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Any presidential hopeful who helped railroad Al Franken is in my dog house... (Original Post) Joe941 Feb 2019 OP
x 1000 mac56 Feb 2019 #1
Who would you say your preferred candidate is right now? bearsfootball516 Feb 2019 #2
It's going to interesting to see what Stone's search turns up on this. n/t CincyDem Feb 2019 #3
ditto vlyons Feb 2019 #4
My ultimate candidate for president is one that gets an GWC58 Feb 2019 #7
+1000 vlyons Feb 2019 #11
A high NRA rating is shocking considering she is from upstate NY...SHOCKING! nt UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #14
Because she lives in the gun area. Historic NY Feb 2019 #18
She is from Upstate NY mgardener Feb 2019 #65
Now, she actually votes AGAINST Trump more than any other Senator JaneQPublic Feb 2019 #76
The fact that she was willing to work defending the dispensers of poison (tobacco) tells me she is jalan48 Feb 2019 #77
Me too. 3Hotdogs Feb 2019 #5
When you say "Doghouse" violetpastille Feb 2019 #23
Fishing for TOS violations? Nice! Nt kelly1mm Feb 2019 #29
No, actually. violetpastille Feb 2019 #33
Since you put quote marks and that language kelly1mm Feb 2019 #34
There goes Harris then SHRED Feb 2019 #6
It eliminates all declared and potential Democratic cnadidates except Bloomberg. The OP obviously still_one Feb 2019 #42
John Delaney...... kelly1mm Feb 2019 #92
Wipes out over half of our current field. Sanders, Gabbard, Warren, Gillibrand, Harris. WeekiWater Feb 2019 #8
"Maybe Manchin will jump in." --Thread win! CrispyQ Feb 2019 #52
lol. JHan Feb 2019 #79
Add Cory Booker to that list too. NYC Liberal Feb 2019 #98
At this point, what is done is done. And I want the best Democratic candidate possible aikoaiko Feb 2019 #9
Mine too! ananda Feb 2019 #10
So we've eliminated every Democratic Senator... brooklynite Feb 2019 #12
That is about right! Calling for Sen. Franken kelly1mm Feb 2019 #30
Agreed! n/t SansACause Feb 2019 #108
Yeah and what does that mean? nt UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #13
For me it means not voting for any of them kelly1mm Feb 2019 #31
Makes me wonder who's side you are on. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #51
I am on the side of those who did not throw kelly1mm Feb 2019 #90
After the 8th person a congressional staffer that many Senators knew came out that broke the UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #100
With 38 Senators suggesting Franken resign, I think if I was Russia, this is what I would use. peacefrogman Feb 2019 #15
You might want to check out who all is on that list. CrispyQ Feb 2019 #16
Yep! That's them! Calling for Sen. Franken kelly1mm Feb 2019 #32
Looks like the OP is all in for Bloomberg.... hmmmmmm, "Schultz"?????????? still_one Feb 2019 #43
Yes. And don't think some of my ex-favorites aren't on that list. LakeArenal Feb 2019 #45
35 Dem Senators asked Al to resign. I do not hold a grudge against any of them. riversedge Feb 2019 #49
Then perhaps, the senate is not the place to look for the next president question everything Feb 2019 #75
People quit saying what you don't want and letting one thing treestar Feb 2019 #17
Why? Isn't promoting the negatives and "one thing-ism" the best way to divide us? FSogol Feb 2019 #46
i don't care about that one bit. the next dem candidate Kurt V. Feb 2019 #19
+1000 themaguffin Feb 2019 #21
+100000000 treestar Feb 2019 #101
I love Al, but not with you on this. themaguffin Feb 2019 #20
+1 violetpastille Feb 2019 #22
Really? You seem to be all in for Bernie. MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #24
they usually are. I guess it was only bad that democrats did it JI7 Feb 2019 #25
It's completely obvious. MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #27
Both Senators in Vermont, including Sanders called on Franken to resign still_one Feb 2019 #44
If so then the OP must think Bernie is a dog since he joined the chorus asking Franken to resign still_one Feb 2019 #37
