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Wed Jan 30, 2019, 07:54 AM

Okay, here's an odd thought

What if Melania is Trumpie's "handler",,

She's a classic example of a honeypot scheme. She was raised in an iron curtain country and did not leave until the 90's.. She would have made a perfect undercover agent ..

The story about the meeting got me to thinking. She, no doubt, understands Russian, so she was the translator..

Maybe she was sent to the uS to "work" him..

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Reply Okay, here's an odd thought (Original post)
SoCalDem Jan 2019 OP
samnsara Jan 2019 #1
Arkansas Granny Jan 2019 #2
Silver Gaia Jan 2019 #3
Vinca Jan 2019 #4
patricia92243 Jan 2019 #5
wishstar Jan 2019 #7
dewsgirl Jan 2019 #12
dubyadiprecession Jan 2019 #6
magicarpet Jan 2019 #13
karynnj Jan 2019 #16
jberryhill Jan 2019 #8
dewsgirl Jan 2019 #15
ancianita Jan 2019 #18
cwydro Jan 2019 #20
SoCalDem Jan 2019 #46
jberryhill Jan 2019 #22
Pacifist Patriot Jan 2019 #33
watoos Jan 2019 #39
Pacifist Patriot Jan 2019 #45
cwydro Jan 2019 #21
whopis01 Jan 2019 #37
cwydro Jan 2019 #44
safeinOhio Jan 2019 #9
NightWatcher Jan 2019 #10
Trueblue Texan Jan 2019 #11
Soxfan58 Jan 2019 #14
brooklynite Jan 2019 #17
cwydro Jan 2019 #23
magicarpet Jan 2019 #29
cwydro Jan 2019 #32
mart48 Jan 2019 #19
magicarpet Jan 2019 #24
UpInArms Jan 2019 #25
cwydro Jan 2019 #26
FakeNoose Jan 2019 #27
grumpyduck Jan 2019 #28
DFW Jan 2019 #30
Texin Jan 2019 #41
DFW Jan 2019 #42
sagesnow Jan 2019 #31
MontanaMama Jan 2019 #34
Fla Dem Jan 2019 #35
llmart Jan 2019 #36
JohnnyRingo Jan 2019 #38
Texin Jan 2019 #40
Duppers Jan 2019 #43

Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 07:55 AM

1. you arent the only one who has considered this..

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 07:57 AM

2. That theory has been mentioned before. It's plausible.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 08:02 AM

3. I've pondered that before, too.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 08:09 AM

4. That's an interesting thought.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 08:27 AM

5. During the primaries, she did an interview where she said she read every newspaper and magazine

daily and then talked to Trump 8-10 times a day. She is definitely his brain but he also watches Fox - and I assume she does too - or tells him about it.

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Response to patricia92243 (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 08:41 AM

7. She reads all the tabloids and has successfully sued for millions at least twice

She and her legal team make money winning settlements on libel lawsuits, including getting almost $3 million from Daily Mail and recent "substantial" (amount undisclosed) settlement from the Telegraph UK tabloid. The settlements include extra payments for her legal fees.

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Response to patricia92243 (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 08:55 AM

12. I remember along time ago something about them being on a plane, and him being

Infuriated that she was watching CNN.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 08:31 AM

6. So melania married trump in 2006...

To get a head start on a russian plan?

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Response to dubyadiprecession (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 08:57 AM

13. Sure,... why not,... to get her foot in the door...


Er,... ah,... try this,...

To get her synthetic silicone boob in the door.

Hood wink "The Donald" into thinking it is a love induced relationship,... but the intent of the Russians was to play upon the American capitalists weakness of hording money, gluttony and greed,... and play the long game exploiting these weaknesses.

Then using these same weaknesses to destabilize, over throw, then up root American Democracy,... all without firing a shot of bullets and/or missiles commonly found in the antiquated models of fighting ground/land wars.

Not only did Putin win the skirmishes, then the battles,.. Putin has damn near won the Second Cold War, and not one bullet left his guns.

Democracy is a very very fragile thing.

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Response to dubyadiprecession (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 08:58 AM

16. If this wild idea was real, may the initial idea was just for money laundering

Using his expensive real estate.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 08:45 AM

8. What makes you believe she understands Russian?

 


“She, no doubt, understands Russian...”

