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brooklynite

(94,599 posts)
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:43 PM Feb 2019

Sen. Amy Klobuchar's Mistreatment Of Staff Scared Off Candidates To Manage Her Presidential Bid

Huffington Post

At least three people have withdrawn from consideration to lead Sen. Amy Klobuchar’s nascent 2020 presidential campaign — and done so in part because of the Minnesota Democrat’s history of mistreating her staff, HuffPost has learned.

Klobuchar, who plans to make an announcement about a potential presidential bid on Sunday in Minneapolis, has spent the past several months positioning herself to run for president. She’s beloved in her state as a smart, funny and personable lawmaker and has gained national attention for her lines of questioning at high-profile hearings.

But some former Klobuchar staffers, all of whom spoke to HuffPost on condition of anonymity, describe Klobuchar as habitually demeaning and prone to bursts of cruelty that make it difficult to work in her office for long.

It is common for staff to wake up to multiple emails from Klobuchar characterizing one’s work as “the worst” briefing or press release she’d seen in her decades of public service, according to two former aides and emails seen by HuffPost.
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Sen. Amy Klobuchar's Mistreatment Of Staff Scared Off Candidates To Manage Her Presidential Bid (Original Post) brooklynite Feb 2019 OP
If they are clutching their pearls riverwalker Feb 2019 #1
oh maaan i hate hearing that about her... samnsara Feb 2019 #2
Same here. She is one of my faves as a VP pick for Biden (if he gets in) elfin Feb 2019 #11
Lies, unproven. See 14, below question everything Feb 2019 #15
Interesting. It is said that one can discern the character of PatrickforO Feb 2019 #3
Great suggestion exboyfil Feb 2019 #8
Amazing people will take this story at face value BannonsLiver Feb 2019 #19
Yeah, this sounds like ratfucking to me. brush Feb 2019 #33
Well, Booker's opponents (and right wing people pretending to be PatrickforO Feb 2019 #38
Yeah, they haven't turned their full fire on him yet. brush Feb 2019 #41
I have not taken this story at face value. PatrickforO Feb 2019 #40
Anonymous sources? Were their names like "Doger Stone" and "Derome Corsi"? manor321 Feb 2019 #4
Before you discount the source... brooklynite Feb 2019 #16
I understand but male candidates are never discussed this way manor321 Feb 2019 #25
I've certainly heard Rachel Sgent Feb 2019 #49
most likely not crazycatlady Feb 2019 #36
I am stunned. irresistable Feb 2019 #5
Was posted in MN thread....... a kennedy Feb 2019 #6
So the smears and whispers are starting with Amy now The empressof all Feb 2019 #7
HuffPo has been reliably anti Dem for a while now BannonsLiver Feb 2019 #21
Lots of details in there BeyondGeography Feb 2019 #9
Here we go PatSeg Feb 2019 #10
+1 Power 2 the People Feb 2019 #52
If any campaign picks up any of these "unhappy few". Red flag. oasis Feb 2019 #12
I knew this was coming. Kingofalldems Feb 2019 #13
Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #34
PLEASE do not repeat this piece of fake journalism question everything Feb 2019 #14
Good catch. Kingofalldems Feb 2019 #17
Not what the article says... brooklynite Feb 2019 #22
Glad to see that they added the qualification. I complained question everything Feb 2019 #28
It doesn't matter when she joined the Senate. It's talking about rate of turnover. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #37
So three people didn't bail on the top campaign job? BeyondGeography Feb 2019 #27
I don't know but I am sure they have their own reasons question everything Feb 2019 #30
It doesn't say her tenure started in 2001 Autumn Feb 2019 #35
Acknowledged. PatrickforO Feb 2019 #44
Amy Klobuchar acknowledges that the story is true... brooklynite Feb 2019 #57
"My boss didn't like my work" Renew Deal Feb 2019 #18
The Trolls are Busy dlk Feb 2019 #20
Meh ibegurpard Feb 2019 #23
I've read, here and there, that Bernie Sanders rusty fender Feb 2019 #24
Look at all the repsonses already in this thread immediately falling for this tactic of DontBooVote Feb 2019 #26
You are too smart to be this gullible eom emulatorloo Feb 2019 #29
Who is that person supporting for 2020 ? OnDoutside Feb 2019 #43
Apparently, Sen Klobuchar is unacceptable because she is from Minnesota. LakeSuperiorView Feb 2019 #31
This isn't just GOP ratf*cking, though they'd use it if they could, just as the MN GOP did in 2006. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2019 #32
as someone who's worked for both male and female candidates crazycatlady Feb 2019 #46
Compared to Trump: Kingofalldems Feb 2019 #39
This unsourced bullshit was posted here 2 days ago jcgoldie Feb 2019 #42
I don't know... this has kind of an "Arkansas Project" scent to it. Just a feeling. Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2019 #45
Agreed n/t emulatorloo Feb 2019 #47
UPDATE: Buzzfeed has it's own reporting brooklynite Feb 2019 #48
That article's even worse! My god. octoberlib Feb 2019 #50
High staff turnover is always a tell octoberlib Feb 2019 #51
Wow. Not good. smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #53
Yep. If true doesn't sound like someone I would want to vote for. LisaL Feb 2019 #54
I was shocked. A lot of people are crying sexism, that women get judged differently but octoberlib Feb 2019 #55
Not great to read about Awsi Dooger Feb 2019 #56

