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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDid Bernie, Biden and Beto wait too long to get in?
Did they get caught sleeping while Kamala, Elizabeth, and Kirsten got up early and got to gittin'?
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)There's nothing wrong with not having declared yet. Not taking anything away from Kamala (my personal favorite) but it's still incredibly early.
SCantiGOP
(13,869 posts)That Labor Day was the traditional deadline to declare.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)former9thward
(31,987 posts)When JFK ran there were almost none. A few more by 1968. RFK only got in because he saw Johnson's weakness in New Hampshire when McCarthy took him on. In both cases the party bosses controlled the conventions not the people. The 1968 nominee, Humphrey, did not even run in any primaries.
jodymarie aimee
(3,975 posts)we didn't used to have elections that lasted 3 years...and the country fared just fine...oh yeah, the TV guys didn't make mountains of $$$
America has made these endless election cycles normal, and they are anything but...
former9thward
(31,987 posts)A tiny space of time to campaign in a country as big as this one.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Enter too early?
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)The rest of us need to just achieve "proper thought".
Wounded Bear
(58,648 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,648 posts)It's almost too early to be a 'front runner' but we'd have to give that status to Kamala now. She and Elizabeth are defining the parameters of the race so far, and they have some great progressive issues to run with.
I guess I'm saying it doesn't matter when B,B&B enter the race, none of them would win the nomination.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)lark
(23,097 posts)Anyone at all (except maybe HRC) coud win, even Kristen who I don't support. I am keeping my options open and really looking forward to see who all is running and then to the debates. Let the best person win, whoever that may be.
BTW - I will vote for whoever Dems pick in the primary process, REGARDLESS. Not a one of them would be as bad as orange assmsouth - no one.
Wounded Bear
(58,648 posts)I also am open to watching the field develop and will support and vote for the Democratic nominee.
JI7
(89,247 posts)Harris.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)My guess is he may enter the race if he feels that it will be him versus her for the nomination, with him making her his VP pick if he wins it.
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)But I will say that I don't think Biden and Bernie are going to come across well AT ALL standing next to her on a debate stage. It's just yet another reason why they shouldn't run.
question everything
(47,474 posts)Gillibrand came and went and this will happen with Harris, too.
Cha
(297,180 posts)with Kamala.
LuvLoogie
(6,997 posts)I think Hillary will feel at peace, too. Kamala did that well. Beto just wouldn't have the gravitas next to Kamala.
Bernie will run though, and do nothing but attack Kamala as not strong enough against Wall Street, hers being a show candidacy based on identity politics. He won't be able to help himself.
Cha
(297,180 posts)betsuni
(25,475 posts)Ugh. Not looking forward to it.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)both big and small. AND she'll be from one of the first states to make an impact on the primary, a HUGE one. I'd be shocked if California doesn't go for her overall, the way it went for Feinstein. Big money in my state, and door to door canvassing is a blip compared to big money ad campaigns and all the other backing she's expected to get from paper endorsements etc. Assuming Sanders runs, maybe he beats her there(he did get like 44 percent of the vote vs Clinton in a 1v1) but that could only happen if Harris gets serious competition from Biden. Then Sanders might slide in as the anti-establishment option of the three. That's still assuming Warren isn't a presence, though she certainly deserves to be. I'd like to say that, should Sanders not run, she has the same shot at that window, but I'm not confident of that given the kind of hohum reception. That said, this is pre debates, where I think she would absolutely shine.
question everything
(47,474 posts)Personally I want her to explain her stand on Civil Forfeiture that she supported while AG. She opposed a 2011 law restraining the practice of civil asset forfeiture. In 2015 she sponsored a bill to allow authorities to seize suspects assets before filing charges. That year California forfeitures totaled $50 million.
Even if here many do not care, the RW publications will sure use it as headlines.
I am not sure that a Californian (or a New Yorker) can appeal to many in the Midwest and in the South.
Yes, she is biracial like Obama, but while Obama was raised by a single mother, Harris' upbringing is quite upper middle class: a woman who was a breast cancer researcher and her father is an economic professor at Stanford.
No, I am not holding this against her, but she can hardly present herself as "every woman."
But, we will see. I don't think that she will have an easy sailing as many here hope.
And, yes, the little point of pushing Franken out.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I just don't see big Bernie support this time around. And if he tries that no show tax returns thing again, I don't see him making it past the first primary. He will need to disclose much more this time around because he won't have Hillary's emails for cover.
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FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)elleng
(130,877 posts)qazplm135
(7,447 posts)But Bernie now has two progressive women ahead of him to split that vote. He has two POC already in. By the time he jumps in, he's going to be capped at his most enthusiastic supporters.
Beto I think isn't going to come in. His window was tiny to begin with.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)I think the only way EW is going to make noise is if Sanders endorsers her early. I could listen to her for hours. Most of us here could. She doesnt come across as well as we like to think. She almost suffers from Kerry disease. Everything we want but not great at speaking to the lowest common denominator.
I think Gillibrand is going to shock some people with how well she does. She speaks well to our causes and does so forcefully.
I hope the three you mention stay on the sidelines.
