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#metoo doesn't mean guilt by accusation!!! #NoFranken2.0 !!! Give Fairfax a fair investigation (Original Post) uponit7771 Feb 2019 OP
Absolutely Eliot Rosewater Feb 2019 #1
+1, That's the MSM ... Fuck Rod just mentioned BK as if he doesn't remember BK avoided an uponit7771 Feb 2019 #6
I agree PatSeg Feb 2019 #2
AMEN!! The people calling for any accused to step down is just repeating Franken Ratfuck ... uponit7771 Feb 2019 #13
I knew some really decent people PatSeg Feb 2019 #35
The consistent thing to do is have an investigation... TCJ70 Feb 2019 #3
Ok. Who investigates? theboss Feb 2019 #5
The people who had or would have had jurisdiction at the time? TCJ70 Feb 2019 #8
So we ask the Boston police to investigate date rape from 15 years ago theboss Feb 2019 #26
Yes. That's really the only viable option at this point. TCJ70 Feb 2019 #27
"It's not right to pass judgement based solely on accusations." THANK YOU !! That's not #metoo!!! uponit7771 Feb 2019 #29
Same group who investigated Ellison uponit7771 Feb 2019 #9
Right, investigation like what Kieth Ellison got would do us all good uponit7771 Feb 2019 #7
Yep. N/t TCJ70 Feb 2019 #10
# metoo Rustyeye77 Feb 2019 #4
republicans are going to have no problem supplying accusers standingtall Feb 2019 #11
Yep, for them #metoo is guilt by accusation now. uponit7771 Feb 2019 #15
With a complicit media as well DFW Feb 2019 #25
We are training them well. Rewards always KPN Feb 2019 #31
He deserves an investigation TheRealNorth Feb 2019 #12
He would be foolish to resign before calling for the due process Ellison got uponit7771 Feb 2019 #17
No. She told people about it at the time. He MUST resign and be lucky he ain't in jail. boston bean Feb 2019 #14
That STILL doesn't mean forgo due process. Fairfax is calling .... uponit7771 Feb 2019 #16
Nope. His due process is to resign and be grateful he wasn't prosecuted. boston bean Feb 2019 #21
Like Franken? uponit7771 Feb 2019 #23
Did women accuse Franken of Rape and had documented it at the time?? boston bean Feb 2019 #24
No, they accused him of assault ... ie touching them in ways they didn't want and had documetantion uponit7771 Feb 2019 #28
Huh? On what basis should he resign? KPN Feb 2019 #32
THIS !!!! Especially when this issue can be investigated by VA DNC like Ellison was !! uponit7771 Feb 2019 #33
Certainly not looking good for him... he deserves to be heard though, just like his accusers. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #30
Just saw in another post that there are three more alleged madville Feb 2019 #18
None of that means Franken2.0, investigations are part of due process ... NoFranken2.0 ... doing uponit7771 Feb 2019 #22
This is hardly the same as Al Franken's situation. progressoid Feb 2019 #19
Doesn't have to be, due process is needed and Franken didn't get it where Ellison did and so should uponit7771 Feb 2019 #20
I think that an investigation is called for. nt Blue_true Feb 2019 #34

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
1. Absolutely
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:26 PM
Feb 2019

If he was a con, they wouldnt even bother with an investigation, they have no problem with the behavour alleged

A L L E G E D

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
6. +1, That's the MSM ... Fuck Rod just mentioned BK as if he doesn't remember BK avoided an
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:33 PM
Feb 2019

... investigation were as Fairfax is calling for one.

PatSeg

(47,504 posts)
2. I agree
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:29 PM
Feb 2019

I'm not going to pass judgment on Fairfax or the two women who made accusations, not without a more thorough investigation. Its okay to withhold comment until more information is available. We don't have to repeat everything we hear.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
13. AMEN!! The people calling for any accused to step down is just repeating Franken Ratfuck ...
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:37 PM
Feb 2019

... where one person who accused Franken said he squeezed her side fat ... I pray that's not repeated.

PatSeg

(47,504 posts)
35. I knew some really decent people
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 07:22 PM
Feb 2019

who bought into the Al Franken accusations without giving him the chance to defend himself. It was at a time when new credible accusations were coming out almost every day, so it was easy to slip a bogus one in there. Republican operatives know what they are doing. They are really good at it and have no attachment to truth or principles.

As a woman, I will always listen with an open mind to sexual abuse allegations, but I will not assume someone is guilty just because they've been accused. We should be better than that. We need to learn to stop and take a breath before we pass judgment.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
3. The consistent thing to do is have an investigation...
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:30 PM
Feb 2019

...like the one Franken didn’t get or the one Kavanaugh wasn’t given. I’m not equating the two in anything except that neither had an investigation of the claims against them as they should have.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
8. The people who had or would have had jurisdiction at the time?
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:35 PM
Feb 2019

I don’t know but that seems like the most right option to me. I just know that we live in a time when anyone can say anything...and the only way to clear things up is to take a closer look at these situations.

 

theboss

(10,491 posts)
26. So we ask the Boston police to investigate date rape from 15 years ago
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:48 PM
Feb 2019

And the Durham police to investigate a rape at Duke in 2000. Can that one even be prosecuted?

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
27. Yes. That's really the only viable option at this point.
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:52 PM
Feb 2019

It’s not right to pass judgement based solely on accusations. If the statute of limitations has passed so be it, I guess, but either way, an accusation isn’t credible based solely on its existence.

It sounds like this second person has contemporary evidence that should be very easy for law enforcement or investigation professionals to go through and verify.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
29. "It's not right to pass judgement based solely on accusations." THANK YOU !! That's not #metoo!!!
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:55 PM
Feb 2019

Is to convict someone in part or whole solely off an accusation

 

Rustyeye77

(2,736 posts)
4. # metoo
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:31 PM
Feb 2019

First he allegedly FORCES a woman ( disgusting ) to perform fellatio on him.

Now he allegedly RAPES ( disgusting ) a woman.

All Northam did was a stupid act...not illegal by sexually assaulting women.



standingtall

(2,785 posts)
11. republicans are going to have no problem supplying accusers
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:35 PM
Feb 2019

sense they now know that's all it takes for us to demand someone resign.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
16. That STILL doesn't mean forgo due process. Fairfax is calling ....
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:39 PM
Feb 2019

... for an investigation.

#metoo doesn't mean guilt by accusation ESPECIALLY when the KGOP is apt at ratfucking

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
28. No, they accused him of assault ... ie touching them in ways they didn't want and had documetantion
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:53 PM
Feb 2019

... too ie pictures seeing one of them had a picture of him squeezing her love handles.

Again.

#metoo does ... NOT ... mean guilt by accusation ... FUCK THAT !!!

DNC should investigate and give a verdict, the VA state DNC is an embarrassment

madville

(7,412 posts)
18. Just saw in another post that there are three more alleged
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:43 PM
Feb 2019

Victims talking to the media now. I don't think he can survive this second one but if one or two more credible accusations surface over the weekend I doubt he makes it past Monday.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
22. None of that means Franken2.0, investigations are part of due process ... NoFranken2.0 ... doing
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:45 PM
Feb 2019

.... the same thing another day expecting different results.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
20. Doesn't have to be, due process is needed and Franken didn't get it where Ellison did and so should
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 06:43 PM
Feb 2019

... Fairfax

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