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Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 11:19 AM Jan 2019

Here's a question for Schultz. Why do so many of his employees live in poverty?

He's a billionaire at the expense of his employees. He runs a massive global corporation. So why can't his employees afford the basics of life? Health insurance? Rent/mortgage? Transportation?

The perception is that jobs at Starbucks or McDonald's are not REAL jobs, but something teens do for spending money. That perception is false. This perception is at the heart of income inequality.

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Here's a question for Schultz. Why do so many of his employees live in poverty? (Original Post) Yavin4 Jan 2019 OP
Oh for Goodness Sakes,.. magicarpet Jan 2019 #1
Probabaly because SoCalNative Jan 2019 #2
Unfortunately, in this economy, some of them may have to. Yavin4 Jan 2019 #4
I never went to college SoCalNative Jan 2019 #10
It's a logical fallacy to project your anecdotal experience onto a demographic as a whole. LanternWaste Jan 2019 #15
How many decades ago? The economy and job market is not the same as yesterday. peacefrogman Jan 2019 #24
I got the job I have now SoCalNative Jan 2019 #27
Did you accumulate a work history experience resume? peacefrogman Jan 2019 #30
Right because they are 'entry' level jobs except they are not. Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #11
They do in plenty of other countries. What's dishonorable about serving food and drinks.. lostnfound Jan 2019 #33
And his answer will be... Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #3
Starbucks provides Health Insurance to employees. maxsolomon Jan 2019 #5
Don't swallow corporate propaganda Yavin4 Jan 2019 #7
I've just never heard that they don't provide health insurance maxsolomon Jan 2019 #14
I just helped my future DIL get on Medicaid because she can't get their insurance which I have been Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #18
Except that does not tell us what they are making as a wage and what their share of the insurance GemDigger Jan 2019 #8
Neither does the poster I'm responding to. maxsolomon Jan 2019 #13
Do you think Starbucks employees who start in Ohio at $9.00 per hour can afford Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #9
OK, thanks for the "links". maxsolomon Jan 2019 #12
Any company that starts their employees at $9.00 hour, keeps them at part time to avoid Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #17
Is that what Starbucks does? Keeps Baristas at part-time to avoid insuring them? maxsolomon Jan 2019 #19
My daughter's friend spent a year on starvation wages trying to get fulltime and get the insurance Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #25
Starbucks execs get all sorts of goodies...like childcare, insurance, bonuses...but the little Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #21
When I worked for Walmart they did offer insurance. Doreen Jan 2019 #31
That is not the case now from what I hear. Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #34
My daughter worked there for 2 years during college. MoonchildCA Jan 2019 #28
Sounds about par for part-time employment in America maxsolomon Jan 2019 #29
I remember that ( painfully. ) Doreen Jan 2019 #32
All that is still true. Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #35
That is what I say. My future DIL works for Starbucks and it is nothing like people think it is. Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #6
I thought he wasn't the CEO anymore? maryellen99 Jan 2019 #16
He isn't A HERETIC I AM Jan 2019 #20
He is not CEO but is still with the company and he set up these shitty polices including the free Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #26
Just to clarify, he's no longer their employer... brooklynite Jan 2019 #22
He's still a major shareholder Yavin4 Jan 2019 #23

magicarpet

(14,150 posts)
1. Oh for Goodness Sakes,..
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 11:45 AM
Jan 2019

You make it sound like being rich is a sin.

Haven't you heard of the "Prosperity Gospels According to Jesus" ? Read your Good Book sometime.

Besides what is that royal catch all phrase ?

"Let them eat croissants and kosher bagels smeared with dollops Russian caviar."

Anyways, there are ample crumbs on the floor below the royal buffet tables,... for the serving and clean up crews to grab a nourishing snack.

[Better not forget this or I might get shot.]

SoCalNative

(4,613 posts)
2. Probabaly because
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 12:33 PM
Jan 2019

Baristas and burger flippers shouldn't count on those kinds of jobs as a lifelong career?

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
4. Unfortunately, in this economy, some of them may have to.
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 01:09 PM
Jan 2019

Food service sector jobs are real jobs, and may indeed be a career for these people. Not everyone is going to be able to go to college and get a big paying corporate job.

SoCalNative

(4,613 posts)
10. I never went to college
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 01:34 PM
Jan 2019

but managed to get gigs in the corporate and other worlds (non-service industry) and currently have a very good paying job at a large entertainment corporation.

 

peacefrogman

(76 posts)
24. How many decades ago? The economy and job market is not the same as yesterday.
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 02:53 PM
Jan 2019

Many graduate out of college with a degree and end up with two part time jobs that have nothing to do with their degree and living with three roommates.

 

peacefrogman

(76 posts)
30. Did you accumulate a work history experience resume?
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 04:10 PM
Jan 2019

That takes us a long way and we were able to start out in a different place than younger generations today. From what I see the job market is different today for those walking out of college than previous generation but unless seen up close, I doubt it will be recognized.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
11. Right because they are 'entry' level jobs except they are not.
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 01:34 PM
Jan 2019

McDonald's makes the same claim and we don[t support them...Schulz has bribed us with his 'good ' works...but is a terrible employer and would make a horrific president....but of course he just wants to spoil the election so Trump wins and Schultz keeps his tax cuts.

lostnfound

(16,179 posts)
33. They do in plenty of other countries. What's dishonorable about serving food and drinks..
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 05:28 AM
Jan 2019

As an occupation? Not everyone is cut out to be doctors and engineers.

