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Demovictory9

(32,454 posts)
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 11:53 PM Feb 2019

Why America's New Apartment Buildings All Look the Same

Why America’s New Apartment Buildings All Look the Same
Cheap stick framing has led to a proliferation of blocky, forgettable mid-rises—and more than a few construction fires.





https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-02-13/why-america-s-new-apartment-buildings-all-look-the-same

These buildings are in almost every U.S. city. They range from three to seven stories tall and can stretch for blocks. They’re usually full of rental apartments, but they can also house college dorms, condominiums, hotels, or assisted-living facilities. Close to city centers, they tend toward a blocky, often colorful modernism; out in the suburbs, their architecture is more likely to feature peaked roofs and historical motifs. Their outer walls are covered with fiber cement, metal, stucco, or bricks.

They really are everywhere, I discovered on a cross-country drive last fall, and they’re going up fast. In 2017, 187,000 new housing units were completed in buildings of 50 units or more in the U.S., the most since the Census Bureau started keeping track in 1972. By my informal massaging of the data, well over half of those were in blocky mid-rises.

The number of floors and the presence of a podium varies; the key unifying element, it turns out, is under the skin. They’re almost always made of softwood two-by-fours, or “stick,” in construction parlance, that have been nailed together in frames like those in suburban tract houses.

The method traces to 1830s Chicago, a boomtown with vast forests nearby. Nailing together thin, precut wooden boards into a “balloon frame” allowed for the rapid construction of “a simple cage which the builder can surface within and without with any desired material,” the architect Walker Field wrote in 1943. “It exemplifies those twin conditions that underlie all that is American in our building arts: the chronic shortage of skilled labor, and the almost universal use of wood.” The balloon frame and its variants still dominate single-family homebuilding in the U.S. and Canada. It’s also standard in Australia and New Zealand, and pretty big in Japan, but not in the rest of the world.

In the U.S., stick framing appears to have become the default construction method for apartment complexes as well. The big reason is that it costs much less—I heard estimates from 20 percent to 40 percent less—than building with concrete, steel, or masonry. Those industries have sponsored several studies disputing the gap, but most builders clearly think it exists.

They’re also comfortable with wood. “You can make mistakes and you can cut another piece,” says Michael Feigin, chief construction officer at AvalonBay Communities Inc., the country’s fourth-biggest apartment owner. “With concrete and steel, it’s just a lot more work to fix problems.” If supplies run out, adds Kenneth Bland, a vice president at the trade group American Wood Council, builders “know they can run to the nearest big box and get what they need.”

They can also run to the nearest big-box store to find workers. Stick construction allows builders to use cheaper casual labor rather than often-unionized skilled tradespeople. And it makes life easier for electricians, plumbers, and the like because it leaves open spaces through which wires, pipes, and ducts can run. Still, there’s a reason why stick wasn’t the default for big apartment buildings until recently, and why these buildings are limited in height: Sticks burn.



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Why America's New Apartment Buildings All Look the Same (Original Post) Demovictory9 Feb 2019 OP
welp if you can't get a mc mansion 912gdm Feb 2019 #1
I'm a native Austinite Texasgal Feb 2019 #2
Same this is going on in Portland, OR Blecht Feb 2019 #3
Los angeles suburbs... West San Fernando valley has entire community of them (Warner center) Demovictory9 Feb 2019 #4
From Austin too. The only thing "weird" about Austin now is how everything looks the same. nt Javaman Feb 2019 #28
I totally agree with you! AwakeAtLast Feb 2019 #36
Have to say for medium density housing those examples aren't that bad. meadowlander Feb 2019 #5
Ah, the Dingbat Brother Buzz Feb 2019 #6
the apartment buildings with the overhang fell unto the parking during the 94 northridge earthquake Demovictory9 Feb 2019 #12
Don't even get me started... meadowlander Feb 2019 #13
the building type in your #2 photo are ALLLLLLL over Los Angeles Demovictory9 Feb 2019 #14
Honestly 4(!?!) carparks per unit! meadowlander Feb 2019 #15
no... only one or two per unit Demovictory9 Feb 2019 #16
All over So Cal shanti Feb 2019 #45
the new buildings are more attractive. The author is taking issue with the construction,cheap labor Demovictory9 Feb 2019 #18
They're more attractive when they're first built. Mariana Feb 2019 #35
Several years ago the powers that be in my community decided to do something Grammy23 Feb 2019 #7
balloon framing went out in the '50s Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2019 #8
yeah, thanks for that, I was about to say the same nilram Feb 2019 #19
And wood is far more green than concrete lamsmy Feb 2019 #21
Plus well-built wood framed buildings are more resilient to earthquake impacts PufPuf23 Feb 2019 #40
They're going up like weeds in South Lake Union, Seattle. Aristus Feb 2019 #9
There are what seems to be zillions in Redmond, Bellevue and Kirkland. fierywoman Feb 2019 #11
And Ballard... BBG Feb 2019 #26
Little Boxes: The Ticky Tacky Song About Social Conformity StarryNite Feb 2019 #10
Daly City, baby, was ground zero for the ticky tacky Malvina Reynolds was referring to Brother Buzz Feb 2019 #20
sorry to disappoint you but i couldn't afford a million dollar unique SF house CreekDog Feb 2019 #31
And they're all overpriced too!!!! LeftInTX Feb 2019 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author pecosbob Feb 2019 #22
I'll take my 1858 Victorian (updated 1880) with its gingerbread and 5 colors. sinkingfeeling Feb 2019 #23
I'll take my JustAnotherGen Feb 2019 #32
Well, that explains a lot... Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #24
Interesting phenomena BumRushDaShow Feb 2019 #25
Just look at some of the horrific fires in NJ..... Historic NY Feb 2019 #27
The insides suck too. grumpyduck Feb 2019 #29
That's what affordable housing looks like... TexasBlueDog Feb 2019 #30
I see these too in STLMO...I am surprised that many of these types of units are going up in ... SWBTATTReg Feb 2019 #33
They have taken over downtown Columbia loyalsister Feb 2019 #37
Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised (getting rid of dorms and replacing w/ expensive replacements)... SWBTATTReg Feb 2019 #42
single family wood frame house safer in earthquake territory Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #34
Not so much in tornado- flood land loyalsister Feb 2019 #38
This sort of housing generally has fire sprinklers in every room and hallway. hunter Feb 2019 #39
Last year, these started coming up all over Durham, NC. They haven't stopped. Sugar Smack Feb 2019 #41
Thanks for the read, good as far as it goes, but it doesn't give a balanced understanding. Hortensis Feb 2019 #43
Looks like purgatory to me Amishman Feb 2019 #44

