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Permanent solution for DACA
And we ll sign the 5.7bn wall
Lets corner him!
BumRushDaShow
(129,979 posts)is interesting....
Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)In a sense, I guess many of us were "hacks" back then.
BumRushDaShow
(129,979 posts)But you know that, right?
shraby
(21,946 posts)DACA and other particulars, but get the government up and running FIRST.
He's at war with his own country, using asylum seekers, DACA and government workers as hostages.
We shouldn't deal with terrorists.
Salviati
(6,009 posts)No negotiation until the government is open.
If it were a crisis, why didn't they do anything when they controlled all the levers of power?
Why did the senate pass a funding bill with no funding for the wall last month?
If it's not a crisis, why is he shutting down the government?
JHB
(37,166 posts)Once he has what he wants, good luck trying to collect on what he promised.
The only deal you can make with Trump is one where you collect everything up front and anything else you can get later is just gravy. The situation with DACA does not fit that description.
walkingman
(7,695 posts)Buckeyeblue
(5,505 posts)Honestly, that would be huge. And the wall is never going to be built. But to trade a pipe dream for a real thing of protection...I think we should jump on that.
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)...permanent DACA in exchange for full funding of the border wall (which was estimated to be $25 billion, not just the $5.7 billion at issue here). Personally, I thought Schumer was being far-too-generous with that offer -- it should have been not only DACA, but a comprehensive immigration solution that would provide a path to citizenship for undocumented residents, asylum-seekers, and family reunification -- but it doesn't matter, because Trump turned that far-too-generous offer down flat.
The fact is, he won't accept any solution that doesn't give him the opportunity to deport and lock out all the brown people, either now or, in the worst case, later. And he won't accept it because, while we could all have debates about the tangible positives and negatives of immigration, the bedrock appeal of Trump's policy isn't economics, crime, or justice. It's racism. He can't give a real inch on that, because his base wants the wall to make sure that white people like themselves continue to be in control. It's the reason that his so-called "border security" concerns include a wall with Mexico, but none with Canada. White people of northern European descent are welcome, anyone else is a danger to be kept out for our own survival. It's why he can't and won't accept a permanent DACA...and why we can't (and, hopefully, won't) accept a border wall.
Buckeyeblue
(5,505 posts)I just wonder as the shutdown continues if 45 might be willing to give us anything we want as long as the wall is included.
I agree with your assessment about his immigration policy being more about racism than anything else.
I think all you have to do to stop most illegal immigration is hold businesses, farms and individuals who hire them to work accountable. At the same time make work Visas easy to get and make the process for an employer to check easy as well.
I, personally, am an open boarder advocate. Especially for neighboring countries.
Xipe Totec
(43,892 posts)YessirAtsaFact
(2,064 posts)Pelosi should offer a wall made of ice.
David__77
(23,627 posts)If they do what you recommend now, then the narrative might become "the Democrats are holding the government hostage for DACA" instead of "Trump is holding the government hostage for a wall."
lancelyons
(988 posts)Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)Srsly??
Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)The wall is stupid, ineffective and wasteful. The government is already waiving all environmental protection laws to build the current sections.
I could live with burning billions of dollars in exchange for something good. I dont agree with negotiating with hostage takers. I dont agree in any case we should allow any more walls built with waived environmental standards.
Takket
(21,702 posts)Permanent DACA
Amnesty and citizenship for any undocumented person who has a clean criminal record five years (years debatable)
full restoration of the ACA
Rollback of the tax scam bill
then MAYBE we can talk.
irisblue
(33,054 posts)Mr. Quackers
(443 posts)who is acting bad faith.