Is that something you just made up?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 08:57 AM

15. I'm quite sure I have read many articles, about her speaking fluent Russian.

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:08 AM

18. I've read in various sites that she does not. Do you have links?

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:27 AM

20. I've read she does not.

Just being from an Eastern European country doesn’t mean one speaks Russian.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 04:46 PM

46. Slavic languages often overlap somewhat

I took 3 years of Russian in high school, and many years later as a travel consultant, I was often able to help Polish people fill out documents they needed to help their families in Poland visit them..

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:34 AM

22. Then it should be simple to google one up

 

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 10:12 AM

33. According to her official claims...

She's fluent in her native Slovenian as well as English, French, Serbian, and German.

Not to feed into conspiracy theories, but this is a known unknown. If she were an agent, fluency in Russian might be kept under wraps. A uni classmate of mine was fluent in Egyptian Arabic and no one had a clue until he retired from his government analyst position a few years ago.

That being said, I'm not convinced this theory is all that solid.

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #33)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 10:58 AM

39. Besides, the tale that she is fluent in 5 languages is a big stretch.

 

I'm fluent in 5 languages too. When I went to work in Chile I got by just fine by knowing these 2 words; cerveza and banios.

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Response to watoos (Reply #39)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 11:33 AM

45. LOL! Indeed.

I was easily able to get from one end of Spain to the other without going hungry or insulting anyone's mother. But I'd never claim fluency in Spanish though some might consider it as such. Fluency seems to be a relative term these days.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:29 AM

21. The google machine says she does not.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 10:42 AM

37. Don't you get it? That's the proof right there.

Of course she wouldn't want it known that she speaks fluent Russian. That's part of her cover.

The fact that you can't find it on Google is proof that she really is an undercover agent. Why else wouldn't it show up?


/sarcasm

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Response to whopis01 (Reply #37)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 11:22 AM

44. Lol.

Yes she’s an obvious mastermind!



These kind of threads are a hoot!

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 08:47 AM

9. Daddy, Daughter spy team.

Check out daddy on the google. He has always been on the shady side.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 08:49 AM

10. Are you suggesting that trump can be lead around by his dick? And that knowledge of this could be

exploited?

His history of womanizing shows that a honeypot would be a good method to employ to get control over him.

If this were a movie, it'd be too predictable and no one would watch it. Instead, we're living it.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 08:53 AM

11. I've also been thinking this.

Makes perfect sense.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 08:57 AM

14. My wife has been saying that.

And it makes sense.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 08:59 AM

17. Except that Yugoslavia (containing Slovenia) wasn't in the Russian orbit

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...and besides, when Melania became an adult, it had become a western Democracy.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:35 AM

23. Don't let inconvenient facts get in the way.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #23)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:47 AM

29. Don't laugh too hard....

Czechoslovakia’s former spy agency targeted Donald Trump in the 1980s as part of a mission to gain information about the US government, archive files have revealed.

The country's intelligence service, Státní bezpečnost (StB), began their operation to spy on Mr Trump in 1977, when he married his first wife, Ivana Zelníčková. 

The operation was based in Miss Zelníčková's hometown Zlín in south-west Czechoslovakia and relied on tips from her father Miloš Zelníček, according to files seen by The Guardian newspaper.

Link to more details,....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/10/29/czechoslovakias-spy-agency-targeted-donald-trump-1980s-wife/

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Response to magicarpet (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 10:12 AM

32. What does that have to do with Melania, who was 7 years old in another country at that time?

Lol.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:16 AM

19. Nothing odd about it. It's an obvious possibility.

 

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Response to mart48 (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:38 AM

24. KGB long game to destabilize American Democracy.

This makes the CIA envious that they had not thunk it first.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:39 AM

25. Been thinking that for quite some time now

GMTA

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:40 AM

26. No idea why you think she "no doubt" understands Russian.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:44 AM

27. It's possible but not likely

I say that because Maria Butina is an example of a honey pot spy operator. Melania's behavior all these years has been very different from Butina's. Melania is more like a woman who is predisposed towards falling in love with a very rich man while ignoring how disgusting he really is.

I'm thinking that after her relationship with Trump became big news, Melania (or her parents) may have been visited by the KGB agents in Slovenia. Perhaps threats were been made against her family members if she didn't report on Trump's activities. But reporting on him vs. controlling him are two very different things. Putin the master KGB spy handler is the only controller for Trump.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:46 AM

28. Speaking fluent Russian is probably not a prerequisite

for being a Russian agent. Besides, what if she's denying she speaks it?