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
1. If they are clutching their pearls
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:45 PM
Feb 2019

over a cranky email from their boss, maybe politics is not for them. 🙄

elfin

(6,262 posts)
11. Same here. She is one of my faves as a VP pick for Biden (if he gets in)
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:58 PM
Feb 2019

I think she would be even a better choice for the Supreme Court.

Really smart and seemingly temperamentally balanced.

I suspect she values and expects exactitude from those around her. Not a minus unless you are embarked on a messy, wide-ranging campaign journey.

PatrickforO

(14,578 posts)
3. Interesting. It is said that one can discern the character of
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:45 PM
Feb 2019

another person by observing how they treat subordinates.

I like Klobuchar, but perhaps she should read the one minute manager or something, eh?

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
8. Great suggestion
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:55 PM
Feb 2019

I also think she should bring in a management coach.

This is something that can be corrected (assuming that it is a problem at all).

It is good that it is coming up now. She has ample opportunity for course correction before the spotlight is on her. It is more important how she treats her staff going forward.

BannonsLiver

(16,396 posts)
19. Amazing people will take this story at face value
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:02 PM
Feb 2019

Like, okay, I’ve seen enough, she’s a terrible person. A little too simple from my perspective but hey, not everyone has the same standards.

brush

(53,791 posts)
33. Yeah, this sounds like ratfucking to me.
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:30 PM
Feb 2019

Anyone else who announces better be prepared for same—and Klobuchar hasn't even announced yet.

Let's see, Warren has gotten it with the Native American thing.

Harris with once being a prosecutor.

Gillibrand...well, the self-afflicted Franken baggage.

Booker, still to come.

PatrickforO

(14,578 posts)
38. Well, Booker's opponents (and right wing people pretending to be
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:42 PM
Feb 2019

surrogates for his opponents) will try and tar him with the Wall Street brush.

PatrickforO

(14,578 posts)
40. I have not taken this story at face value.
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:47 PM
Feb 2019

It is one datum in a much larger universe. I look into each candidate in depth before deciding who to support. The strengths I look for, in this order, are:

1. Policy and stance on issues (and I look into their history to see if what they have DONE matches what they are saying now).
2. Political courage - to they have the guts to support something that isn't particularly popular but is right?
3. Fundraising ability, and contribution ratios of small individuals, large individuals and groups.
4. Skeletons and other factors.

To your point, though, I do see lots of that - not necessarily here, but certainly on other sites like The Hill.

brooklynite

(94,599 posts)
16. Before you discount the source...
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:01 PM
Feb 2019

WaPo has a story pointing out she has one of the highest staff turnovers in the Senate.

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
25. I understand but male candidates are never discussed this way
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:07 PM
Feb 2019

Even with Trump, Rachel makes fun of it but the press almost completely ignores the massive White House turnover.

Male leaders are not judged on these kinds of criteria.

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
36. most likely not
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:38 PM
Feb 2019

I have worked for several political candidates. Some are more difficult than others. I've known of one who would go apeshit if his (plastic bag style) yard signs were not also stapled to the wires. Others don't want to hear constructive criticism about things like their websites or campaign priorities. When someone spends a lot of time with the candidate, personality clashes happen.

The empressof all

(29,098 posts)
7. So the smears and whispers are starting with Amy now
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:52 PM
Feb 2019

Oh Please...People were told their work was "the worst"!!! LOL...….How cruel! How heartless!!!!!!

BannonsLiver

(16,396 posts)
21. HuffPo has been reliably anti Dem for a while now
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:04 PM
Feb 2019

This isn’t the first hit piece they’ve shat out on a prominent Dem in recent months.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
9. Lots of details in there
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:55 PM
Feb 2019

Highest turnover rates on the Hill for most of her career don’t lie. But, hey, at least she never claimed to be Native American.

