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malaise

(269,157 posts)
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 11:44 AM Jan 2019

The religious right claim to have the right to stop you from

your right to an abortion or birth control pills, but if you leave water for thirsty migrants, the COn and his folks will throw you in prison.

This is one fucked up version of Christianity

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The religious right claim to have the right to stop you from (Original Post) malaise Jan 2019 OP
That IS Christianity today in America DFW Jan 2019 #1
Trump-trolls masquerading as Christians do not follow the teachings of Jesus... Jeffersons Ghost Jan 2019 #6
They would say it's not complete--says zip re abortion, homosexuality bobbieinok Jan 2019 #23
You forgot anti-evolution TrogL Jan 2019 #61
You are so right!! Hard to believe it got left off the 10 commandments! bobbieinok Jan 2019 #63
but those trump trolls Larrybanal Jan 2019 #52
No it's not. It is only the republican version. onecaliberal Jan 2019 #10
Right on, onecaliberal! pazzyanne Jan 2019 #26
Exactly. They do not follow Christ in any way shape or form. onecaliberal Jan 2019 #27
The republican version... the_sly_pig Jan 2019 #33
They're everywhere, the corporate media doesn't tell you about them. Who do you think supports all onecaliberal Jan 2019 #41
Hmph.... another silent majority eh? the_sly_pig Jan 2019 #74
100% but remember they used to be at the top of the said food chain malaise Jan 2019 #75
I agree and you certainly do not have to call yourself a Christian to do good things onecaliberal Jan 2019 #77
I'll tell you where they're NOT canetoad Jan 2019 #42
There are a lot of Christian people opposing Trump. Blue_true Jan 2019 #47
The religious right spends mountains of cash and endless energy Progressive Jones Jan 2019 #50
Kinda sounds like it. calimary Jan 2019 #60
There's actually an interesting read mickswalkabout41 Jan 2019 #2
Makes perfect sense malaise Jan 2019 #9
Doesn't necessarily have to be in early years. docgee Jan 2019 #29
I, too, prefer that abbreviation Fritz Walter Jan 2019 #69
Yeah, I have to agree with you there. docgee Jan 2019 #71
These people did not develop beyond their brain stem and live in fear constantly of some strange kimbutgar Jan 2019 #3
Constantinian Christianity atreides1 Jan 2019 #4
Stange thing is Constantine worshiped Sol Invictus defacto7 Jan 2019 #49
Scary thing, Pence would agree and that's why I don't want Trump Impeached. sarcasmo Jan 2019 #5
The same group that says the presence of LGBT people violates their freedom of religion. Oneironaut Jan 2019 #7
Their way or die malaise Jan 2019 #12
Can we put them all in Texas and build a wall around that? docgee Jan 2019 #30
Then. Blue_true Jan 2019 #48
too busy to read their own book? G_j Jan 2019 #8
I'm a long time atheist but I live by one creed malaise Jan 2019 #11
I've seen them refer to that as a parable FiveGoodMen Jan 2019 #59
Reminds me of a few George Carlin quotes. saidsimplesimon Jan 2019 #13
+1,000 malaise Jan 2019 #14
He is sooooo very missed in these times. RIP George Carlin ... (nt) mr_lebowski Jan 2019 #40
Instead of WWJD it's WTF kairos12 Jan 2019 #15
Sadly, I'm beginning to understand Mr.Bill Jan 2019 #16
KR NT ProudProgressiveNow Jan 2019 #17
Even worse if you are not Christian.... yuiyoshida Jan 2019 #18
The Old Testament was called "Old" for a reason. rickford66 Jan 2019 #19
Christ said, "I come not to destroy the law (old testament) defacto7 Jan 2019 #51
I'm an unbeliever also, but .... rickford66 Jan 2019 #53
Amen defacto7 Jan 2019 #57
Amen!! Preach it loud and clear!! bobbieinok Jan 2019 #20
Because migrants misuse the water... griloco Jan 2019 #21
Now that is genuinely funny. GoneOffShore Jan 2019 #22
DUzy malaise Jan 2019 #34
Good one! lunatica Jan 2019 #37
I Call.... titanicdave Jan 2019 #24
Follow the Money! Ha! busterbrown Jan 2019 #25
That' the absolute truth malaise Jan 2019 #62
No kidding. Pastor needs a new Gulfstream jet & the Queen Lady (whatever wives are called) needs catbyte Jan 2019 #66
Christians who do not speak out loudly against the crazy people on the right claiming redstatebluegirl Jan 2019 #28
The New Christians are all about spreading the love of hatred Buckeyeblue Jan 2019 #31
The Religious Right is All About Patriarchy and White Male Supremacy dlk Jan 2019 #32
I think that like attracts like malaise Jan 2019 #38
The term 'religious right" is a total misnomer. lark Jan 2019 #35
There used to be a bumper sticker that read: Haggis for Breakfast Jan 2019 #45
When I saw border officials destroying water bottles in the desert lunatica Jan 2019 #36
+1,000 malaise Jan 2019 #39
Indeed. Pseudo Christianity is a vile disease Roland99 Jan 2019 #43
If Jesus ever does return Orange Dickhead would deport him. rickyhall Jan 2019 #44
It's like they've turned the Golden Rule into: you only get to decide stuff if you fierywoman Jan 2019 #46
K&R...👍🏼👍🏼 spanone Jan 2019 #54
Now, M, you know how you feel about the Royals? ProudLib72 Jan 2019 #55
"Gods always behave like the people who make them." Zora Neale Hurston. fleabiscuit Jan 2019 #56
I have no problem with religion jls4561 Jan 2019 #58
Religious freedom? keithbvadu2 Jan 2019 #64
Perfectly stated malaise Jan 2019 #65
This isn't too far from where I live: panader0 Jan 2019 #67
You are a truly decent human being malaise Jan 2019 #68
Igualmente sis. panader0 Jan 2019 #70
They are a bunch of psychopaths. Initech Jan 2019 #72
K&R Scurrilous Jan 2019 #73
Republi Con Jesus bible is all about Misogyny and Hate. sarcasmo Jan 2019 #76

