presently. If something really strange happens - and that is a possibility - she might enter. Something like an assassination, war... something that changes the mood... I really think she cares about the country and considers which candidate can win and would put the US on the correct path. There are several great candidates. So, the answer is a qualified no. And, I think that's what she has decided.

 

Mr. Quackers

(443 posts)
27. Pelosi should embolden HRC
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:35 AM
Jan 2019

fuck the haters.

they've been hating Clintons forever, fuck the haters.

Clinton/Pelosi 2020!

that should make con heads explode!

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
44. Me too.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:59 AM
Jan 2019

She got robbed. We all make a big deal of victims of 'me too', but HRC doesnt get justice and don erdogan gets 4 years? No way. Suffer gop. We are.

oasis

(49,480 posts)
94. She likely could do without the headache of another run.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 12:49 PM
Jan 2019

But if the right situation arises and she decides to give it another shot, I'm all in.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
176. If she got the last year of trums aristocracy, she'd be a good candidate
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:19 PM
Jan 2019

for the second 'term'. It's not like she just sat on her behind. She ran a good campaign. Nobodies perfect. And don the master of the insult made it twice as hard in my estimation.

True Dough

(17,378 posts)
32. No
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:15 AM
Jan 2019

I have a great deal of respect for all that Hillary has accomplished, of course, but she is just such a polarizing figure. Like Bernie. I think it's best for the party if both allow other new, exciting candidates seek the leadership. The good news is there are so many to choose from.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
33. It's up to her, but I hope she doesn't.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:17 AM
Jan 2019

She is unpopular, whether she deserves to be or not. People who argue that those further left should have been more practical and voted a certain way would need to heed their own advice.

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
36. She won the last election. But please, start a thread so same folks can say how unelectable she is.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:20 AM
Jan 2019

Same predictable crap gets spewed every time. Because people never get tired of showing ignorance and hate toward strong brilliant women.

She should do whatever the fuck she wants.


zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
67. Unfortunately, she didn't
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:24 AM
Jan 2019

It's hard when the deck is stacked against you, but I counted the votes several times and they all came out the same. No one had a gun to the electors heads.

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
70. I'm 99.99999999999999% sure you did not count all the votes even once.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:57 AM
Jan 2019

I’m also 99.999999999999% sure that Republicans lied, cheated and committed treason.

What you counted was the fake numbers manufactured in areas controlled by Republicans to tilt the EC in individual 1’s favor.

But yeah, you go with your doctored version of reality.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
72. No one doctored the EC
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 11:01 AM
Jan 2019

Yes, the Trump Campaign committed treason. And the act we are discussing is cooperating with the Russians to make their efforts effective and convincing 80,000 people in about 3 states vote against their own interests. And goodness knows they've done an effective job of voter suppression.

But I did count all the EC votes, and it wasn't even close.

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
73. An act cooperating with other Republicans/Russian agents to make sure there were no recounts.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 11:14 AM
Jan 2019

You have no idea what the real vote count was because we weren’t allowed to count the votes.

The act of cooperation with Russia was also to get the voting data to determine what numbers they were going to have to change and make up.

I laugh at anyone who believes that Trump legitimately won the EC or anything else.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
74. It was certified
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 11:21 AM
Jan 2019

There were chances at every step to make these challenges, including in congress. None were made. Not even by Hillary. I know exactly how many EC votes there were and those votes were not challenged by any democratic senator, nor by Biden.

Biden denied the objections one by one, at times jocular and apparently determined to finish the tally. “It is over,” he said at one point, to laughter from Republicans.

None of the representatives had the backing of a senator, which would have allowed them to suspend the joint session and allow the House and Senate to meet separately to debate the objections.

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
86. And if they knew what we know today, that wouldn't have ever happened.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 12:07 PM
Jan 2019

Look... just because it was a successful theft, doesn't mean that the thief rightly owns the property he stole.

For fuck's sake.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
87. Not so sure
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 12:09 PM
Jan 2019

Especially Biden knew that the Russians had interfered and that the Trump campaign had been infiltrated.
It isn't theft until you find the crime. To date, no one has found the case of the altered ballot, and not even the democrats are looking.