I also think we should note what Harris did right today. I promise you that very few of our candidates are going to get the initial coverage Harris did today. I think the networks kind of like her. She brought the crowd and excitement they like. Great day for her. Great start. I was listening on Serius XM CNN and it was a two hour fish fest. A thing of beauty. Nina Turner had nothing but praise.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Kamala
madville
(7,408 posts)Biden can devote 100% of his time to running a campaign and sweeping Iowa, NH, and South Carolina right out of the gate. It's his to lose, but he needs to make a decision in the near future.
betsuni
(25,475 posts)A shot across the bow for any more-progressive-than-thou identity-free candidates who might be thinking of running.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)So, I don't think it's too late for any of them. Sanders has no chance regardless. I hope Biden has enough sense to realize he shouldn't run. I wouldn't blame Beto for running. He's the right age and capitalizing on his popularity would be tempting for anyone. If nothing else, he'll further boost his public profile, further excite the electorate and put himself on Kamala's short list for VP.
The lesser-known candidates are going to have a really tough time raising enough money to compete on Super Tuesday. Even fairly well-known candidates such as Booker and Brown had better announce soon if they plan on running.
RandySF
(58,786 posts)after watching Kamalas speech. If Bernies agenda not so unique this time, then what will he have to offer?
Takket
(21,563 posts)Only a very small percentage of people have choice their primary candidate over a year before primaries start
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)This is a marathon. Not a sprint.
Kamala looks organized and ready.
I think they're better off late and come in like Kamala than rush to announce when they're not ready. First impression is important. The late comers have an advantage, among other things, of trying to pick a platform that will thread it's way through the others. They have a disadvantage, among other things, of being late to get the funding rolling in and maybe the media attention.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)The 3 candidates mentioned in the OP can all raise large sums very quickly, but even so, they aren't going to want to wait much longer.
And if all 3 of them, or even just 2 of them, run, they'll be eating into one another's support in Iowa and New Hampshire. If Harris wins either of those states, she'll be in great shape. If she were to win both of those states, the race is over.
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)It pays off in dividends later because they're still able to chip in.
I think it is way too early for the "huge sums of money early" argument. There is a long, long way to go.
Organize a good launch that will catch the media's attention. Whether they do it now or next March - I think it is almost immaterial compared to a good kickoff.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)And the amount of money raised gets the attention of those weighing who they wish to endorse.
The fact of the matter is, money is a bigger factor than ever before, and that's saying something.
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)But we're more than 11 months before the first primary contest. There are a whole slew of debates and speeches, media appearances, etc to come - all that help to get folks to donate and build momentum.
Hand wringing about money at this juncture is premature. Quick start would help but it is not going to decide to issue.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)I'm just saying that anyone not named Biden or Clinton had better start raising money and building an infrastructure soon. 2020 can't really be compared to previous years.
Of course, I'd prefer Biden and Clinton not run at all--we have better options, including Harris. I'd also prefer Sanders not run, even though he has no chance at winning the nomination.
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)Biden, Clinton and Sanders have had their day and I like them. But it is time for new talent.
The good candidates, whether they've started or when they start, will bring in dough. The internet has changed raising dough substantially.
ecstatic
(32,695 posts)with the dental tour, which is unfortunate because Pres. Obama and Oprah were really interested. I doubt that's still the case.
Kamala has all the momentum now, and today's rollout shows she knows what she's doing.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Never overreact to today. I always keep that in mind. Preferable to ignore today.
Primaries are like-minded people. That dynamic can shift on a dime because everyone is prioritizing and sensing mostly the same thing. Early advantage can be blown away as if it never existed.
If the candidates were lining up to face a general election electorate, then early is important because minds are made up early and not many people shift late.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)...anyone hoping to compete on Super Tuesday needs to start raising large sums of money in the very near future. More money will be required in 2020 than has ever been required before. And big name endorsers are going to be looking at how much candidates are raising in the first quarter of 2019 when weighing who to endorse.
Biden, like Clinton, has enough star power and campaign infrastructure that he can afford to wait. Up to a point.
comradebillyboy
(10,144 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Don't underestimate how important it will be to raise an enormous amount of money and a campaign infrastructure in order to make it through Super Tuesday. Those looking to back a winner will take first quarter donations into account when choosing who to endorse.
Booker, Brown, Inslee and virtually every prospective candidate will announce long before April.
The first debates will take place in June. Candidates aren't likely to wait until the month prior to join the race.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)It's also about contributor's and staff. The candidates who are getting in the race are sewing up donors and snapping up top level staff.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Anyone who doesn't already have a national campaign infrastructure/staff is going to get in the race in the very near future. They're just trying to determine when the best time would be in terms of media coverage.
Record-setting amounts of money will be spent on the 2020 primary. Best get to raising those funds.
Ironically, the DNC's rule change may result in superdelegates being a decisive factor like never before. If there are still half a dozen candidates after Super Tuesday, it may be that no candidate gets to the requisite number of pledged delegates.
Bradshaw3
(7,515 posts)Is there something Bernie, Biden and Beto all have in common that is the problem? Besides, the B in their names.
Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)July might be too late. October definitely is, unless it isn't.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)I expect virtually everyone who is going to run to make their decision known within a few weeks. Biden and Clinton are probably the only ones who can afford to wait a couple more months.
mcar
(42,307 posts)I like him, but I'd rather see him challenge Cornyn. We need D senators.
My guess is that Biden is biding his time to see what the field is like.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)The quick, confident bolt is assuring, as is stolid calm reassuring.