The language itself is irrelevant.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 09:55 AM

30. Slovenian and Russian are not mutually intelligible

They are both Slavic, of course, but just like Swedish and Dutch are Germanic languages, they are not mutually intelligible either. Also, Yugoslavia was no friend of the Soviet Union, and the Slovenians in particular felt more affinity with Austria than they did with their pre-independence Serbian masters in Beograd. Plus, since Tito split from the Warsaw Pact in 1948, most Yugoslav schools no longer taught Russian as a mandatory language in their schools. In Slovenia and northern Croatia, the first foreign language was German or Italian, depending on what was closest. Anyway, before World War I, coastal Croatia was part of Italy, and most of the rest of the rest of the future Yugoslavia was part of the Hapsburg (Austro-Hungarian) Empire. It sure saved my sorry ass when I first visited there in the 1970s, because although my Slovenian was non-existent, I could get along fine in German and Italian. Russian would have been fine for me, too, but they didn't understand it.

Bit of Yugoslav tivia: though Tito ruled from Beograd and fought with the Partisans against the Ustashe during World War II, he was actually half Croatian, half Slovene.

Melania would have had to undergo some thorough, years-long training for this gig if she was a KGB/FSB plant, and her CV doesn't have, as far as I know, long enough a gap to have allowed for it.

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Response to DFW (Reply #30)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 11:09 AM

41. During the Soviet era, they actively recruited such candidates at a very, very early age.

Those with above average intelligence, aptitude and physical superiority - including beauty and handsomeness - would have been key factors in those chosen to become their intelligence agents. And they would have been recruited and turned before they hit their teens. Both Ivana before her (also a model), and now Melania, would have fit the bill quite nicely. Eastern Europe during the Soviet era was no walk in the garden of earthly delights. Recruiting such folks would have been like shooting fish in a barrel and the parents of such chosen ones would have been all in for it, because they and their families would have benefited from the largesse of the Soviet government.

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Response to Texin (Reply #41)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 11:15 AM

42. Ivana was a different story altogether.

She was older and Czech, and so very much a citizen of the Soviet Empire. In her day, they DID all study Russian in school, and answered to their colonial masters. Czech, being a Western Slavic language, is not mutually intelligible with Russian either, but ALL Czech kids were forced to learn it until 1990.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 10:11 AM

31. Great minds think alike...

I posted this a couple of years ago: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=journals&uid=153316&year=2017&month=1

She fits the "handler" profile to a tee, if you ask me.

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Response to sagesnow (Reply #31)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 10:28 AM

34. Wow.

A couple of years ago, I would have said that your theory would have been a stretch. Today, I would believe anything is possible.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 10:38 AM

35. Have always thought exactly that and have suggested it before. Ivana too!

Not only Melania, but also Ivana who was a Czechoslovakian who conveniently married an Austrian in 1972 and through him obtained an Austrian passbook in 1972. They moved to Canada and she divorced him in 1973. All this time she had a Czech boyfriend since 1967. She lived with in Montreal until she met Trump in 1976 and married him in 1977, becoming a naturalized US citizen in 1988.

According to The Guardian, her father - Miloš Zelníček - was an informer for Czechoslovakia's Státní bezpečnost (StB) intelligence service and relayed information from Ivana Trump

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivana_Trump

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 10:39 AM

36. I don't know if your theory is correct but...

one thing I do know is that she is NOT as benign an individual as she wants people to believe. I think she puts on a very good act of being the submissive little woman who loved a man who doesn't have the ability to love back and she just doesn't know what to do about it. I think she knows exactly what she's doing.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 10:53 AM

38. I've believed it all along

She's a beautiful model from Slovenia who speaks six languages. Plus, she's still with him. She's probably shoveling secrets out of the White House on a daily basis.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 11:01 AM

40. I've wondered this for quite some time. And that goes (almost) double for ol' Ivana.

He has been married to (with the exception of Maples) women of Eastern European (former Soviet Balkan) countries. And during at least the mid to late '80s, he's been trying to work deals in Russia. There is no good reason why a woman who looks like Melania and is twenty+ years younger than he is would legitimately stay with this freak unless she was planted there for some reason other than *love*. She's the more useful part of Putin's scheme. Somebody that knows the language has got to be able to translate his gibberish for Putin on the Red Phone.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 11:20 AM

43. A big NOPE. nt

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