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
89. Ok. You are probably the only Democrat in America that doesn't believe Donald Trump stole the
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 12:14 PM
Jan 2019

election or that it was theft.

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you weren't a big Hillary supporter.

I'm also going to bet that Robert Mueller has the proof you are looking for.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
92. Well, most of the senators
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 12:20 PM
Jan 2019

Truly, most of the political operatives in DC don't buy into that. Every election has irregularities, and yes, the GOP has been openly working on voter suppression. But no one has ever found the altered ballots, and that goes for the ones the GOP always claims the democrats have done too. Even in NC 9th, it is mostly an accusation of basically not counting them, which is why it hasn't been certified.

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
106. They found altered ballots in the primaries, can't imagine folks didn't do the same in the general.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:57 PM
Jan 2019

By the way, you can’t find altered ballots if no one looks.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
129. Not if the voter is involved in the fraud
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 03:22 PM
Jan 2019

Which in all the fraud that has been discovered over the years, tends to be how it happens. Voters sell/give/get duped into turning over absentee ballots or mail in ballots or whatever and they are used by various aggregators to fill them out, or alter them. The magnitude of this is minuscule and the Russians weren't involved in this. I'm dubious this is why HRC lost in Wisconsin. It tends to be more dangerous in local elections where 40 or 50 votes can turn an election.

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
134. We are talking about election fraud. Republicans talk about voter fraud.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 03:32 PM
Jan 2019

Any attempt to alter election results is election fraud, not voter fraud.

Durham election worker was found guilty of running provisional ballots through multiple times and disappearing others. You really think that was limited to the primaries or NC?

But no recounts means we will never know, right? Why do you think the Republicans go to court to try to stop the vote counts?

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
135. Not on the scale necessary
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 03:37 PM
Jan 2019

That kind of fraud is what affects local races, maybe state races. I'm dubious that kind of fraud was the reason for HRC's loss in the 3 critical states.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
139. Looks like they succeeded
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 03:44 PM
Jan 2019
Although the committee did not find any evidence that the hackers actually changed votes, it said it found "ample evidence" that the Russian government sought to undermine confidence in U.S. voting systems,.


From your response, I'd say they succeed it their goal.

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
141. So you have confidence in the U.S. voting system?
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 03:52 PM
Jan 2019

After what happened in Georgia and again in Florida just last year?

Well then, I guess we have nothing to worry about.

Me, I'll still advocate for hand counted paper ballots everywhere.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
142. On the national level?
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 03:57 PM
Jan 2019

Yes.

I do think it is prone to error, and in any close state election, any error can be problematic. Gore probably lost predominately because of a flawed design in one area that had jews voting for Buchanan. I do think there are problems with malfunctions that go undetected. I do think there is far too high a tolerance for "spoiled" ballots. I think there are offices that shouldn't even be elected positions.

I think we should use computers that assist in filling out a ballot such that it is not "spoiled" and then have it printed so the voter can check it. Then that becomes the official ballot. And they should be saved for some period of time afterwards.

 

TSheehan

(277 posts)
173. I thought people can do whatever the fuck they want. Like Hillary. Or does she have special rights?
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:47 PM
Jan 2019

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
37. I don't see a compelling reason why she shouldn't.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:23 AM
Jan 2019

If the stars align it could be her moment at last. If they don't she'll drop out. I don't think it would interfere with anyone else's campaign and people are free to work for or vote for whomever they please. So I would have no objections.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
39. YES! If she never gets to be dons replacement. She won. Since when does America cheat
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:55 AM
Jan 2019

it's winners? She won. remember that. America is fair and kind and just. She deserves to be president. Sets a bad precedent. If she were you? what would you expect? The biggest rip off in the world and she got cheated, and so did we. She knows where the bodies are buried, and the gop would tremble...again.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
125. Exactly. I'm surprised there isn't a big outcry over this. She was cheated. Everyone who voted for
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 03:13 PM
Jan 2019

her was cheated.