DFW

(54,437 posts)
1. That IS Christianity today in America
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 11:46 AM
Jan 2019

Just like the Republican party of today doesn't much resemble the one that won the White House in 1860 or 1864.

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
6. Trump-trolls masquerading as Christians do not follow the teachings of Jesus...
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 12:02 PM
Jan 2019

Nor do they adhere to the Ten Commandments of Moses, for that matter.

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
23. They would say it's not complete--says zip re abortion, homosexuality
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 01:46 PM
Jan 2019

Sites like slacktivist at patheos and thewartburgwatch.com have on-going discussions about the new necessary mark's of a 'true Christian' as defined by Evangelical leaders.

*strongly anti-abortion

*strongly anti-homosexuality

*unwavering belief in 'young earth creationism'

*white, white, white
[slacktivist shows in many posts how Evngelicalism was developed to bolster white supremacy!]

 

Larrybanal

(227 posts)
52. but those trump trolls
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:18 AM
Jan 2019

seem to be all the evangelicals in america...it is more about praying for money than god

the_sly_pig

(741 posts)
33. The republican version...
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 02:38 PM
Jan 2019

Is the only version visible. Where are the moderate Christians and their voices? Nowhere.

onecaliberal

(32,896 posts)
41. They're everywhere, the corporate media doesn't tell you about them. Who do you think supports all
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 04:06 PM
Jan 2019

The charitable organizations to help children and women here and around the world. And so much more.

the_sly_pig

(741 posts)
74. Hmph.... another silent majority eh?
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 04:15 PM
Jan 2019

I am not a christian but I certainly believe in Christ’s teachings. I give to charity, I volunteer at non profits as do many. My question is where are the Protestant and Catholic organizations publicly combating these Pharisees? Nowhere. And becoming more irrelevant day by day.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
75. 100% but remember they used to be at the top of the said food chain
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 04:20 PM
Jan 2019

and continue to enrich themselves.
Money and power are their only god.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
47. There are a lot of Christian people opposing Trump.
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 11:49 PM
Jan 2019

But they are not trying to force their way into issues of state like the rightwing evangelicals are.

Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
50. The religious right spends mountains of cash and endless energy
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:16 AM
Jan 2019

attempting to make us believe that they are some sort of majority. It's a damned PR campaign that's been going on for years.

I'm not any kind of a subscriber to Christianity, but I've spent my entire life in a "Catholic environment" (Chicagoland). Aside from the hardcore anti-abortion crowd, the majority of Catholics in my orbit are moderate people who believe in the words and deeds attributed to Jesus. And yes, they are all upset with the clergy sexual abuse (pedophilia) scandals, and other problems within their church. They do good things for their communities, and as Catholics are taught, they believe in working toward social justice.

For the life of me, I can't understand why American Catholics don't pull back from The Vatican, and form a new, moderate version of their church for the future.

mickswalkabout41

(145 posts)
2. There's actually an interesting read
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 11:51 AM
Jan 2019

Psychological studies show that conservative leaning people experienced much more fear at early stages of development then more liberal leaning folks. It was actually a European study. It seems that most Christian based belief systems rule the masses by fear. Add to that the white supremest movement and it makes perfect sense.

