David Hogg Masterfully Trolls The Gillette Commercial MAGAts

[CousinIT]

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It's kinda funny how the same people that call us snowflakes for not wanting to be shot in school can be this mad at a razor.

[smirkymonkey]

1. I love this kid!

I hope he runs for office someday.

[forgotmylogin]

5. Has he said what his ambition is?

I'm hoping politics fighting the NRA or journalism.

[Doremus]

17. I think he's going to study political science. nt

[crazycatlady]

39. He's indicated interest in running for Congress when he's old enough

[UniteFightBack]

48. That is fantastic news !! nt

[musicblind]

41. Well, he's studying political science at Harvard. So... n/t

[NurseJackie]

7. Did he ever apologize for being rude and insulting to Nancy Pelosi?

Surely you heard about it, it was in all the papers.

[cwydro]

10. Yikes, was he really?

Did I miss that somehow?

[NurseJackie]

12. Yes. He was behaving like a pompous brat.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/remysmidt/david-hogg-called-nancy-pelosi-old

He noted Paul Ryan’s age when he became the speaker of the House (at 45, he was elected the youngest-ever speaker), and added, “Older Democrats just won’t move the fuck off the plate and let us take control. Nancy Pelosi is old.”

So rude! He's acting like a disrespectful punk who's full of himself and thinks he can say or do anything he wants.

It really serves no good purpose for him to be lashing-out at people who are on his side. He's making enemies of the people he NEEDS to be on his side.

[cwydro]

14. I did miss that.

And yes, that IS acting like a pompous brat.

[SCVDem]

23. He's young and gets a pass.

How many jerkoffs did you ignore who should have known better.

Lighten up!

[DRoseDARs]

26. That such vitriol is being thrown at a school shooting survivor is impressive.

Literally in a fight for young lives. Tends to make one angry that older generations continue to fail.

[NurseJackie]

29. Nancy Pelosi is not his enemy.

Tends to make one angry that older generations continue to fail.

Nancy Pelosi is not his enemy. One's age is irrelevant in this fight. If he wants to be taken seriously, he needs to man-up and own his mistake. He needs to apologize. Until then, I and others will just see him as a loudmouth brat who OUGHT to be ignored... not be given a "pass" or have excuses made for him. That's what mommies do for their brat toddlers. "Oh, he just hasn't had his nap today. He's tired. He's normally a nice kid." GMAFB!

That such vitriol is being thrown at a school shooting survivor is impressive.

Vitriol? Oh brother! It's hardly "vitriol" to call someone out for their bratty and rude behavior toward people who are actually on his side!

[DRoseDARs]

30. Fortunately for all of us, Pelosi is a bigger person.

She knows better than to attack a young person who will be coping with the trauma of surviving a school shooting for the rest of his life and daring to be angry about the failures of previous generations that led to that. She recognizes that that experience has ignited a fire in his and his peers' bellies. She's smart enough to know it is good and proper to tap into that energy because they are part of the next generation of Democratic leaders and thinkers. Their anger is righteous over the failure of older generations to meaningfully address the issues they created and expect the younger generations to deal with. She recognizes his comments were anger of failures of everyone whose responsibilities to protect the young are legion, but that his comments are not a personal hatred of her. She hasn't told Hogg to sit down and shut up like Whoopi did AOC. Nor has she done so to AOC herself. Another fire and whirlwind of young energy she knows she must tap into because they, not her, are the future of the Democratic Party.

She hasn't taken being called "old" personally. She understands it's part of a much larger cross-generational narrative that she's working to make better for all, and she knows she needs people like Hogg and AOC to get there while God grants her the time.

[NurseJackie]

31. Oh brother! GMAFB! Nobody is attacking him.

She knows better than to attack a young person...

Oh brother! GMAFB! Nobody is attacking him.

It is entirely fair, however to call him out on his boorish insults.

tap into that energy because

His "energy" is not a free pass for him to act like a complete asshole. Does he want to stamp his feet and have tantrums? Or, in being the public-face of the tragedy (a role that he sought out) does he want to be taken seriously?

but that his comments are not a personal hatred of her.