Hillary taking her place as the legitimate POTUS would be the right, just end to the electoral mess

Vinca

(50,326 posts)
41. No.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:57 AM
Jan 2019

Sadly, there's a time for everyone and hers has come and gone. If there was any Constitutional way to install her in her rightly-won office, that should be done. But there isn't. I hope Don is eventually frog marched off to jail so she might get some satisfaction from that.

betsuni

(25,789 posts)
46. I think this thread isn't fun for you.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:02 AM
Jan 2019

No nutty conspiracy theories about bad bad bad Democrats like Hillary "controlled by corporate lobbyists and their money" taking "corporate bribe money." All is forgiven suddenly?

brooklynite

(94,950 posts)
48. No, for two reasons
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:05 AM
Jan 2019

First, there were known flaws in her campaign strategy last time.

Second, setting up another Clinton-Trump fight means you're effectively telling voters to admit they made a mistake. Getting them to shift their vote to another Democrat is a much easier message to sell.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
50. "there were known flaws in her campaign strategy"
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:09 AM
Jan 2019

Translation: Hillary should not run because she failed to be the first candidate in history to not be perfect.

Gotcha.

brooklynite

(94,950 posts)
51. No: Hillary should not run because her strategy was inadequate to get elected against Trump
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:13 AM
Jan 2019

I don't care that she got more votes, because, as much as we disagree, that's not how we run Presidential elections.

The bottom line is that she lost 5 critical States that Obama won twice

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
53. Any Democrat's strategy to get elected would have failed in 2016
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:18 AM
Jan 2019

Because no matter what they did, the Russians and the other bad players would have adjusted their cheating to overcome it. That's how cheating works.

But, by all means, let's pretend that it was Hillary's fault that a foreign government stole the election.

brooklynite

(94,950 posts)
55. Let's be clear, I supported Hillary, worked on her campaign and housed many of her Senior Staff
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:22 AM
Jan 2019

The mistakes that I saw, and that were confirmed by State Party Chairs that I know, had nothing to do with Russia.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
59. She would have won the election and become president, notwithstanding any mistakes (which EVERY
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:38 AM
Jan 2019

campaign has). No candidate ever runs a perfect campaign and local and state campaigns and others involved ALWAYS complain and second guess the national campaign - that's nothing new. Winning campaigns win despite their mistakes, never because their campaign was perfect.

The ONLY reason Hillary lost is that the election was stolen - otherwise, she would have won and would now be president. There is not one thing she could have done differently that would have changed the outcome. Even if she had run an absolutely perfect campaign - which no candidate in history has ever done - Trump STILL would have become president.

brooklynite

(94,950 posts)
61. I've learned not to confuse my personal biases with reality...
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:43 AM
Jan 2019

My analysis is that Biden would have held the Obama states and won the Election, notwithstanding Russian interference.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
66. Riiight
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:14 AM
Jan 2019

Because: 1) Russian interference and GOP voter suppression had absolutely nothing to do with Hillary not holding some of the states that Obama won; and 2) if Biden had been the nominee, the Russians wouldn't have done anything differently, but would have used the exact same strategy they used for Hillary and wouldn't have tailored their tactics in any way to undermine Biden's strengths and overplay his weaknesses ...

Response to EffieBlack (Reply #59)

brush

(53,971 posts)
54. No, and I worked on her campaign. She was the most qualified candidate ever...
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:20 AM
Jan 2019

and she correctly pegged trump as a Putin puppet to his face during one of the campaign debates.

Let's leave it at that.

We nor she needs her legacy sullied by running again with the possibility of not even getting out of the primaries and thus being forever remembered in history as a three-time loser.

No.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
57. I only want to see two people who ran last time jump in the race again.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:27 AM
Jan 2019

O’Malley and Webb.

O’Malley, have you been practicing your public speaking?

Webb only for his passion of criminal justice reform. Our candidates need to pick up his ideas and passion in that area.

