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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 07:05 AM Feb 2019

How to explain to a right-winger that Trump is amoral.

"Picture this: A husband is cheating on his wife. What would Donald Trump say to convince him to stop?"



"Picture this: A mob of Klansmen wants to lynch a black guy. On their way to a tree where they want to hang him, they run into Donald Trump. What would Donald Trump say to convince them that this is wrong?"



"Picture this: An employer has used financial trickery to cheat his employees out of what they are legally owed. Donald Trump hears of that and has a private talk with the employer. What would Donald Trump say to convince him that giving the employees their money is the right thing to do?"



"Picture this: An immigrant girl comes to Donald Trump's doorstep. She's from South-America, from a place run by raping and murdering gangs. She's in the country illegally because it's the only way to avoid being raped and murdered because nobody would believe her that she's in danger of being raped and murdered. If the ICE finds her, she will be sent back to the rapists and murderers. What would Donald Trump do?"
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How to explain to a right-winger that Trump is amoral. (Original Post) DetlefK Feb 2019 OP
There's a huge flaw in your theory ibegurpard Feb 2019 #1
So true! nt allgood33 Feb 2019 #4
They wouldn't, of course. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2019 #18
in every case trump's deplorables think trumo is perfect. rampartc Feb 2019 #2
Explain to right wingers? Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #3
Don't waste your time Mr. Quackers Feb 2019 #5
First, you have to explain to them what amoral means. Then, you have to Guy Whitey Corngood Feb 2019 #6
That was the first thing I thought, too. LuvNewcastle Feb 2019 #9
He said, on camera: "I don't stand by anything." TCJ70 Feb 2019 #7
Immoral. Goodheart Feb 2019 #8
The "pro-life" crap Freddie Feb 2019 #10
They would just look at you funny and ask, "Why would tRump want to do any of those things?" PeeJ52 Feb 2019 #11
i engage these people 5 days a week. it takes time. Kurt V. Feb 2019 #12
In case no one else has told you this week.... KY_EnviroGuy Feb 2019 #14
thank you for the kind words. Kurt V. Feb 2019 #15
In all those cases - based on his history - Trump would... KY_EnviroGuy Feb 2019 #13
First you have to find a moral Trumpist, then one that is not a rank hypocrite... Thomas Hurt Feb 2019 #16
It's like you think they care whether he is or not. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #17

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
1. There's a huge flaw in your theory
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 07:11 AM
Feb 2019

And that is that a Trump supporter would actually have a problem with any of those situations.

rampartc

(5,412 posts)
2. in every case trump's deplorables think trumo is perfect.
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 07:12 AM
Feb 2019

never has a cult so deserved their leader as the deplorables.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,501 posts)
6. First, you have to explain to them what amoral means. Then, you have to
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 07:50 AM
Feb 2019

explain it again. Maybe a few more times with graphics, visual aids, what have you. Then......

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
9. That was the first thing I thought, too.
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 08:22 AM
Feb 2019

You would probably never get them to understand the distinction between amoral and immoral.

Freddie

(9,267 posts)
10. The "pro-life" crap
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 08:25 AM
Feb 2019

Outweighs ANY and ALL moral failings. To most of them. Bringing up those issues is spitting in the wind.
I only know one fervent “pro-lifer” who hates Trump, she can’t get past the kids in cages and the hatred for immigrants. But only one.

 

PeeJ52

(1,588 posts)
11. They would just look at you funny and ask, "Why would tRump want to do any of those things?"
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 08:37 AM
Feb 2019

He'd a laugh or just walk on by...

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
12. i engage these people 5 days a week. it takes time.
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 08:42 AM
Feb 2019

Currently working on a tenured prof at the university here in my town. after 3 months I'm seeing a crack in his armor.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
14. In case no one else has told you this week....
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 09:00 AM
Feb 2019

you're a damn fine fellow Kurt V, and keep up the brave work......

Perhaps you can keep us informed on your progress and give us some hints from time to time......

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
15. thank you for the kind words.
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 10:00 AM
Feb 2019

i use the method that DetlefK described. paint a picture. i just stretch it out over many conversations.
I'll make a post of some other tools i use.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
13. In all those cases - based on his history - Trump would...
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 08:53 AM
Feb 2019

like a good flim-flam man, spin the facts around until there was a way for him to profit from it.

For example, in the case of the lynching, tRump would convince the Klansmen that if at the last minute they spared the black guy's life, they could keep him enslaved for free labor for the rest of his live.

However, the only way to convince anyone that has not followed a bit of tRump's history that he's amoral is to cite several examples of his history.....and it would be good to have pictures!

Many won't believe you no matter what you tell them because their preachers have told them he's their savior....

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
16. First you have to find a moral Trumpist, then one that is not a rank hypocrite...
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 10:02 AM
Feb 2019

then one who is not a gullible magical thinker.

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