It does not matter if he "hates" her or not. He was rude and acted like a complete asshole. His lack of hatred toward her is not an excuse.

She hasn't told Hogg to sit down and shut up like Whoopi did AOC.

Still smarting over that, eh?

they, not her, are the future of the Democratic Party.

Rudeness is the future of the party? Heaven help us.

she knows she needs people like Hogg and AOC to get there while God grants her the time.

You keep mentioning AOC... this has nothing to do with her. Why distract and change the subject? It's unnecessary and it serves no good purpose.

If he wants to be some sort of leader, then he needs to show respect and courtesy to everyone... even those he disagrees with... but ESPECIALLY to those who are ACTUALLY on his side.

It serves no good purpose to make excuses for immature punk-like behavior from someone who ought to know better... from someone who's taken on a public-role and who (presumably) wants to be taken seriously. Or does he hope to make a career with a reputation of insulting allies and acting like a spoiled brat?

He owes her (and every other "old" person who's on his side) an apology. But, clearly he's not mature enough to admit making a mistake. Nor is he even mature enough to fake it and just say the words "I'm sorry" (while holding in his heart that he doesn't really mean it.)

All I'm saying is that it was a disappointment then, and his denial and doubling-down continues to be a disappointment. I can't take him seriously, and I know for a fact that I'm not the only one. It would cost him nothing to be polite and to offer a gracious apology. Instead he choose to be prideful and to embrace vanity. What a shame. What a waste.

[DRoseDARs]

33. You've spent this entire thread ranting and raging about it. Not sure if it's silly or sad. nt

[NurseJackie]

34. It's not about me.

You've spent this entire thread ranting and raging about it. Not sure if it's silly or sad. nt

It's not about me. What I've been doing is calling-out his behavior and explaining why it shouldn't be given a free-pass with absurd excuses like "well he doesn't actually hate her" or "he's been traumatized" or "he hasn't had his nap".

If he want to take on the adult responsibility of being an activist for gun-control, gun-safety, etc... then he needs to ACT like an adult. First step: owning up to his bratty insults and apologizing.

Not sure if it's silly or sad.

His immaturity is what's sad. His refusal to be an adult and apologize for his vulgar and rude insults is what's sad.

All I'm saying is that when he's showing his ass, he's giving people a justifiable reason to dismiss him and ignore him. That's what's sad.

[DRoseDARs]

35. I thought it was long-understood that Pelosi doesn't need a White Knight to defend her honor.

Every single post of yours has hurled one insult or another at him... because you're upset that he shouldn't have called her "old." It's quite a stunning display of whatever one calls it. He made his comment in August. Everyone else on the planet seems to have moved on. In this thread you by yourself have made it about you and *your* anger after all this time. HOW many people posted "Huh?" when you first brought it up in this thread? And how many more who also weren't aware or didn't remember that didn't even post asking for explanation?

[NurseJackie]

37. I've done no such thing and you know it.

Calling out his immature behavior is not an attack. Just because he's not man enough to apologize in all these months makes it worse... it doesn't excuse or diminish his childish tantrum and the vulgar words hurled at her.

I guess I just have higher standards when it comes to the behavior I'm willing to accept from "progressive" activists. Someone's lack of awareness of his being an asshole to Pelosi does not change the facts or make his immaturity go away.

I expect more from people like him. Everyone should. Stop making excuses for him. As progressives, we deserve better behavior from activists like him. He's volunteered to do a man's job, then he should act like one. No excuses.

[UniteFightBack]

46. His immaturity is sad? How old is he again? nt

[NurseJackie]

49. He's an adult.

He was 18 then and he's 18 now. If he wants to volunteer to be a progressive activist, the be the face and voice of responsible gun laws and gun safety, then he needs to act like an adult. He can start by taking responsibility for his vulgar insults against Pelosi. We deserve better. Nobody needs to continue to make excuses for him like he's some toddler who's cranky because he missed his afternoon nap. He needs to man-up, admit he was wrong, and apologize. He hasn't. Instead he's doubled down.