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
10. Here we go
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:57 PM
Feb 2019

Anyone who announces or implies they are going to run for president is vulnerable to every petty story that can be dug up or fabricated. Maybe its true, but I'm taking such stories with a grain of salt for now, unless we get more verification.

Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #13)

question everything

(47,487 posts)
14. PLEASE do not repeat this piece of fake journalism
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 03:59 PM
Feb 2019

In the story, they refer to her senate tenure starting in... 2001. She did not enter the senate until 2007.

This put the whole story in question.

brooklynite

(94,599 posts)
22. Not what the article says...
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:04 PM
Feb 2019

It compares her staff turnover to other Senators; the resource was a database going back to 2001

Klobuchar’s rate of turnover ranked No. 1 in an analysis of all Senate staff salaries between 2001 and 2016, conducted by LegiStorm, a widely used database of congressional staff salaries. (Klobuchar was sworn into office in 2007.)

question everything

(47,487 posts)
28. Glad to see that they added the qualification. I complained
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:09 PM
Feb 2019

Still, if the database goes to 2001 she cannot be part of it until 2007. So go ahead, break the database and then give your results.

This really is "How to lie with Statistics."

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
37. It doesn't matter when she joined the Senate. It's talking about rate of turnover.
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:41 PM
Feb 2019

It's simply saying that in an analysis of Senate staffs going back to 2001, the staff with the highest rate/percentage of turnover is Klobuchar's.

Now, I don't much care about this story, but your critique is off-base.

question everything

(47,487 posts)
30. I don't know but I am sure they have their own reasons
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:12 PM
Feb 2019

perhaps prefer to work for Warren.

I suspect that she is a perfectionist and demand such from her staff. Perhaps staff members were looking for a motherly, nurturing boss. I can assure you that she been a man - they would admire him as tough and demanding.

Autumn

(45,107 posts)
35. It doesn't say her tenure started in 2001
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:33 PM
Feb 2019
What is indisputable, however, is that Klobuchar’s office consistently has one of the highest rates of staff turnover in the Senate. Klobuchar’s rate of turnover ranked No. 1 in an analysis of all Senate staff salaries between 2001 and 2016, conducted by LegiStorm, a widely used database of congressional staff salaries. (Klobuchar was sworn into office in 2007.) She’s now third, behind Maryland Democrat Chris Van Hollen and Louisiana Republican John Kennedy.


ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
23. Meh
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:04 PM
Feb 2019

If that's the worst they can say about her...that some anonymous ex-staffers claim she's mean... then she has nothing to worry about.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
24. I've read, here and there, that Bernie Sanders
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:06 PM
Feb 2019

can be abrasive towards his staff. FFS people, presidential candidates are not one thing, not just nice and not just mean. They have emotions like all people.

They have high standards and they do task their staffs to the limit, but overreacting to these stories about petty issues regarding Democratic candidates will be the death of us in November 2020

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
26. Look at all the repsonses already in this thread immediately falling for this tactic of
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:08 PM
Feb 2019

smearing Democrats by "former Klobuchar staffers, all of whom spoke to HuffPost on condition of anonymity" and by these mysterious sources from whom Huffpost "has learned". And, all the while neverminding Huffpost, one of the most egregious click-bait sites (I'm looking at you, too, Raw Story) on the internet and a ubiquitous purveyor of speculation and out right wrong conclusions.

And they do this while simultaneously throwing out their own previous impressions of Sen. Klobuchar in a split-second. I see this constantly and I'm still shaking my head.

 

LakeSuperiorView

(1,533 posts)
31. Apparently, Sen Klobuchar is unacceptable because she is from Minnesota.
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:13 PM
Feb 2019

We obviously must all work together to destroy the futures of any politician from the Midwest as their potential interferes with politicians from the East or West coasts.








The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
32. This isn't just GOP ratf*cking, though they'd use it if they could, just as the MN GOP did in 2006.
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 04:23 PM
Feb 2019

Unfortunately, these claims have been made ever since 2006, when she was the Hennepin County Attorney and first ran for the Senate. At that time the local GOP made a big deal of some staff complaints and tried to get the union, AFSCME, to withhold their endorsement, but they endorsed her anyhow and she went on to win. However, there seems to be at least some basis for these complaints, and whether it's coming from just a few disgruntled employees or maybe people over-reacting to a demanding boss (maybe because of her gender?), it seems to me that it's something that needs to be addressed head-on, and explained and dealt with early, so it can't be made a big deal when the primaries start up.

All of the candidates are going to have flaws, and maybe a few skeletons in their closets, even if just a femur or a thumb bone. Some of these might be problematic; some not; some maybe not even real. But it's better to know about them before voters have to make decisions. Give the candidates a chance to address the claims and be done with them if possible, and move on. We don't want a situation like Virginia or John Edwards.

