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Sat Jan 19, 2019, 09:46 PM

 

Dems should counter propose on the wall

Permanent solution for DACA


And we ll sign the 5.7bn wall

Lets corner him!

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Reply Dems should counter propose on the wall (Original post)
TheHak Jan 2019 OP
BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #1
Jeffersons Ghost Jan 2019 #18
BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #19
shraby Jan 2019 #2
Salviati Jan 2019 #3
JHB Jan 2019 #4
walkingman Jan 2019 #5
Buckeyeblue Jan 2019 #6
regnaD kciN Jan 2019 #15
Buckeyeblue Jan 2019 #20
Xipe Totec Jan 2019 #7
YessirAtsaFact Jan 2019 #8
David__77 Jan 2019 #9
lancelyons Jan 2019 #10
Shrike47 Jan 2019 #12
Thomas Hurt Jan 2019 #11
Roland99 Jan 2019 #13
Midnightwalk Jan 2019 #14
Takket Jan 2019 #16
irisblue Jan 2019 #17
Mr. Quackers Jan 2019 #21

Response to TheHak (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 09:47 PM

1. Your username

is interesting....

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 20, 2019, 01:02 AM

18. When I worked in media a "hack" was someone who wrote for pay.

In a sense, I guess many of us were "hacks" back then.

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Response to Jeffersons Ghost (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 20, 2019, 06:22 AM

19. It was also slang for a cab driver.

But you know that, right?

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Response to TheHak (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 09:49 PM

2. Nothing, zero until he put the gov't back to work. Then talk about

DACA and other particulars, but get the government up and running FIRST.

He's at war with his own country, using asylum seekers, DACA and government workers as hostages.

We shouldn't deal with terrorists.

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Response to TheHak (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 09:51 PM

3. Offering a counter proposal legitimizes this tactic

No negotiation until the government is open.

If it were a crisis, why didn't they do anything when they controlled all the levers of power?
Why did the senate pass a funding bill with no funding for the wall last month?

If it's not a crisis, why is he shutting down the government?

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Response to TheHak (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 09:53 PM

4. What corner? Trump has a long-standing modus operandi...

Once he has what he wants, good luck trying to collect on what he promised.

The only deal you can make with Trump is one where you collect everything up front and anything else you can get later is just gravy. The situation with DACA does not fit that description.

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Response to TheHak (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 09:54 PM

5. Open the government. Until then the shutdown is Trump's problem. He owns it.

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Response to TheHak (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 09:57 PM

6. I would trade the wall for permanent protection for DACA

Honestly, that would be huge. And the wall is never going to be built. But to trade a pipe dream for a real thing of protection...I think we should jump on that.

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Response to Buckeyeblue (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:05 PM

15. Remember, Schumer made that offer...

...permanent DACA in exchange for full funding of the border wall (which was estimated to be $25 billion, not just the $5.7 billion at issue here). Personally, I thought Schumer was being far-too-generous with that offer -- it should have been not only DACA, but a comprehensive immigration solution that would provide a path to citizenship for undocumented residents, asylum-seekers, and family reunification -- but it doesn't matter, because Trump turned that far-too-generous offer down flat.

The fact is, he won't accept any solution that doesn't give him the opportunity to deport and lock out all the brown people, either now or, in the worst case, later. And he won't accept it because, while we could all have debates about the tangible positives and negatives of immigration, the bedrock appeal of Trump's policy isn't economics, crime, or justice. It's racism. He can't give a real inch on that, because his base wants the wall to make sure that white people like themselves continue to be in control. It's the reason that his so-called "border security" concerns include a wall with Mexico, but none with Canada. White people of northern European descent are welcome, anyone else is a danger to be kept out for our own survival. It's why he can't and won't accept a permanent DACA...and why we can't (and, hopefully, won't) accept a border wall.


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Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 20, 2019, 09:33 AM

20. You are right

I just wonder as the shutdown continues if 45 might be willing to give us anything we want as long as the wall is included.

I agree with your assessment about his immigration policy being more about racism than anything else.

I think all you have to do to stop most illegal immigration is hold businesses, farms and individuals who hire them to work accountable. At the same time make work Visas easy to get and make the process for an employer to check easy as well.

I, personally, am an open boarder advocate. Especially for neighboring countries.

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Response to TheHak (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 09:58 PM

7. We don't negotiate with hostage takers. But thanks for playing. nt

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Response to TheHak (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 10:04 PM

8. If trump's offering a temporary fix for DACA and TPS

Pelosi should offer a wall made of ice.

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Response to TheHak (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 10:11 PM

9. No. Negotiation should occur once government is reopened, and not before.

If they do what you recommend now, then the narrative might become "the Democrats are holding the government hostage for DACA" instead of "Trump is holding the government hostage for a wall."

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Response to TheHak (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 10:16 PM

10. Should have done that 2 weeks ago. Trump comes across as first to meet in middle.

 

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Response to lancelyons (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 10:54 PM

12. Not to sensible people.

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Response to TheHak (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 10:28 PM

11. Trump is betting that the SC ends DACA this fall, the only reason he offered a temp extension.

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Response to TheHak (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 10:57 PM

13. Your first post in at least 90 days is to give him his wall??

Srsly??

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Response to TheHak (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:03 PM

14. How much critical habitat will you trade

The wall is stupid, ineffective and wasteful. The government is already waiving all environmental protection laws to build the current sections.

I could live with burning billions of dollars in exchange for something good. I donít agree with negotiating with hostage takers. I donít agree in any case we should allow any more walls built with waived environmental standards.

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Response to TheHak (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:06 PM

16. DACA isn't enough

Permanent DACA

Amnesty and citizenship for any undocumented person who has a clean criminal record five years (years debatable)

full restoration of the ACA

Rollback of the tax scam bill

then MAYBE we can talk.

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Response to TheHak (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2019, 12:48 AM

17. So what kind of pizza do you like on weekends?

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Response to TheHak (Original post)

Sun Jan 20, 2019, 09:42 AM

21. You can't negotiate with someone

 

who is acting bad faith.

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