Texasgal

(17,045 posts)
2. I'm a native Austinite
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:06 AM
Feb 2019

and to me it's so very sad to see my city tear down everything to build these same looking apartments.

They all look the same.... the old charm of my city has gone straight into the toilet.

AwakeAtLast

(14,124 posts)
36. I totally agree with you!
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 04:19 PM
Feb 2019

My sister moved there 12 years ago, and it was a great city! Today, not as much. 😔

meadowlander

(4,395 posts)
5. Have to say for medium density housing those examples aren't that bad.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:21 AM
Feb 2019

If you want affordable housing, you need to accept economies of scale. And at least those developments have some articulation of the facades and aren't completely dominated by carparking.

You could have:



or:



or:



Plus the examples have at least have a unifying theme. Everyone who goes to Paris remarks on how great it is to have perimeter blocks with a distinct architectural style. It's just not economically feasible to have bespoke medium density housing that is also affordable.

No excuses for cheap or unsafe materials but from a pure design perspective the examples you've posted are probably in the top 10% for medium density developments.

Brother Buzz

(36,423 posts)
6. Ah, the Dingbat
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:32 AM
Feb 2019

A dingbat is a type of formulaic apartment building that flourished in the Sun Belt region of the United States in the 1950s and 1960s, a vernacular variation of shoebox style "stucco boxes". Dingbats are boxy, two- or three-story apartment houses with overhangs sheltering street-front parking.

Mainly found in Southern California, but also in Arizona, Florida, Hawaii, Nevada and Vancouver, dingbats are known for their downmarket status and inexpensive rents. Some replaced more distinctive but less profitable building structures, such as single-family Victorian homes. Since the 1950s they have been the subject of aesthetic interest as examples of Mid-Century modern design and kitsch, since many dingbats have themed names and specialized trim. Dingbats are also reviled as socially alienating visual blights; California historian Leonard Pitt said of them, "The dingbat typifies Los Angeles apartment building architecture at its worst".

Demovictory9

(32,454 posts)
12. the apartment buildings with the overhang fell unto the parking during the 94 northridge earthquake
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:12 AM
Feb 2019

apartment building with parking rather than a first floor. poles or walls hold up three side of the buildings.

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meadowlander

(4,395 posts)
13. Don't even get me started...
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 02:12 AM
Feb 2019

Built in the last ten years:







You'll be shocked to learn that many of these developments struggle to find responsible tenants who take care of the place.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
45. All over So Cal
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 02:03 PM
Feb 2019

They are ubiquitous in the OC, and should be torn down and replaced. Apartment ghettos, and ugly as shit, especially in the older parts of OC, like Anaheim, Orange, Santa Ana, and Fullerton.

Mariana

(14,856 posts)
35. They're more attractive when they're first built.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:31 PM
Feb 2019

Sometimes they do, anyway, because a lot of this type of construction going up in my area is just fugly.