Fritz Walter

(4,292 posts)
69. I, too, prefer that abbreviation
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 09:49 AM
Jan 2019

While its origin is in the Greek letter chi, I prefer to let it signify the algebraic symbol X for 'variable.' As their ascribing certain political positions to the new testament varies according to their own personal beliefs.

X can also stand for unknown value...

kimbutgar

(21,192 posts)
3. These people did not develop beyond their brain stem and live in fear constantly of some strange
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 11:55 AM
Jan 2019

" other" phenomena that is going to come get them. Better not look under you bed there might be an undocumented immigrant who is ms13 and wants to rape you and your women. Steal your stuff and spread Ebola.

atreides1

(16,093 posts)
4. Constantinian Christianity
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 11:56 AM
Jan 2019
https://www.ethicsdaily.com/constantinian-christianity-cms-12212/


In 312 C.E., Constantine, on the night before the Battle of the Milvian Bridge, dreamed that Christ was instructing him to place His sign (a monogram combining X and P, the first letters of Christ’s name) on the soldiers’ shields. For the first time, the symbol of Christ, the Prince of Peace, become one with the instruments of death, war, and conquest.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
49. Stange thing is Constantine worshiped Sol Invictus
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:01 AM
Jan 2019

the sun god at the time. The story of the vision and dream before the Milvian bridge battle was added years later by his biographer Eusebius when it was important to solidify Constantine's power over the masses through the chosen monotheistic religion (Christianity). There's a monument that was built right after the battle that depicts the battle's progression. It starts with Sol Invictus, then there's another Sol Invictus in the middle of the battle and it ends with a meeting of Sol Invictus with Constantine. No dream, no Christ, no sign, no vision. Eusebius admitted to making "medicinal fictions" for the sake of Christ and the church.

I could say a lot more about Constantine but this is enough. He was not a nice man... oops Saint.

That's not to take away from the loving Christ becoming a weapon of war, it's just to add that Christianity became a weapon of war and of politics even from its inception.

sarcasmo

(23,968 posts)
5. Scary thing, Pence would agree and that's why I don't want Trump Impeached.
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 12:00 PM
Jan 2019



Harris/Beto can beat Trump in 2020.

Oneironaut

(5,524 posts)
7. The same group that says the presence of LGBT people violates their freedom of religion.
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 12:05 PM
Jan 2019

They have the right for you not to exist. Anyone who doesn’t adhere to their beliefs is violating their rights.

G_j

(40,371 posts)
8. too busy to read their own book?
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 12:08 PM
Jan 2019

35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

malaise

(269,157 posts)
11. I'm a long time atheist but I live by one creed
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 12:13 PM
Jan 2019

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Some values loke those you mentioned demonstrate basic humanity in or outside of religion.
How do you lock people up for providing water to the thirsty?

There are no words for these racist monsters.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
59. I've seen them refer to that as a parable
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 02:34 AM
Jan 2019

Meaning, I guess, that it's meant to teach some lesson to someone ... else.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
13. Reminds me of a few George Carlin quotes.
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 12:31 PM
Jan 2019

"Religion is just mind control. I would never want to be a member of a group whose symbol was a guy nailed to two pieces of wood."

Then there is Richard Pryor, "There's a lot more hypocrisy than before. Racism has gone back underground."

yuiyoshida

(41,861 posts)
18. Even worse if you are not Christian....
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 01:22 PM
Jan 2019

I have had them chasing me down street, acting like they are trying to save me from the horrors of Buddhism and how I need to change religions really fast so I wouldn't go to their "Hell".

rickford66

(5,528 posts)
19. The Old Testament was called "Old" for a reason.
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 01:36 PM
Jan 2019

I was under the impression that Christianity technically started with The New Testament. The change was from a vengeful God to a loving God. Hard for many GOPers to comprehend I guess.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
51. Christ said, "I come not to destroy the law (old testament)
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:16 AM
Jan 2019

but to fulfill it". So the weird OT is still the law I guess. Why am I quoting scripture? I'm atheist.

rickford66

(5,528 posts)
53. I'm an unbeliever also, but ....
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:21 AM
Jan 2019

let's stone the adulterer in the WH. He "believes" the Old Time Religion.

griloco

(832 posts)
21. Because migrants misuse the water...
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 01:38 PM
Jan 2019

They wanna drink it knowing full well it's for walking on or turning to wine.

titanicdave

(429 posts)
24. I Call....
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 02:07 PM
Jan 2019

.....BULLSHIT.....this is in....NO....WAY......any ......REAL.....example of Christianity.....

malaise

(269,157 posts)
62. That' the absolute truth
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 06:25 AM
Jan 2019

Didn't one of the snake oil salesmen call on the gullible to pay for his jet?

catbyte

(34,452 posts)
66. No kidding. Pastor needs a new Gulfstream jet & the Queen Lady (whatever wives are called) needs
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 09:33 AM
Jan 2019

bigger lines of credit at Harry Winston and Saks.