Bernie is irrelevant to this Dem. Not worth a mention LakeArenal Feb 2019 #47
You're for Bernie though, sounds a little bit forked uponit7771 Feb 2019 #71
I was for Bernie. Looking more at Biden these days. Joe941 Feb 2019 #73
So what changed? namahage Feb 2019 #109
then why do you support Bernie Sanders ? JI7 Feb 2019 #26
Moving more towards Biden these days. Joe941 Feb 2019 #74
I understand being pissed... but I'm voting for the Democratic candidate defacto7 Feb 2019 #28
Dem candidates calling for Franken to resign: Harris, Gillibrand, Brown, Warren, Booker, Sanders, still_one Feb 2019 #35
There are many other declared candidates. kelly1mm Feb 2019 #93
I am sure I missed some, and my Bloomberg response was being sarcastic still_one Feb 2019 #99
That eliminates most lame54 Feb 2019 #36
Including Bernie Sanders. Interesting choices left for the OP still_one Feb 2019 #39
That's what primaries are for. Mopar151 Feb 2019 #38
Exactly. Elimination by personal choices. LakeArenal Feb 2019 #54
I'm as pissed about Al Franken as anyone else. AirmensMom Feb 2019 #40
I'm with you. SansACause Feb 2019 #41
That eliminates every candidiate or potential candidate that will run for the Democratic nomination still_one Feb 2019 #48
This thread is..sure interesting. n/t violetpastille Feb 2019 #56
Isn't it though. still_one Feb 2019 #59
i'm laughing my ass off :) JHan Feb 2019 #80
Not really. Joe stays high in the polls. LakeArenal Feb 2019 #61
Good point, however, in my view Beto isn't going to run, and neither is Schiff. Biden was quiet on still_one Feb 2019 #66
You rationalize your choices. I'll mine. LakeArenal Feb 2019 #70
I am not rationalizing my choices, and I haven't made my mind up yet, though believe it or not I still_one Feb 2019 #82
I believe you. LakeArenal Feb 2019 #89
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Feb 2019 #97
So you're giving Stone a two for Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #50
Anyone who takes this black and white absolute position makes me wonder which side they are on. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #53
This is pure flamebait. The OP is saying this is the ONE ISSUE that determines who he will vote still_one Feb 2019 #68
I just listened to a Gillibrand interview on MPR... the_sly_pig Feb 2019 #55
..who said the same thing she did. brooklynite Feb 2019 #57
you do realize that both Harris and Warren jumped on the band wagon asking for Franken to resign? still_one Feb 2019 #62
Both of whom Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #85
Sen. Gillibrand also has her work for tobacco kelly1mm Feb 2019 #94
Look, I think that Franken should have been given the chance watoos Feb 2019 #58
Drama. That's totally not true in a primary. LakeArenal Feb 2019 #72
Well said nt Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #86
To each their own JustAnotherGen Feb 2019 #60
I know this is not grandpamike1 Feb 2019 #63
AMEN!!!! samnsara Feb 2019 #64
Democratic Candidate Progressive2020 Feb 2019 #67
So Booker, Harris and Warren Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #87
Don't underestimate the kindly librarian's treestar Feb 2019 #102
Yeah, Maybe Progressive2020 Feb 2019 #105
It's a factor in my decision, but not the only one Mr. Ected Feb 2019 #69
I didn't like it, but ooky Feb 2019 #78
I am not going to get involved in murielm99 Feb 2019 #81
Good for you Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #88
they won't have my support green917 Feb 2019 #83
Supporter of Al!! marieo1 Feb 2019 #84
I couldn't care less who is in your dog house. Sorry, but it's the truth. That is all Squinch Feb 2019 #91
Amen oberliner Feb 2019 #95
High scores from the NRA are also a problem for me Luciferous Feb 2019 #96
We have to forgive the co-signers, but I'd like know who besides Gillibrand was the pot stirrer? LiberalLovinLug Feb 2019 #103
Same here. sandensea Feb 2019 #104
.... LexVegas Feb 2019 #106
I've been around politics a long time. Scruffy1 Feb 2019 #107
Yellow dog dem here will vote for the candidate. Duppers Feb 2019 #110