Vogon_Glory

(9,137 posts)
62. No
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:45 AM
Jan 2019

No. As strongly as I believe that she would have made a good President, I fear that she would not be a good candidate next time around. The liars and dirt bags on the right have succeeded at dissing her, the gullibles’ and deplorables’ eyes would glaze over again, and we and the country would lose again. Our loss.

 

Joe941

(2,848 posts)
64. The con should be removed in a straight jacket and she should be led into the white house.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:57 AM
Jan 2019

I'm serious.

Takket

(21,702 posts)
71. No
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:58 AM
Jan 2019

She would make a great president but the media will never treat her fairly. They will make the entire primary about “her emails” and Dems will not be allowed to get any messaging out. They are already trying to make the primaries about Warren’s heritage so we are already handcuffed in messaging.

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
76. No. Why on earth is this a thread?
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 11:27 AM
Jan 2019

I happily supported and voted for her in 2016. But that was then and this is now.

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
159. This isn't about Hillary, it's abour what's best for the Democratic Party.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:53 PM
Jan 2019

As I’ve said before, I happily supported her three years ago. But she’s stepped away from politics since then, and the best course of action for the party is to ultimately nominate someone new who can also attract new voters.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
160. Unless she requests otherwise. If it was me i'd hope someone would
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:38 PM
Jan 2019

rescue my effort and encourage me. This OP and the threads don't sound like supporting our winner. But hey, that's just me.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
80. I think it's been a few days since we re-fought the 2016 election
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 11:29 AM
Jan 2019

I don't, but I think she'll have strong support if she does. So there's an argument to be made. The real problem with her running again is a) many Democrats' for her will be lukewarm and b) Republicans hatred of her gives them something to focus on rather than trying to defend Trump's record.

Bryant

Response to gyroscope (Original post)

Aristus

(66,522 posts)
95. No.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:06 PM
Jan 2019

I was so proud to vote for her, and slipped into a deep, depressed daze when she was denied the office she won. But the repukes would kill for her to run again. They marshall all of their resources toward fighting her at every turn. They may not know exactly how to run against someone who is not Hillary Clinton. But recent events suggest they may use the same tactics. (Elizabeth Warren - 'unlikeable' ) Why make it easy for them?

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,454 posts)
96. I would love to see a rematch
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:12 PM
Jan 2019

but I'd also be concerned that it would be a rehash of 2016- as unfair as that would be- with the outcome uncertain. A Trump/Hillary rematch would probably be just like "catnip" for the Trump base and would likely divide us. I have come to the sad but unmistakable conclusion that that 2020 should feature a new and clean slate of candidates (which also means no Bernie as well). Hillary, Gore, Kerry would have all been better Presidents than what we ended up getting in 2000, 2004, and 2016 but I feel that their time has, regrettably, come and gone. :-/

triron

(22,030 posts)
97. She got cheated last time so it may be only fitting but I'm afraid
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:38 PM
Jan 2019

that between the media, republican propaganda and the Russians (etc.)
much PR damage was done. It is such a damn shame. She is so qualified.
But since when is "qualified" important to the majority of American voters?

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
100. This is silly, she is not running. And she deserves better than the way she was treated.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:43 PM
Jan 2019

So I am glad that she won't be subjecting herself to that again.

tulipsandroses

(5,131 posts)
102. I have one other thing to say- Thank you Hillary- I don't see her campaign as such a failure now
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:48 PM
Jan 2019

Yeah we have the orange clown in office - But she gave strength to a lot of women- Look how many women we have in office- The orange clown himself angered a lot of women. No doubt. Hillary's strength and courage also helped and showed a lot of women they could be president or could be taken as serious candidates.

JoeOtterbein

(7,703 posts)
103. No...
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:51 PM
Jan 2019

She will not demand recounts or audits like she should have in '16. We need a fighter. Not a concession speech.