Anyway, it's temporary due to the cheapo materials and flimsy construction. In ten years or so, they'll start looking "tired" with faded paint or siding, sagging gutters, stains and dirt, and the like. That will get worse over time, as the owners skimp as much as they can get away with on maintenance and repairs. It won't be very long before they look downright slummy - if they don't disintegrate so badly that it's cheaper to tear down and build new from scratch than to keep them up to code.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
7. Several years ago the powers that be in my community decided to do something
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:46 AM
Feb 2019

To attract people back down town. They have a monthly gallery night where restaurants and art galleries, bars and clubs have like an open house. Streets are closed off and bands play outdoors, weather permitting. It has proven to be a very popular thing especially with the young, but young at hearts like it, too.

Not a lot of people actually lived down there. Actually, there were few places to live. It was mostly businesses and things like grocery stores and pharmacies were not close. Then builders started making condos and apartments very similar to the ones in the article. A Publix grocery store with a pharmacy and a Walgreens moved in. People are starting to move back down there. A brand new Y was built with a nice gym and a pool conveniently built next to some of the apartments. It appears to be working. People are moving in and what was once shabby and rundown is improving.

Only fly in the ointment is that they are in a hurricane storm surge zone. Just a few blocks in from the Bay. Unless they forced them to upgrade the bone structure of those buildings, they will be matchsticks after a major hurricane. Let us hope they did upgrade.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,342 posts)
8. balloon framing went out in the '50s
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 01:04 AM
Feb 2019

Balloon framing is a fire hazard -- every pair of studs creates a chimney within the wall. That's why it was replaced with platform framing about 70 years ago.

The author needs to do a bit more research.

PufPuf23

(8,774 posts)
40. Plus well-built wood framed buildings are more resilient to earthquake impacts
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 06:07 PM
Feb 2019

than the cheaper concrete, brick, or stucco.

A wood house requires far less energy to produce materials than steel or cement or brick (mined materials versus wood produced in a managed forest).

The article makes a better architectural statement than materials, environment, or economics.

BBG

(2,537 posts)
26. And Ballard...
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 10:37 AM
Feb 2019

And I just noticed east of I-5 a slew of them around Ravenna. But yeah they are all over the place even in Bothell.

StarryNite

(9,444 posts)
10. Little Boxes: The Ticky Tacky Song About Social Conformity
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 01:28 AM
Feb 2019

"Malvina Reynolds’ folk song, Little Boxes, was based on her observations of urbanization in the San Francisco Bay Area during the early 1960s. Here are the printable lyrics to Little Boxes.

And what does her song mean? Reynolds’ point was that despite everyone’s attempt at diversity, everyone is really succumbing to social conformity. Her observations are quite true, even today.

Within the song, she likens tract housing to “little boxes”, with her use of “ticky-tacky” referring to shoddy construction materials.

This shoddy construction she then likens to people, who she implies are also made out of “ticky-tacky,” when they socially conform, without a true, unique moral inner core. Although people may appear to have wonderful lives and families on the outside, their lack of true uniqueness inside, makes them mass produced, “ticky-tacky,” and “all just the same.”

[link:https://www.famlii.com/little-boxes-ticky-tacky-folk-song-lyrics-malvina-reynolds/|

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
31. sorry to disappoint you but i couldn't afford a million dollar unique SF house
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:06 PM
Feb 2019

so i had to get a ticky tacky condo right near the area in the song.

it beats homelessness but i’m sorry that you’re offended

Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

JustAnotherGen

(31,818 posts)
32. I'll take my
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:09 PM
Feb 2019

Historic district custom built arts and crafts (1909) Tudor house with plaster walls and a brick foundation. Because - it doesn't get better than weird angles, oblong rooms and zig zag hallways. PS - my third floor has the original cast iron bath tub that we simply had re-glazed.

BumRushDaShow

(128,916 posts)
25. Interesting phenomena
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 10:28 AM
Feb 2019

Am seeing that happening here in Philly - notably the "East Falls" section of the city right near the Schuylkill River -

Condos -





(above is under construction)

Before that, there were a spate of this style of apartment about 30 years ago (where yup, the "sticks" burned too) -





It's almost like trying to mimic something like this, minus the arched windows and ornate facades, here in Philly (except the below buildings were actually built in 1852 and the one here on fire had to be demolished this past year) -






Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
27. Just look at some of the horrific fires in NJ.....
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 10:48 AM
Feb 2019

at some of these complexes. I saw a apt. tower in Fort Lee go up, with wood frame. All the fire proofing and sprinkling isn't going to help in some of these 10 or 12 story building that become 'wind whipped'.