Every full time job can and should be compensated by a living wage. Our economy is so distorted and top heavy, it seems unrealistic.

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
7. Don't swallow corporate propaganda
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 01:27 PM
Jan 2019
"Every single thing you experience that makes you love the company is designed to manipulate you into doing so. It's not a company; it's a cult that pays $9 per hour." — A former Starbucks employee who recently left the company after working in Florida for about a year



https://www.businessinsider.com/worst-parts-of-working-at-starbucks-2017-5

maxsolomon

(33,338 posts)
14. I've just never heard that they don't provide health insurance
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 01:41 PM
Jan 2019

They say they do. Nothing in tyour link says they don't.

I don't think I swallowed anything. I'm asking for facts. I recognize they don't pay a great hourly wage. They do allow tips, and people do tip.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
18. I just helped my future DIL get on Medicaid because she can't get their insurance which I have been
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 02:06 PM
Jan 2019

told is pretty shitty anyway. They have free market principle...high deductibles ...only pay for what you 'use' what really means what you can afford.

" In a letter to workers, Starbucks Chief Executive Howard Schultz said the company is "evolving" its benefits program so that employees (or "partners" in Starbucks-speak) "may shop, compare and choose health coverage with the similar convenience and personalization people experience when they shop, compare and choose airlines and airfare."

GemDigger

(4,305 posts)
8. Except that does not tell us what they are making as a wage and what their share of the insurance
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 01:29 PM
Jan 2019

cost is. Someone making minimum wage cannot afford even the cheapest insurance. Unless of course that Starbucks pays 100% of insurance which is highly doubtful.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
9. Do you think Starbucks employees who start in Ohio at $9.00 per hour can afford
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 01:30 PM
Jan 2019

the insurance or tuition reimbursement? Starbucks sucks in terms of employment. They pay worse than Walmart and Walmart does provide insurance these days. Also, most employees are kept part time...and not because they go to college either...to make sure the employee doesn't take the insurance. You posted a Starbucks link which is total bullshit propaganda. Try reading some of the many links available that are first hand accounts from people who work there.

maxsolomon

(33,338 posts)
12. OK, thanks for the "links".
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 01:34 PM
Jan 2019

I have friends that work there who love the company.

They're not entry-level baristas.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
17. Any company that starts their employees at $9.00 hour, keeps them at part time to avoid
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 02:01 PM
Jan 2019

having them take insurance is scum. Sure some like it more don't. I know kids desperate for Trans surgery promised who left a fairly good paying job in the hopes of getting surgery but can't get the insurance...he recently gave up.

maxsolomon

(33,338 posts)
19. Is that what Starbucks does? Keeps Baristas at part-time to avoid insuring them?
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 02:09 PM
Jan 2019

It wouldn't be shocking, but that's what I'm asking.

As for your Trans acquaintance, they left Starbucks? Not sure of the relevancy.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
25. My daughter's friend spent a year on starvation wages trying to get fulltime and get the insurance
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 02:54 PM
Jan 2019

couldn't do it so he left...the insurance sucks because Schultz in 16 did a bait and switch where he raised wages ( where?) and downgraded insurance so employees could choose their level of coverage like and airplane ticket he said...shitty insurance but it is better than nothing except part time workers can't get it...they don't make enough to get it . Starbucks is a giant fraud. Walmart pays more and insures their workers.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
21. Starbucks execs get all sorts of goodies...like childcare, insurance, bonuses...but the little
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 02:18 PM
Jan 2019

people... well Schultz downgraded their insurance and told them they were lucky they had 'choices'...like buying an airline ticket. He sucks and so does the company. And they pretend to be socially conscioius which is infuriating.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
31. When I worked for Walmart they did offer insurance.
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 04:43 PM
Jan 2019

HOWEVER it cost an outrageous amount. It really was very unaffordable to most people who worked there. The highest plan covered less than Medicare. When a company boast that they offer insurance they might as well not offer it due to cost.

MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
28. My daughter worked there for 2 years during college.
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 03:32 PM
Jan 2019

You needed to average a minimum of 20 (or maybe it was 24) hours per week to qualify.

On occasion, she would get over 30 hours in one week, but they would also throw weeks at her where she only worked two days, and often only one day, so she would never exceed the minimum required hours.

They did this to many of her fellow coworkers as well--none of her close friends who worked there had insurance either. This is before Obamacare kicked in.

Also, if you called in sick, you had to get your own shift covered. It didn't matter how sick you were. You had an employee list of your store and all the surrounding stores, and you called and called until you found someone.

maxsolomon

(33,338 posts)
29. Sounds about par for part-time employment in America
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 03:44 PM
Jan 2019

Another reason to have Insurance separated from Employment.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
32. I remember that ( painfully. )
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 04:59 PM
Jan 2019

They also enjoyed changing your schedule while you were gone after you checked before you left. We were treated like thieves. Way to many people who were the so called leaders, when you had several who kept telling you that what you were doing was wrong and to fix it in an hours time. They never sent a fill in for your break even if you told them early enough to find one and you were the one who got into trouble for not taking your break but if you left without a fill in you got in trouble for taking a break. You were never suppose to not help a customer no matter what but if you were headed for break or lunch and was late because you helped a customer you got into trouble. I could go on and on. I hated that place.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
26. He is not CEO but is still with the company and he set up these shitty polices including the free
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 03:02 PM
Jan 2019

market insurance ...in 16. I would love to know how he did this since it violates AVA coverage.

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