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
46. as someone who's worked for both male and female candidates
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:18 PM
Feb 2019

The women can be very demanding in their own way. Also (IME) more stubborn.

Some things that only female candidates have done
Strict dress code for events-- this is beyond "don't wear jeans to a Jefferson Jackson dinner" but instead went into detail about minimum length for dresses/skirts and how low cut a top could be. Even if we were wearing jeans, the top could not be low cut.
Micromanaging individual counties in a large (11+ county) district-- I've worked in 2 such districts (one male candidate, one female candidate-- different states). She used a staff conference call to nitpick every individual county. He could care less as long as we were hitting numbers.
Used her campaign website to tell her life story-- as a voter I want to know what makes you qualified and where you stand on the issues. Photos should be you out in the community at events, knocking on doors, etc. Not your kindergarten school photo.
Yard signs-- As a staffer I HATE HATE HATE those things. HOwever, they do increase name ID. However, my female candidates were much more into them than my male candidates. One (large district) even wanted us to deliver them (hour + drive each way). At least we were paid mileage.

brooklynite

(94,599 posts)
48. UPDATE: Buzzfeed has it's own reporting
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:42 PM
Feb 2019
But behind the doors of her Washington, DC, office, the Minnesota Democrat ran a workplace controlled by fear, anger, and shame, according to interviews with eight former staffers, one that many employees found intolerably cruel. She demeaned and berated her staff almost daily, subjecting them to bouts of explosive rage and regular humiliation within the office, according to interviews and dozens of emails reviewed by BuzzFeed News.

That anger regularly left employees in tears, four former staffers said. She yelled, threw papers, and sometimes even hurled objects; one aide was accidentally hit with a flying binder, according to someone who saw it happen, though the staffer said the senator did not intend to hit anyone with the binder when she threw it.

“I cried. I cried, like, all the time,” said one former staffer.

In the emails seen by BuzzFeed, often sent between 1 and 4 in the morning, Klobuchar regularly berated employees, often in all capital letters, over minor mistakes, misunderstandings, and misplaced commas. Klobuchar, in the emails, which were mostly sent over the past few years, referred to her staff’s work as “the worst in ... years,” and “the worst in my life.”

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mollyhensleyclancy/amy-klobuchar-staff-2020-election

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
51. High staff turnover is always a tell
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 05:54 PM
Feb 2019

In Washington, she is known as one of the most difficult bosses on Capitol Hill. From 2001 to 2016, Klobuchar had the highest staff turnover rate in the Senate. Her Washington office currently has 24 employees, according to the website LegiStorm


Most staffers who spoke with BuzzFeed News are experienced congressional employees who say they have worked with difficult lawmakers, men and women, in the past. But as a boss, Klobuchar was uniquely unbearable, most former staffers said — in a way that four staffers said was “worse” than any rumors about her behavior they had heard.

Anything could set her temper off, they said, and it was often unpredictable. Among the things that staffers said had prompted outbursts from Klobuchar: minor grammar mistakes, the use of the word “community” in press releases, forgetting to pack the proper coat in her suitcase, failing to charge her iPad, and using staples.“Two months later, that changes, and she’s really pissed about paper clips,” said the second former staffer.

Klobuchar’s temper also affected her own ability to do her job, said that staffer, making it difficult to prep her for interviews or distracting her in the moments before a hearing.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
53. Wow. Not good.
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 07:13 PM
Feb 2019

From appearances, I would have never imagined that about her. She always comes across as very calm and level headed.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
55. I was shocked. A lot of people are crying sexism, that women get judged differently but
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 07:16 PM
Feb 2019

regardless of sex this behavior is abusive.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
56. Not great to read about
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 08:26 PM
Feb 2019

I'd like to hear from those people as well as read about it. Also another source to explore. If Klobuchar enters the race no doubt that would happen.

How she acts in public is exponentially more important than how she is viewed by some staff members, but I won't discount this completely. Sounds like she needs to loosen up in the morning in particular.

If it is sloppy writing by staff then I have greater understanding because that would drive me nuts also. Those communications to the media via briefing or press release are so vital toward how the senator and his/her positions are viewed. I would not tolerate subpar work in those categories. But more than anything I would try to make darn sure I had exceptional people filling those roles in the first place.

This doesn't dent my support of Klobuchar. We'll see where it goes. If she is asked about it directly I can almost guarantee her response will be strong and superb.

BTW, many thanks for the two hearts. I don't want to start a separate thread but that doesn't mean they aren't every bit as appreciated. Anyone who donated those to me would likely know to check an Amy Klobuchar thread...regardless of the awkward content.

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