I have a question about this "Believe ALL Women" thing

[EffieBlack]

Does it mean believe ALL women WHENEVER they accuse ANYONE of ANY crime? Or when they accuse any MAN of any crime?

Would it apply it apply to a Starbucks manager who tells police that two black men were trespassing because they didn't buy coffee as soon as they walked in the door?

Or does it just mean that we must always believe every woman who ever alleges that any male sexually assaulted them? So would that mean that the woman in New York who accused the little black kid of grabbing her ass in a store had no right to be challenged and the little boy should have been labeled a sexual predator at least until a passerby's video showed he hadn't even touched her?

How exactly does this "Believe ALL Women" thing work?

[Dream Girl]

1. I think it only applies to sexual assault. Believe all women no matter what.

I bet the GOP is kicking themselves thinking about what they could have done to Obama. They could have forced him to step down cuz women never lie.

[Fresh_Start]

2. The really funny thing is..

if everyone hadn't piled on Northam, we might never have heard about Fairfax or Herring.

[OilemFirchen]

3. That's a gutsy question.

I'll defer to Mr. Importance, who claimed that #metoo means believe all women, always, and who, BTW, knows the subject in question quite well, thank you, and knows that she's telling the truth so shut up already.



On edit: Unless they're lesbians.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

4. For me, it's a thumb on the scale.

It's the benefit of the doubt, until there's more to the story. It's not a hard line or something I can point to. It's a reminder to think about the stories I was told about difficult women, bitches, the shrill and unfunny and hysterical, and what I've learned about them as I've grown older -- the traumas they carried, the way men lied about them, the public dragging they endured because the patriarchy could not abide them for whatever reason -- and to consider things a little differently.

[leftstreet]

5. Who came up with that stupid fucking term anyway?

Can't remember where/when it first started but it's the dumbest term ever. Strategically invented to create enough controversy to achieve the original goal....putting women on the defensive and making them seem unbelievable.

Why wasn't it Believe All Victims of Sexual Assault?

[LexVegas]

6. It always shows up when someone a person likes is accused of unimaginable acts. nt

[Charlotte Little]

7. Believe all Women

Is an extreme reaction to the decades of women being accused of the following:

- You went to the hotel room willingly, didn't you know he wanted sex?
- You dressed like that, so weren't you asking for it?
- You were drunk, okay? Need I say more?
- You kissed him, you rubbed up against him, you took your top off, you ___________ (fill in the blank), so how was he supposed to control himself?
- You were acting slutty. You shouldn't have been there, looked like you do, danced, flirted, or....you shouldn't have been there. You were asking for it.
- You're a slut. You asked for it.

Women having been dealing with this shit for so long. It's often implied it's the woman's fault because "boys will be boys," "men can't help themselves," "It's a man's nature," "Women are wanton and wicked and tease/tempt men."

We're sick of it and are refusing to play by men's (and sadly, many women's) rules anymore.

Do we all think that every woman should be believed instantly and a career destroyed instantly? Of course not.

Take me for example. I think Franken should not have resigned and was furious with how he was treated. I don't think any of the accusations against him warranted his career being destroyed. I also happen to believe Ellison.

As for Kavanaugh, it wasn't just Dr. Ford's testimony that had me convinced. It was his very own actions and refusal to be investigated (and all of the men swarming around him to protect him). He should not be SCOTUS.

But there are gray areas and we should proceed case by case.

Believe women...and investigate. Those saying it's too late to investigate Fairfax and Tyson are full of it. You can always investigate. Always. So, do that.

But yes, believe women. Because statistics show that more women are telling the truth about their assaults/rapes than the ones making it up, which is a very small percentage.

Also, don't make excuses for men who rape. Hold them accountable and stop trying to "both sides" it. That has got to stop.

[LenaBaby61]

8. How exactly does this "Believe ALL Women" thing work?

I've no earthly clue to be honest.

On one hand, we know about the high-profile case involving Bill Cosby through credible evidence that he drugged & raped numerous victims through the years with reckless abandon. Thankfully in the end, 81 year old Bill Cosby couldn't escape his monstrous sins and is finally IN jail where he belongs, and I HOPE that Harvey Weinstein will end up there TOO (At least I pray he will). We also know unfortunately that there will forever be nameless and faceless victims of rape/incest/sexual abuse who didn't seek justice because they were either too embarrassed, too scared or saw how others were treated who tried to seek justice which is a damn shame.