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
4. ditto
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:21 PM
Feb 2019

and let us not forget that one presidential aspirant was at one time a lawyer defending tobacco and had a high NRA rating. That's not a background that will attract my vote.

GWC58

(2,678 posts)
7. My ultimate candidate for president is one that gets an
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:25 PM
Feb 2019

“F” grade by the NRA and an “A” rating by NORML. 🤔

mgardener

(1,812 posts)
65. She is from Upstate NY
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 02:52 PM
Feb 2019

Only pockets of Democratic voters up here
We also have the deplorable Elise Stefanik (R) as our Congress Rep
I will not support her candidacy after what she did to Al Franken.
Elizabeth Warren would be my choice at this time.

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
76. Now, she actually votes AGAINST Trump more than any other Senator
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 03:09 PM
Feb 2019

According to Nate Silver's FiveThirtyEight, She has voted with Trump on 11.4 percent of the time.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/



jalan48

(13,841 posts)
77. The fact that she was willing to work defending the dispensers of poison (tobacco) tells me she is
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 03:11 PM
Feb 2019

ethically challenged.

violetpastille

(1,483 posts)
23. When you say "Doghouse"
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 01:32 PM
Feb 2019

Do you mean "peeved at"

or do you mean "not going to vote for if chosen as Democratic nominee for President"?

still_one

(92,061 posts)
42. It eliminates all declared and potential Democratic cnadidates except Bloomberg. The OP obviously
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 02:27 PM
Feb 2019

thought his preference didn't call for Franken resignation, unless his preference is Bloomberg

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
8. Wipes out over half of our current field. Sanders, Gabbard, Warren, Gillibrand, Harris.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:25 PM
Feb 2019

Maybe Manchin will jump in. He stood on the right side of history, in this instance.

aikoaiko

(34,162 posts)
9. At this point, what is done is done. And I want the best Democratic candidate possible
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:27 PM
Feb 2019

Beating Trump and advancing our priorities is more important than Al Franken.

Having said that I think Al Franken as a sitting Senator would have been the best candidate for the Democratic party for President.


brooklynite

(94,331 posts)
12. So we've eliminated every Democratic Senator...
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:29 PM
Feb 2019

That leaves you with four Governors, 3-4 House members and Pete Buttigieg.

kelly1mm

(4,732 posts)
31. For me it means not voting for any of them
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 02:04 PM
Feb 2019

in the primaries and pointing out to anyone I can their lack of judgement to be President.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
100. After the 8th person a congressional staffer that many Senators knew came out that broke the
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 04:53 PM
Feb 2019

camels back. The hypocrisy regarding this is mind boggling.

 

peacefrogman

(76 posts)
15. With 38 Senators suggesting Franken resign, I think if I was Russia, this is what I would use.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:33 PM
Feb 2019

A consideration.

CrispyQ

(36,420 posts)
16. You might want to check out who all is on that list.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:39 PM
Feb 2019
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/06/full-list-senators-call-for-al-franken-to-resign-282175

Feinstein - CA
Harris - CA
Bennet - CO
Murphy - CT
Carper - DE
Nelson - FL
Hirono - HI
Duckworth - IL
Durbin - IL
Donnelly - IN
Markey - MA
Warren - MA
King - ME
Peters - MI
Stabenow - MI
McCaskill - MO
Tester - MT
Heitkamp - ND
Hassan - NH
Booker - NJ
Heinrich - NM
Udall - NM
Gillibarnd - NY
Schumer - NY
Brown - OH
Merkley - OR
Wyden - OR
Casey - PA
Reed - RI
Whitehouse - RI
Leahy - VT
Sanders - VT
Cantwell - WA
Murray - WA
Baldwin - WI

kelly1mm

(4,732 posts)
32. Yep! That's them! Calling for Sen. Franken
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 02:06 PM
Feb 2019

To resign shows they lack the judgement to be President. Thanks for the list by the way!