[UniteFightBack]

50. I understand you don't like his remark...but maybe you could think about not being so

hard line about it. Just a suggestion...you are free to do as you wish, just as he can have an opinion, which is a foolish one I'll concede...but he is free to have it.

He was 18, what 19 now... - he has a lot to learn yet. Remember the don't trust anybody over 30 thing? I used to say that and I wasn't even born when that phase was coined. But we'd joke about it. Ahhhh youth.

[Cheviteau]

43. Damn!

I wish I could be perfect like you. A person who's never uttered a single word that anyone has taken offense. This is a child (yes, a child) who has taken on one of the most insidious organizations on the planet; and seems to be having some success where others failed. So he said Speaker Pelosi is old. She is a few years younger than me, and that makes her old. She's not insulted by that. What's the apology supposed to be? "I called you old when in fact you're young". She raised five children. She understands youthful indiscretions. We old folks (or many of us) can reflect back on our youth and wish a thousand times we could un-say some utterances we've made.

I have no idea why you insist on trolling Mr. Hogg. But it is what it is. It seems you're pretty well known here, and I've read a lot of your posts and liked most of them. I'll be reading you in the future with a jaundiced eye.

[NurseJackie]

45. I wish the same thing.

I wish I could be perfect like you.

I wish the same thing.

A person who's never uttered a single word that anyone has taken offense.

It's hard work but with practice, it's possible.

This is a child (yes, a child)

Oh, GMAFB. He's 18, and he was 18 when it happened. He's not a "child" who is cranky because he missed his nap-time.

and seems to be having some success where others failed.

Just imagine what's possible if he was acting like the young man, the ADULT, that he is.

So he said Speaker Pelosi is old. She is a few years younger than me, and that makes her old.

He wasn't making an offhand or innocent reference to her age... he was using it as a pejorative!

He was clearly and intentionally being insulting and vulgar. He was insinuating that she was incompetent because of her age. He was insinuating that an actual ally like Pelosi didn't care.

When someone starts splitting-hairs and making excuses by saying "well it's true, she IS old" has already lost the argument. That's a weak defense for his offensive insults.

She understands youthful indiscretions.

Irrelevant whether she understand them or not. I understand them too. But that's not excuse or a reason to not call him out on his ugly and immature words... his immature ATTACKS on an ally.

We old folks (or many of us) can reflect back on our youth and wish a thousand times we could un-say some utterances we've made.

Nobody can "un-say" ugly insults once they've been uttered. But he has the opportunity to apologize, yet he hasn't. Why? --- Instead, he's doubled-down and reaffirmed the insult.

I have no idea why you insist on trolling Mr. Hogg.

Nobody is doing that. But I do believe that if he wants to hold himself up as a "progressive" voice for gun-control and gun-safety then he needs to man-up and admit he was wrong. He needs to apologize.

He has volunteered to take on an adult's role in his activism, therefore he needs to ACT LIKE AN ADULT. And people who want him to be successful need to stop making excuses for him. It serves no good purpose to make excuses for immature punk-like behavior from someone who ought to know better. He's not a baby.

Does he want to be taken seriously? If so, it's time for him to man-up. Having a reputation of insulting allies and acting like a spoiled brat doesn't help him or the cause. He needs to do better, and he can start with an apology.

I'll be reading you in the future with a jaundiced eye.

How awful. I'm crushed.

[Cheviteau]

42. Very Goof Comment

At least someone on this board displays some modicum of maturity.

[SCVDem]

36. So you're saying to support Trump? nt

[NurseJackie]

38. ...

[NurseJackie]

28. A pass? Fuck no! If he wants people to take him seriously, he needs to man-up...

A pass? Fuck no! If he wants people to take him seriously, he needs to man-up and act like an adult.

Lighten up!

Not a chance. He's a punk and he needs to apologize to Nancy Pelosi, not double-down.

[Cheviteau]

44. For God's Sake

Give it up.

[UniteFightBack]

47. He's a punk? Is he as punky as the smirking catholic kid? Goodness gracious. nt

[NurseJackie]

51. False equivalencies reveal that you're arguing from a position of weakness.

He's a punk?

