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Sat Feb 2, 2019, 08:14 AM

 

Let's take a look at some noted people who made mistakes in life and were forgiven and continued on:

Robert Byrd: KKK member. Changed bigtime and became a very LONGSTANDING U.S. Senator who served honorably.
Bill Clinton: Multi-Infidelity; Admitted Misleading Statements About Infidelity (Apologized, continue to successful post-presidency.)
Jesse Jackson: Infidelity (Made personal amends. Continued as important civil rights, political, and religious leader.)
Marion Barry: Lying, Criminal Drug Use and Possession (Did re-hab, served his time, re-entered public life at the local level.)
George Wallace: Defender of Segregation (Later reversed those views, moderated, and was widely forgiven, and continued to serve as governor well into the 1980's.)
Mel Gibson: Anti-Semetic and Racist Rants When Drunk (Apologized many times, took hiatus, got alcohol abuse treatment, and is now back as a successful actor and director.)
Joy Reid: Homophobic Statements (Apologized and continues to work successfully.)
Tulsi Gabbard: Homophobic Statements (Apologized and continues to serve successfully.)
Kevin Hart: Homophobic Statements (Apologized and continues very successfully.)

And the list goes on and on.

Also, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson owned many slaves, and Abraham Lincoln for a long while was not for ending slavery but just containing it. (Washington said in his will his slaves would be free only upon the death of his wife. She released them while she was still living. He pre-deceased her.) (Lincoln even said at one point, "If I could save the union without freeing any slaves I would do it." He placed saving the union above slavery. He later was for getting rid of slavery entirely on principle.)

We all make mistakes and misjudgements. Hopefully we live, we learn, we change, we grow, and we earn forgiveness and chances to continue on. Mistakes long ago should not define use forever. EVERYONE makes mistakes. EVERYONE.

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Reply Let's take a look at some noted people who made mistakes in life and were forgiven and continued on: (Original post)
LBM20 Feb 2019 OP
Squinch Feb 2019 #1
LBM20 Feb 2019 #6
Squinch Feb 2019 #7
LBM20 Feb 2019 #21
wasupaloopa Feb 2019 #28
Squinch Feb 2019 #32
FreepFryer Feb 2019 #34
druidity33 Feb 2019 #10
Squinch Feb 2019 #11
druidity33 Feb 2019 #15
Squinch Feb 2019 #16
FreepFryer Feb 2019 #35
dameatball Feb 2019 #36
Golden Raisin Feb 2019 #37
cwydro Feb 2019 #2
LBM20 Feb 2019 #8
marybourg Feb 2019 #31
druidity33 Feb 2019 #17
volstork Feb 2019 #30
KY_EnviroGuy Feb 2019 #3
Croney Feb 2019 #4
LBM20 Feb 2019 #5
LBM20 Feb 2019 #9
MadDAsHell Feb 2019 #12
Vinca Feb 2019 #13
LexVegas Feb 2019 #14
LBM20 Feb 2019 #22
volstork Feb 2019 #18
LBM20 Feb 2019 #23
manor321 Feb 2019 #19
LBM20 Feb 2019 #25
milestogo Feb 2019 #20
LBM20 Feb 2019 #24
Squinch Feb 2019 #33
FreepFryer Feb 2019 #26
DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #27
Snotcicles Feb 2019 #29
Bayard Feb 2019 #38

Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 08:36 AM

1. KKK hood and robes, and black face. On a Democratic spokesperson.

Nope. Nuh-uh.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 08:55 AM

6. 35 years ago. He was not in politics then. My goodness. Who hasn't made a mistake decades ago?

 

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Response to LBM20 (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 08:56 AM

7. Did you wear a KKK hood and robes 35 years ago? Would you have considered doing it?

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Response to Squinch (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 09:43 AM

21. You said it. It was 35 LONG years ago. What are we going to do? Condemn the man forever no matter

 

how non-racist and good a life he has lived ever since? And while I did not do that, as a kid, teen, and young adult living in much different times I, like so many people in those days, said some dumb and wrong things on some occasions around race, gender, ethnicity, orientation, etc. often in the context of "humor" at the time, in social situations, etc. Like so many, I grew and learned and haven't done that for many,many years, don't do it now, and certainly am not any bigot of any kind.

Very few people, especially those from past generations, didn't say or do something wrong along those lines.

We learn, we grow, we change, we can not condemn people forever.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 10:03 AM

28. Please stop. Get some help. Get some reality. Wake up. Understand life and the world around you.

 

Get a sense of proportion. Get a sense of timing. Get a sense of history and the development of cultural mores.

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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #28)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 10:25 AM

32. I have a very good sense of history. In 1984, wearing a KKK hood and robes was not acceptable.

In no arena was it appropriate.

And the defense here of a grown man wearing it is very, very surprising. It is exhibiting itself in very disturbing ways.

For example, there is your contention that I need to "get some help" because I have stated that a grown man wearing a KKK hood and robe was unacceptable in 1984 and is unacceptable now.

It is very disturbing that you think that is something for which someone needs to "get some help."

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Response to Squinch (Reply #32)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 11:29 AM

34. +1. (n/t)

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Response to Squinch (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 09:01 AM

10. More common than you'd think...

for costume parties in the early 80's. Growing up in Suffolk Co, LI... i'm sorry to say it was too frequently seen on Halloween. I'm appalled, but i can also see how it was when he was young and during a different time. It's not like he was actually IN THE KKK. I don't like to be intolerant and unforgiving, so i'm gonna let him slide this time...