LakeArenal

(28,802 posts)
45. Yes. And don't think some of my ex-favorites aren't on that list.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 02:31 PM
Feb 2019

I’m talking to you,Cory Booker who announced on the View today and you, Tammy Baldwin.

question everything

(47,431 posts)
75. Then perhaps, the senate is not the place to look for the next president
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 03:09 PM
Feb 2019

Until Obama the presidents had some executive experience.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
17. People quit saying what you don't want and letting one thing
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:41 PM
Feb 2019

be something that will "not get my vote."

Tell us who you want and why.

Just picking the worst about a person and then having their supporters try to defend it does not work out for us. Didn't we learn this?

FSogol

(45,446 posts)
46. Why? Isn't promoting the negatives and "one thing-ism" the best way to divide us?
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 02:31 PM
Feb 2019

Seems to be working! ?

violetpastille

(1,483 posts)
22. +1
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 01:30 PM
Feb 2019

Al Franken is not going to sit out the GE if the Democratic nominee was one of those who encouraged him to resign.

I'm am certain he will not.

Voting for the Democratic nominee is mandatory for Democrats.

JI7

(89,239 posts)
25. they usually are. I guess it was only bad that democrats did it
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 01:43 PM
Feb 2019

bernie doesn't count since he isn't a democrat

namahage

(1,157 posts)
109. So what changed?
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 08:26 PM
Feb 2019

It's not like the letter, and Sen. Franken's resignation, happened just in the past few days.

Bernie's participation in the "railroading" of Franken wasn't a dealbreaker then. So why now?

still_one

(92,061 posts)
35. Dem candidates calling for Franken to resign: Harris, Gillibrand, Brown, Warren, Booker, Sanders,
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 02:09 PM
Feb 2019

gee that leaves Bloomberg

I only listed the potential or declared candidates

Mopar151

(9,974 posts)
38. That's what primaries are for.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 02:11 PM
Feb 2019

Oddly enough, the voters of Snow Crab, NH and Haybale IA will grill them quite thoroughly on this. Many of us are all worn out on manufactured scandal, and a lot of us liked Al.

NH has extra baggage to consider - Political "kneecapping" is a stock in trade for the Republican/Bircher politicans and media. to wit: Wil Delker, Ed Muskie

AirmensMom

(14,637 posts)
40. I'm as pissed about Al Franken as anyone else.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 02:24 PM
Feb 2019

However, Dems insist on proving that requiring a purity test loses elections for us. The Republicans vote for a sack of rocks if it had an R beside its name. Consequently, we end up with someone worse than any Dem could be on their worst day. I'm going to do what the Repubs do in the GE: Vote for whatever sack of rocks has a D beside its name. Well, actually, there are no sacks or rocks running on our side. I'll vote for our candidate. Period. Seriously, anything else is suicide. And if you can't get behind the person who wins the Democratic primary, you don't belong here.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
48. That eliminates every candidiate or potential candidate that will run for the Democratic nomination
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 02:33 PM
Feb 2019

except Bloomberg.


LakeArenal

(28,802 posts)
61. Not really. Joe stays high in the polls.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 02:42 PM
Feb 2019

Beto. Klobuchar. Castro. I’d take Schiff in a nano. It’s over a year away. Who knows who might throw their hat in.

It’s called narrowing the field until you choose.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
66. Good point, however, in my view Beto isn't going to run, and neither is Schiff. Biden was quiet on
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 02:53 PM
Feb 2019

the whole situation, and understandably so not only with the Anita Hill involvement, but his touchy feely style

Regardless, as far as I am aware Castro wasn't asked, nor did he solicit any view on the matter, same with Joe Biden.