He was behaving like one then. And his continued refusal to apologize for his behavior only reinforces that perception of him. He's showing the world that he's not an adult voice of reason to be taken seriously. By his own actions (an inaction) and his own refusal to man-up and accept responsibility, he's becoming someone who can be easily dismissed as an angry crank---not as someone who can be a legitimate spokesperson to promote smart gun regulation and safety.

Is he as punky as the smirking catholic kid? Goodness gracious. nt

False equivalencies reveal that you're arguing from a position of weakness. The "smirking Catholic kid" has nothing to do with this.

[UniteFightBack]

53. I was just asking because I would consider the Catholic kid a punk but I would never associate

that work with David Hogg...I mean he would have to do consistent egregious things for me to consider him a punk.

I don't think it's a false equivalence because you called David Hogg a punk and we can both agree that the Catholic kid is a punk so how is that a false equivalence when you are the one equating the two...not me.

[UniteFightBack]

52. I have a quick question...are you able to 'compartmentalize' his comment? That is what I do...

when someone I like makes a comment etc... that I don't like or really disagree with. I box it up in a corner of that person*. If the boxes grow to be too many then there may be a problem here.


* I just reread my post and I hope that makes sense.

[NurseJackie]

54. As progressives we should have higher expectations from our activists. We...

As progressives we should have higher expectations from our activists. We shouldn't be making excuses for him. Nor should be be "compartmentalizing" obvious and vulgar failures so that they're easier to put-away and ignore.

I guess I just have higher standards than those who are willing to make excuses or who are willing to look the other way.

Oh well.

[UniteFightBack]

55. Just be careful that your standards aren't too high. We are talking about people after all...and

people gonna be people, and people ain't perfect.

[NurseJackie]

56. His refusal to apologize is worse than the mistake.

Nobody is perfect. But when mature and responsible individuals make mistakes, they apologize for them. Sadly... His refusal to apologize is worse than the mistake. Instead, he's doubling-down and that only makes it worse. He's an immature brat. Not a very good progressive activist. We deserve better.

[smirkymonkey]

11. Actually, I didn't.

What did he do?

[tonedevil]

13. I haven't heard...

of any apology from him and he was very explicit. Perhaps Whoopi Goldberg can use her platform on The View to lecture him regarding his need to listen to his elders and stop pooping on people.

[NurseJackie]

15. Or he could just man-up instead of acting like a punky brat.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/remysmidt/david-hogg-called-nancy-pelosi-old

He noted Paul Ryan’s age when he became the speaker of the House (at 45, he was elected the youngest-ever speaker), and added, “Older Democrats just won’t move the fuck off the plate and let us take control. Nancy Pelosi is old.”

So rude! He's acting like a disrespectful punk who's full of himself and thinks he can say or do anything he wants.

It really serves no good purpose for him to be lashing-out at people who are on his side. He's making enemies of the people he NEEDS to be on his side.

[tonedevil]

40. Yeah, well that's just like, your opinion, man. /nt

[mainstreetonce]

2. For the children

Are our hope for the future

[Hermit-The-Prog]

3. omg

They will now burn their beards in protest.

[MontanaMama]

4. We can only hope.

[Fuzzpope]

6. Hopefully..

While still attached.

[malaise]

8. You win the thread

[Fuzzpope]

16. Hahaha

[Initech]

9. Amen!

[polmaven]

18. Gillette controversy..

I'm sorry for asking this, but I apparently missed what the whole controversy is over a Gillette commercial! What is it all about?

[SMC22307]

21. Just Google "Gillette toxic masculinity" and you'll see. (n/t)

[polmaven]

27. TY

SMH!!

[calimary]

19. I love this kid!

[Paladin]

20. Well said. Young Mr. Hogg appears to have a bright future. (nt)

[pansypoo53219]

22. they hate PC even more.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

25. Probably Apple users. nt

[Scurrilous]

24. K&R

[JI7]

32. so nice to see this after that shit with the maga trash going after native Americans