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Response to druidity33 (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 09:03 AM

11. Growing up about 20 miles away from you I NEVER saw anything of the sort.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 09:10 AM

15. maybe..

you lived in a "nicer" neighborhood? First time i saw a kkk costume i remember asking my dad what the hood meant... i can't quite recall what he said but i remember him being angry about it. I seem to recall it was more popular in the late 70's early 80's.
One guy from down the block used that costume multiple times. He ended up joining the Marines.


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Response to druidity33 (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 09:11 AM

16. Maybe I lived in a more mixed neighborhood, and any LI boy sporting a hood and robes would have

had his ass handed to him.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 11:29 AM

35. THIS. (n/t)

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Response to druidity33 (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 11:36 AM

36. Where I grew up we had real KKK a-holes standing at intersections passing out pamphlets. I learned

early that they were not good people and never had any urge to play dress up. Everyone has had different experiences in life, but I think that it is easier to take this stuff more seriously when you have seen it in real life. Small town Florida was a paradise in some ways back then, but the dark underbelly was always there as well.

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Response to druidity33 (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 12:02 PM

37. I grew up on the Great South Bay

in the 1950s/1960s and never saw anything like that. There was still the straggling remnants of a colony of Nazi sympathizers in Yaphank but that was about it.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 08:41 AM

2. Yeah. No.

No way would so many posters be making so many excuses if this was a republican governor.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 08:56 AM

8. If it was that long ago and the person has led a good life since then yes, ALL can be forgiven.

 

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Response to LBM20 (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 10:18 AM

31. But this particular person is the elected head of a state.

He needs to be, if not beyond reproach, then at least worthy of respect.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 09:23 AM

17. Republicans and Democrats are not the same...

if an R had done this 40 years ago, the things he had done since then were probably just as egregious only less obvious. Look at Northams record since that picture was taken... has he supported racist legislation? Has he made statements of any kind that refute this picture of him as a young man? Are there any other indications he is unfit for office? His record should stand for itself. I abhor zero tolerance policies. This "controversy" is a distraction, and that was the intention...


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Response to cwydro (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 10:13 AM

30. Exactly.

Double standards never play well...

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 08:41 AM

3. I would also contend that....

anyone that has not lived a socially and culturally active, exposed life while making many mistakes and misjudgments and learned from that life and made corrections in their nature and personality is not worthy of public service.

I further contend (although I often falter) that it's not my job to openly judge others unless I've been duly appointed to do so.....

I also have to try to ask myself if I'm ready to accept responsibility for the potential effects of my open judgments. For example, young people are committing suicide every day due to bullying on social media and people charged with crimes - but not convicted - have their lives ruined due to public condemnation prior to trial.

We collectively can do better.......

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 08:45 AM

4. I doubt if Mel Gibson has changed into a non-disgusting person.

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Response to Croney (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 08:54 AM

5. Just condemn someone forever? Don't let anyone make amends? That is morally wrong.

 

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Response to Croney (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 08:57 AM

9. Do you think Joy Reid and Kevin Hart and Tulsi Gabbard are still "disgusting" too?

 

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 09:04 AM

12. I disagree; we need people searching old tweets and yearbooks 24/7.

 

And people need to be crucified for what's found.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 09:06 AM

13. The most amazing thing to me about the current brouhaha is that we have a POTUS who routinely

exhibits racism, bigotry, misogyny, hatred and downright perversion and no one has ever called for him to resign. I don't really care what the governor does, but at least he seems to have changed his ways and has issued a sincere apology. Whatever happens, we shouldn't lose our focus. The governor - whether racist or not - will not cause the end of our democracy. Trump might well do that if allowed to continue in the office.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 09:08 AM

14. You're really gonna melt down when he resigns today

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 09:48 AM

22. Oh no I won't. I will know that it is a sad and morally wrong day when a person is crucified for

 

something like this LONG in the past with no regard for how long ago it was and how well the person has lived his life ever since.

We are eating our own and the right wingers are laughing their asses off at us. Nothing to be proud of.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 09:28 AM

18. What if the shoe were on the other foot?

If he were a republican, we would all be foaming at the mouth and demanding his ouster.

Yes, it was stupid and racist. Yes, it was 35 years ago. Yes, everyone makes mistakes, but THIS mistake is and always should be unconscionable.
People here are using the same excuses the repubs used for kavanaugh: "It was years ago." "He was just a kid." (Yes, I understand the difference between what Northam did and what kavanaugh was accused of.)

As Democrats, we cannot play both sides of the fence and let a fellow Democrat slide for something that would prompt us to pillory a republican.

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Response to volstork (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 09:50 AM

23. No. If it was that long ago and the person has lived a good and honorable life ever since ANYONE

 

should have a chance for foregiveness. Yes, it was very wrong, but my god, this eating of our own over mistakes from nearly four decades ago is getting crazy.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 09:31 AM

19. Sure. He can continue to grow while out of office

 

Public service is a *privilege*. He can go elsewhere.

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Response to manor321 (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 09:52 AM

25. It was 35 long years ago. What are you going to do, condemn people for one mistake decades ago?

 

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 09:33 AM

20. Breaking News: Racists forgive other racists.

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Response to milestogo (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 09:51 AM

24. Breaking News: It is shameful to label someone a racist over a disagreement on a situation.

 

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Response to milestogo (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 10:27 AM

33. THIS! They also never recognize it in themselves, even when it is clear and someone is pointing it

out to them.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 10:03 AM

26. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhA!!!! Bwa-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *choke* HAHAHAHA *gasp* HAHAHA

worth it for the laugh

But no

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 10:08 AM

29. I think there should be a statute of limitation after a period expiation.

 

It's easy to be critical of others assuming your own history will remain unrevealed.

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Response to LBM20 (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2019, 12:34 PM

38. One word....

Kavenaugh

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