LakeArenal

(28,802 posts)
70. You rationalize your choices. I'll mine.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 03:00 PM
Feb 2019

It’s still a year away. If I made a choice today it would be Joe. But, as I said there’s still time.

There’s also a chance one of those senators might say: I had bad judgement and shouldn’t have jumped before due process for Al. Chances are slim, but who knows. Just as I believe Joe has evolved from the Anita Hill debacle.

That’s why we take our time.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
82. I am not rationalizing my choices, and I haven't made my mind up yet, though believe it or not I
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 03:19 PM
Feb 2019

actually think Joe Biden is not only the most qualified candidate in the group, I believe he also has the best chance to win, since I believe he can attract the most diverse voters compared to the other candidates, except for maybe Sherrod Brown.

I just wish Joe would declare he is running already.

My comment relating to Biden wasn't a slam against Biden, but it is going to get thrown at him if he runs. I am sure he realizes it also.


In fact, most of the probable leading candidates are going to get some uncomfortable things thrown at them, and I am sure they are aware of it.

The bottom line is as you alluded to, no one candidate is going to please everyone



LakeArenal

(28,802 posts)
89. I believe you.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 03:45 PM
Feb 2019

Not with regard to you, but that’s what I say about “dividing” the party.

Still_One can discuss issues with LakeArenal and it no way divides us.

It’s the primaries. That’s what we do.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
50. So you're giving Stone a two for
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 02:35 PM
Feb 2019

He takes out Franken and damages the most competitive candidates against Trump in the process.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
68. This is pure flamebait. The OP is saying this is the ONE ISSUE that determines who he will vote
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 02:58 PM
Feb 2019

for President

Wow is all I can say.

To hell with Civil Rights, Women's Rights, Worker's Rights, the environment, taking away people's healthcare, etc. etc. etc.







the_sly_pig

(740 posts)
55. I just listened to a Gillibrand interview on MPR...
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 02:38 PM
Feb 2019

When asked about Franken and the backlash she complained that she saw in the military a declination to even investigate accusations of sexual harassment or rape. She essentially equated Franken with gropers and rapists. She didn’t answer the question about Franken, she spent her time complaining about “the backlash”.

Ironic.

I will only vote for her if she is the democratic nominee. I prefer Senator Warren or Senator Harris.

kelly1mm

(4,732 posts)
94. Sen. Gillibrand also has her work for tobacco
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 04:23 PM
Feb 2019

Companies that shows she lacks the judgement to be President.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
58. Look, I think that Franken should have been given the chance
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 02:41 PM
Feb 2019

to defend himself.

With that said, there is only one way that a Democratic presidential nominee loses the 2020 election. The only fucking way that we lose in 2020 is if we fight among ourselves.

Haven't we learned a thing from 2016? This election cycle started with Bernie and Hillary trolls and bots, soon there will be trolls and bots for all of our candidates, SMH.

We don't have a candidate who is perfect, the sooner we accept that the better chance we have to deal with all of the trolls and bots on social media.

United we stand, divided we fall.

JustAnotherGen

(31,780 posts)
60. To each their own
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 02:42 PM
Feb 2019

But if you are in a swing state and one of those ends up being our candidate -

You gotta vote for them.

If you don't - you doom all of us to another four years of Trump.


Count me in the Trump Walks column . . . We only get rid of him by voting his ass out.

grandpamike1

(193 posts)
63. I know this is not
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 02:46 PM
Feb 2019

Original, but, Me Too. She led the cheers, to silence one of the strongest Dem voices in Congress, and there is not a chance in hell that I, or my family would vote for her, even if she beocomes the candidate, which, of course, she won't.