But there are also MANY cases like the one below (Where the woman accuser got off very lightly) 👇🏻

White Woman Who Falsely Accused 2 Black Football Players of Rape Rolls Her Eyes Throughout Sentencing Hearing.

Jamai Harris

Nineteen-year-old Nikki Yovino, claimed she was raped by two Sacred Heart University football players and admitted months later to police that she lied to impress a prospective boyfriend. During he sentencing she stood handcuffed, rolling her eyes as one of her victims poured out his heart in court.

In February 2017, Yovino told police that she had been raped by two black Sacred Heart University football players at an off-campus party in Oct. 2016. She claimed the two men pulled her into a bathroom in the basement of the house and told officers that the two held her down and each took a turn sexually assaulting her, reported The Hour. Both men admitted having sex with Yovino in the bathroom, but said it was consensual, The Hour Reported.

Months later Yovino admitted that she lied.

Because of her lie, the two young men who were accused lost their scholarships and had to leave school. They lost their opportunities for education, athletic, and future life success all because Yovino was desperate for attention.

https://blackamericaweb.com/2018/08/27/white-woman-who-falsely-accused-2-black-football-players-of-rape-rolls-her-eyes-throughout-sentencing-hearing/


Having been one who has personally been the victim of attempted molestations by not one but 2 Archdiocese priests when I was in HS in the 1970's, it still makes me sick when I think back to those two violations of my teen-aged person by them, but I got on with my life which WAS and still IS difficult when I think about those incidents. Yet I know that there are instances where accusations of rape/molestation/sexual abuse aren't always true, and for a myriad of reasons.

IE:The Scottsboro Boys.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottsboro_Boys

I understand the concept of zero tolerance where sexual abuse etc. is concerned. NO ONE should have to suffer through a disgusting and unwanted action taken against their person. I know how I felt when I felt when it happened to me twice, and by WHOM. However, there are times when not every person is telling the truth about being sexually abused/raped/assaulted. We know Nikki Yovino was proven to have lied on those two Sacred Heart University football players.

[Charlotte Little]

9. I really appreciate you taking the time to post what you did.

And I mean that genuinely.

But I disagree with you that there are MANY cases of false accusations. Statistics don't support your assertion, even if there are some high-profile cases of it happening. Like in the case of Jamai Harris, her case is high profile exactly because it is rare. Just think of all the rapes you've heard nothing about. Not rare and, sadly, that means not newsworthy.

https://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/2012-03/Publications_NSVRC_Overview_False-Reporting.pdf

"Conclusion
Research shows that rates of false reporting
are frequently inflated, in part because of
inconsistent definitions and protocols, or a weak
understanding of sexual assault. Misconceptions
about false reporting rates have direct, negative
consequences and can contribute to why many
victims don’t report sexual assaults (Lisak et
al., 2010). To improve the response to victims
of sexual violence, law enforcement and service
providers need a thorough understanding
of sexual violence and consistency in their
definitions, policies and procedures."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/03/health/sexual-assault-false-reports/index.html

https://psmag.com/news/false-reports-of-sexual-assault-are-rare-but-why-is-there-so-little-reliable-data-about-them

[LenaBaby61]

10. I really appreciate you taking the time to post what you did.

I believe you do.

And my bad for saying MANY in a haphazard way.

What I was thinking about and should have posted had to do with cases involving the Innocence Project and how African-American males have and still are wrongfully convicted throughout this nation's hitory.

https://www.innocenceproject.org/african-american-wrongful-convictions-throughout-history/

While I know that there are MORE rapes that aren't reported unfortunately, we also know that there's a hideous history of how badly black males have faired when it came to having rape allegations bought against them by white women earlier in our nation's history (Emit Till case). Unfortunately, black males are still not faring well to this day (Innocence Project/Black men — not white guys — face false allegations and a presumption of guilt). Also, many of the black males who were accused of rape didn't even recieve a trial (Although they probably would have been found guilty thanks to all-white, racist juries), many were lynched before they even recieved a railroaded trial.

We have male black victims accussed of rape wrongfully, and we have women of all colors who are still victims of rape etc. who unfortunately will never recieve ANY justice.