I can just see Jesus now:

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
28. Christians who do not speak out loudly against the crazy people on the right claiming
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 02:22 PM
Jan 2019

their religion are just as bad. If you truly live by the Bible, good for you, if not, and you let these people hijack your religion you are just a guilty being silent.

Buckeyeblue

(5,502 posts)
31. The New Christians are all about spreading the love of hatred
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 02:32 PM
Jan 2019

They hate women who are subservient to men. They hate any member of the LGBT crowd (and their straight friends). They hate that white people are loosing their majority status. They hate atheists.

They hate all of this so much that they are willing to damn themselves to eternal poverty at the hands of the very rich in order to see their worldview become a reality.

dlk

(11,578 posts)
32. The Religious Right is All About Patriarchy and White Male Supremacy
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 02:37 PM
Jan 2019

They are missing the actual Christianity piece in their teachings. Frankly, it would be more accurate to refer to the religious right at the religious wrong.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
38. I think that like attracts like
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 02:54 PM
Jan 2019

and snake oil sales men find like minded folks among women-hating, racist, corrupt politicians. They share common interests.
They all prey on the gullible and begin with Let us Pray/thoughts and prayers.
Way more people died from gun crimes in this US this month than from any border crossing folks' criminal behavior. They make up stuff to create fear and then prey on that fear.

lark

(23,156 posts)
35. The term 'religious right" is a total misnomer.
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 02:49 PM
Jan 2019

The religious right that is subservient to drumpf is not in the least bit Christian in the meaning shown in the Bible. They are haters who use religion to prop themselves and their egos up because otherwise they'd have to face the emptiness inside of nothing but greed nd hate. Their "religion" isn't about religion, but about hate for the others and joining together with like minded haters. Best proof of this - the gleeful, vicious way these self-styled Christians reacted to babies being thrown in cages and sent off to some "foster" home with no tracking of where they went and no plans to ever reunite them with the parents from whom they were stolen. For all we know, they were sold to child sex slavers, like drumpf used to hang with. No proof of that, but then we have no idea where those hundreds of children disappeared to.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
36. When I saw border officials destroying water bottles in the desert
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 02:51 PM
Jan 2019

I felt that act should be a crime of attempted murder. And their laughter should be one of the counts brought against them. The most gut twisting thing about it is that people wouldn’t know until they arrived at that spot.

fierywoman

(7,694 posts)
46. It's like they've turned the Golden Rule into: you only get to decide stuff if you
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 11:44 PM
Jan 2019

shit on a gold toilet.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
55. Now, M, you know how you feel about the Royals?
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:23 AM
Jan 2019

That's kind of the way I feel about modern Christians... and I do think parallels can be drawn.

keithbvadu2

(36,910 posts)
64. Religious freedom?
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 07:42 AM
Jan 2019

Religious freedom?

Cool: I must/cannot do it because of my religious beliefs.
..... I decide for myself.

Cool?: You must/cannot do it because of my religious beliefs.
..... I decide for you.

Uncool?: I must/cannot do it because of your religious beliefs.
..... You decide for me?

panader0

(25,816 posts)
67. This isn't too far from where I live:
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 09:34 AM
Jan 2019


I have had many migrants pass through my land. I have fed them and clothed them.
Once when I was adding a room to the house two guys showed up and I put them to work with me, then bacon and eggs, a few brews, and a ride to the river.
It's pretty hard to get north from here. There are BPatrol stops on every road north.
Two years ago in St David, Az., a Mormon town past the stops, a young man walked
out of the trees. Hungry and thirsty, he had walked around the stops. He said he
lived in N. Carolina, worked at a furniture factory and had gone home to Mexico for his
father's funeral. He offered 5,000 dollars for a ride to N.C. I knew who to call,
and in a half hour he was on his way home. He wasn't lying.
Come to think of it, I never saw a dime.....
The most touching time was when I walked out early and saw over a dozen migrants
walking quietly through the trees. One young woman carried a small baby. They looked at
me, with sorrow and fear in their eyes. I don't know what happened to them.
The number of migrants is much lower than it was back then.
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