Progressive2020

(713 posts)
67. Democratic Candidate
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 02:54 PM
Feb 2019

I will vote for whomever the Democratic Candidate is. That said, I am not a fan of Gillibrand because of the fact that she basically led the ouster of Franken.

There are people on the list of Congress people who called for Franken to resign that I still like anyway, particularly Booker. I like Harris.

I like Warren, but she seems a little too nice for rough politics, even though her positions and philosophy are great. She comes off as a sort of kindly librarian, whereas we need a street fighter to take the battle to man-child Trump.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
87. So Booker, Harris and Warren
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 03:42 PM
Feb 2019

were just blind followers of Gillibrand? Doesn’t say much about them does it?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
102. Don't underestimate the kindly librarian's
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 04:58 PM
Feb 2019

capacity for street fighting when she cares about something!

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
69. It's a factor in my decision, but not the only one
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 02:58 PM
Feb 2019

I'm a huge Sherrod Brown fan, so his stance on Al was disheartening and diminishes him in my eyes.

I'll put all of the anti-Franken candidates in a category and choose my favorite candidate of the bunch.

Then I'll put all the others in another category and choose my favorite out of this grouping.

I'll then make my final decision between the two choices. Perhaps my anger will have subsided by then. Or perhaps not.

murielm99

(30,715 posts)
81. I am not going to get involved in
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 03:19 PM
Feb 2019

any purity tests. We lose too many elections that way.

You want to flame me? Go ahead.

green917

(442 posts)
83. they won't have my support
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 03:22 PM
Feb 2019

they (sen. Gillibrand in particular) disenfranchised millions of voters from Minnesota (including yours truly) in a shameful political ploy to stay above the fray, as it were, in light of he Roy Moore scandal and that kind of political gamesmanship is unseemly and, in my opinion, a disqualifier.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,164 posts)
103. We have to forgive the co-signers, but I'd like know who besides Gillibrand was the pot stirrer?
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 05:03 PM
Feb 2019

I suspect it was a top down edict, and Gillibrand was just the first and most enthusiastic about signing on and taking down a rival.

I "frankly" think it was unnecessary if their goal was to shore up the non-votes for Roy Moore. I think he was going down regardless. It wasn't as if a whole lot of Republicans could be swayed by that kind of knee jerk response by Democrats against one of their own. Republicans don't admire moves like that, they laugh at the weakness of it, even as they get rid of one of the prickliest thorns in the Senate.

I am disappointed that no one came to Al's aid, and it was a gang mentality where no one (of those who had higher aspirations) wanted to be left out in the stoning. The heights of the metoo. I think the order came from above to make a clean break with Franken - regardless if the charges had any merit - in order to play the "when they go low, we find something we can find even remotely similar with one of our own, hey we even accept work done for us in this regard by Roger Stone and Don Jr., and then send him to the moon!" tactic. That'll show em! And once the dog pile started it was difficult to be left out.

I wonder how much Democrats in Washington actually read this forum? Do they realize the level of disgust of the Franken debacle crosses all lines in the big tent? Its the only topic where I find DUers whom I have bitter battles with on other topics, agreeing how Franken was railroaded and also how much he is needed and we miss him.

sandensea

(21,596 posts)
104. Same here.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 05:05 PM
Feb 2019

I for one hope Sillybrand is primaried out of her seat.

Plus she was a real right-winger in her younger days, so I understand.

Scruffy1

(3,252 posts)
107. I've been around politics a long time.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 05:39 PM
Feb 2019

I was and am pissed off about the Franken debacle, but life goes on. The whole thing had Roger Stone written all over it. Al was in the wrong place at the wrong time and the claims were giving the fascists bastard something to grab on to. He was a victim of what aboutism. One bad decision dosn't necesarily make a politician all bad. The primaries will decide and I will vote for the Democrat even if not my favorite.

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
110. Yellow dog dem here will vote for the candidate.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 08:45 PM
Feb 2019

But my heart's still with Al. He was obviously railroaded.



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