KPN

(15,677 posts)
111. I think it is a decision only she can make, not us. We can and should only vote in the primary.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:59 PM
Jan 2019

Now whether her running again would be good for our party, that's another question. I tend to think not, however unfair that may really be to her. But if she did run and won the nomination, I can think of no reason why I wouldn't vote for her.

maxsolomon

(33,449 posts)
116. I question the need for this post,
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 02:14 PM
Jan 2019

and your motivation for posting it.

Next I expect a post from you asking the same for Sen. Sanders.

0rganism

(23,989 posts)
130. but do we deserve her?
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 03:25 PM
Jan 2019

i think Americans in the upper midwest proved in 2016 that we are no longer fit to be a global superpower graced with competent leadership.

PufPuf23

(8,854 posts)
131. No.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 03:28 PM
Jan 2019

HRC lost in 2008 and lost again in 2016. HRC would again be a risk to lose.

Like it or not HRC is an unpopular politician with many, even some long time dependable Democratic Party members.

This is reality.

There are many other qualitfied Democratic candidates for 2020. I am eager to see who will rise to the top of the Democratic candidates for 2020 and a new Democratic POTUS in January 2021.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
132. If she wants to, why not?
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 03:29 PM
Jan 2019

If the other candidates can't beat her in the Primary I'd have trouble believing they'd be a better candidate in the General.

0rganism

(23,989 posts)
133. no, we had our chance to elect decency and competence in 2016, and we blew it
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 03:29 PM
Jan 2019

after all the bullshit she's endured over the decades and all the public service she's already done, Hillary deserves a rest.

Qutzupalotl

(14,340 posts)
140. No, and neither should Bernie.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 03:45 PM
Jan 2019

And I say this as a former Bernie supporter who still likes a lot of his proposals. Of course I voted for Hillary in the general.

There is too much mistrust and bad blood in the waters, unfortunately. We need to be truly united behind the next nominee, and that means not setting ourselves up for a never-ending airing of grievances.

ffr

(22,677 posts)
151. Yes absolutely. With an in-office approval rating of 69%, twice, who else can match her.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:27 PM
Jan 2019

Nobody.

She brings the experience to office that we need. Her campaign message needs to change however to focus more on getting men to vote for her, instead of 90% of her ads focusing on every other demographic.

LenaBaby61

(6,979 posts)
155. "She Won the Last Time."
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:33 PM
Jan 2019

True that. However, that was her last time. She should be there for the party, but no more runs for her as unfortunate as that stealing of the presidency from her was. Bernie and Joe shouldn't run either.

 

zonkers

(5,865 posts)
174. I love Hillary. But running for prez would kick th sh*t out of her. Stay home. Enjoy your family.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:51 PM
Jan 2019

She stills make a difference just being the icon you are and doing all the public service you do.

dmr

(28,364 posts)
175. I'd vote for her again, but I don't want that nasty GOP to even say her name
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 10:06 PM
Jan 2019

Who was it in 2016 that said they had about 5 years worth of bullshit to throw at her if she became our President? I can see him in my mind but can't remember his name.

There is only one thing I am thankful for her loss in '16, and that is not subjecting Hillary to the despicable behavior of each Republican in the Congress, and in the media.

Seriously, I have thought of this often. It's the only saving grace to her loss. She deserves our respect, but they had no plans for that.

Yea, we can just see how the GOP is full of Patriots.

bottomofthehill

(8,364 posts)
180. Voted for her in the primary in 08 and 16
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 11:23 PM
Jan 2019

Happily and proudly voted for President Obama in the general in 08 and happily and proudly voted for Secretary Clinton in 16 but I am over her now. I think she could win the primary in this field easily under a divide and conquer program, but I actually think she could loose again leaving us with 8 years of the Trump. I think Mrs Clinton is an amazing woman and would have made a great President! I don’t think it will ever happen and it is a shame but we need to look towards the future and do what is the best for the country.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
187. She won't run again
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 04:51 AM
Jan 2019

She is easily the smartest and the best we have. What happened with the stolen election is such a tragedy for this country. Look at the nightmare we are in now. I always knew there were a large number of idiots/ fascists and so on here but after this I will never look at this country the same way again, disgust doesn’t even begin to describe it.

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