[link:https://www.bisnow.com/washington-dc/news/multifamily/wood-frame-apartments-gaining-popularity-with-developers-despite-fire-risk-74533|]

Avalon River Mews apartment in Edgewater, New Jersey, In 2000 this was completely burned by fire, they rebuilt again when this fire happened.
[link:|

grumpyduck

(6,232 posts)
29. The insides suck too.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 11:47 AM
Feb 2019

We've visited a number of these new ones in our area. The insides often look like they were designed by someone with no knowledge of how to plan a living space.

Which they probably were.

TexasBlueDog

(43 posts)
30. That's what affordable housing looks like...
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:01 PM
Feb 2019

They offer basic amenities, meet whatever community codes are in effect and are uh affordable. Don't like landlords? Prefill tenant rolls and community finance them. Cookie cutter finance, cookie cutter purchasing, cookie cutter construction, tenant owned.

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
33. I see these too in STLMO...I am surprised that many of these types of units are going up in ...
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 12:14 PM
Feb 2019

what are called historic neighborhoods in STLMO, where codes are much more rigid in the type and manner of construction, in an attempt to control rampant and 'out of place' development, where neighborhood associations try to keep construction styles uniform and buildings similar to each other so they would not upset the neighborhood continuity/environment. Sometimes this can be a barrier to development of a neighborhood because the historic codes are so restrictive. There is one neighborhood like this (Soulard, the old French quarter), where if you walk up or down the streets, you'll see that over at least 1/2 the buildings need serious rehab work done. But because of the historic codes in place, a lot of this rehab work is being pushed to the sidelines and nothing as a result is being done.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
37. They have taken over downtown Columbia
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 04:38 PM
Feb 2019

They tore down many of the dorms and these building serve as very expensive student housing.

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
42. Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised (getting rid of dorms and replacing w/ expensive replacements)...
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:52 AM
Feb 2019

I'm surprised that this happened to be honest with you (thanks for letting me know). I know that in STLMO housing of this type has been going up like crazy and it's very prevalent through lots of the STLMO area...it shocked me when I went driving through a particular section of the central portion of STL city once (I don't get over there that often) and I was literally amazed at the vast numbers of new units EVERYWHERE!

In Columbia MO too? I am, to be honest with you, surprised being a college town that the financing wouldn't be there to support new housing such as this, but the key is as you said is 'expensive'.

It's too bad in a way, being that the old downtown portions of cities were unique and 'special' with the small retail shops, etc., like Rolla MO was (hopefully still is). It's also too bad that housing is getting so expensive for students being that they are not earning a full income yet and thus places another burden on parents.

Thanks for FYI'ing me on Columbia MO...this really caught me off guard that housing development had pushed itself into cities the size of Columbia too.

hunter

(38,311 posts)
39. This sort of housing generally has fire sprinklers in every room and hallway.
Mon Feb 18, 2019, 05:52 PM
Feb 2019

Entire blocks of the things have burned in Los Angeles and San Jose while under construction, before the fire sprinklers have been installed and activated.

In some sort of dystopian future where the public water supply has failed, or even in some major catastrophe such as a large earthquake, these sorts of structures are the last place you want to be.



Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
43. Thanks for the read, good as far as it goes, but it doesn't give a balanced understanding.
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:19 PM
Feb 2019

How about the positive aspects of wood construction? Including wood's very real environmental benefits (much smaller "footprint" ), ability to be heated and cooled less expensively with tighter construction, and significant structural performance advantages for the cost? Btw, the way taller masonry buildings deal with shear waves (earthquake), older ones at least, is to rock back and forth. (I really appreciated knowing that when a strong quake hit while visiting the 10th floor of an old concrete building in downtown Los Angeles.)

We don't like seeing jobs phased out, but how about the ability to build superior units for less in factories? The floor systems for our home were custom built in a factory because our contractor knew they'd provide a much better product for much the same price than his framers could do. The good thing overall as far as construction goes is that homes, including apartment houses, have never provided such a tremendous degree of comfort and safety for so little. Of course, if we'd won in 2016, the new ones would almost all be wholly or partially solar powered. Far too many of the wonderful treasures we live in are unsustainable if the power goes out -- and stays out -- during weather extremes, and immediately problematic in various ways at any time. Imagine the southwest in August with no power; contemporary standard homes don't allow adequate natural ventilation and few benefit from exterior shade, such as from trees. You'd HAVE to move outside to avoid slow-roasting.

Fwiw, regarding that title, notice that these buildings look virtually identical to the amateur eye to masonry construction. Proportions, unit and window sizes, etc., are functions of mass market and mass construction demands, not the materials. Take a look at the typical tract home and imagine 10 of them joined up to become a row of townhomes. Detached, attached, in Reno, Indianapolis, Charlotte, very little difference. Almost everyone in a fairly new apartment or single-family tract is living in a minor variation on one of very, very few plans.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
44. Looks like purgatory to me
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 01:26 PM
Feb 2019

Plus prefab roof trusses held together with nail plates have a nasty habit of popping apart in a structural fire.

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