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jalan48

(13,864 posts)
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:23 PM Feb 2019

'Not Surprising' But 'So Shameful': Ousted by Ocasio-Cortez, Joe Crowley Heads to K Street Lobbying


After losing a primary race against Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) in what's been called last year's biggest political upset, former Congressman Joe Crowley is headed to one of K Street's largest law and lobbying firms—surprising no one, but garnering a fresh wave of criticism nonetheless.

When Ocasio-Cortez, then a 28-year-old organizer, toppled the 10-term incumbent last year, she had said in her victory speech, "The message that we sent the world tonight is that it is not okay to put donors before your community." Crowley's move to K Street revived critiques of his priorities that tanked his bid to hold on to his U.S. House seat. As one New Yorker put it, "There is a reason that @AOC won my district."

Following months of speculation and reporting that he was being courted by various lobbying groups, news broke Tuesday that Crowley—alongside former Republican Congressman Bill Shuster of Pennsylvania—was hired by Squire Patton Boggs. Squire Patton Boggs counts among its clients several major corporations and governments across the globe. As Politico noted, "The firm's dozens of lobbying clients include Coca-Cola, Procter & Gamble, and UnitedHealth, according to disclosure filings, as well as the governments of Cameroon, China, Croatia, Qatar, and South Korea, and the Palestinian Authority." The Washington Post's Jeff Stein, citing the Center for Responsive Politics, added Amazon, Samsung, and Royal Dutch Shell to that list.

Avi Asher-Schapiro of the Committee to Protect Journalists highlighted the firm's work for Saud al-Qahtani, an aide to Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman—the man who is widely believed to have ordered the assassination of Post journalist and U.S. resident Jamal Khashoggi.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/02/19/not-surprising-so-shameful-ousted-ocasio-cortez-joe-crowley-heads-k-street-lobbying
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'Not Surprising' But 'So Shameful': Ousted by Ocasio-Cortez, Joe Crowley Heads to K Street Lobbying (Original Post) jalan48 Feb 2019 OP
This "revolving door" lobbying by members of Congress needs to stop!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #1
Commondreams. LOL...nt SidDithers Feb 2019 #2
Are you thinking this is "Fake News"? jalan48 Feb 2019 #3
No. I'm laughing that people still read commondreams...nt SidDithers Feb 2019 #4
I bet Joe was laughing too when AOC bounced him out of office. jalan48 Feb 2019 #6
I bet Joe is not as petty as your comment. nt R B Garr Feb 2019 #7
Sorry, I didn't mean to denigrate our newest K St Lobbyist. jalan48 Feb 2019 #9
Sure you did, just like your gloating over one person's election R B Garr Feb 2019 #13
Yes, I have to admit it was great to see AOC replace this guy. jalan48 Feb 2019 #15
LOL, sounds more like you want to lay claim to some R B Garr Feb 2019 #18
Sounds like you are projecting to me. jalan48 Feb 2019 #19
Your concern over Crowley is very obviously rooted R B Garr Feb 2019 #21
Oh, Joe's petty alright. aidbo Feb 2019 #23
LOL, Fake News. No thanks. Why would I listen to some RT type talk for 5 minutes R B Garr Feb 2019 #33
Sam Seder is not with RT. He actually makes regular appearances on msnbc on the Chris Hayes show. aidbo Feb 2019 #34
It's fake news. I know who he is and how some of R B Garr Feb 2019 #38
Many here prefer 'Morning Joe.' nt RandiFan1290 Feb 2019 #41
Yep. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #66
No more petty than bashing a left leaning publication. Amiright? Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #61
The clip is on MSNBC and I posted it below. Trying to R B Garr Feb 2019 #65
With confusion on when the election was Apollyonus Feb 2019 #16
Perhaps becoming a professor or theaocp Feb 2019 #51
There's no law against going to work with Trent Lott, John Boehner and Jack Kingston Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #62
It was Common Dreams quoting a tweet from Zephyr Teachout. lapucelle Feb 2019 #8
hahahahahahahahahaha n/t Apollyonus Feb 2019 #17
My thought exactly hahaha nt Apollyonus Feb 2019 #14
they can't all be Joe and Mika n/t KayF Feb 2019 #42
Joe Crowley was Steve Kornacki's guest tonight on Hard Ball along with Ben Jealous. lapucelle Feb 2019 #5
Joe Crowley... tonedevil Feb 2019 #20
He wasn't asked. Take it up with Kornacki. N/T lapucelle Feb 2019 #22
I have neither watched... tonedevil Feb 2019 #24
For those who do not talk on National TV and are thus unfamiliar with its intricacies, lapucelle Feb 2019 #25
I understand how it happens... tonedevil Feb 2019 #27
You said lapucelle Feb 2019 #30
If I was in line to get... tonedevil Feb 2019 #39
... lapucelle Feb 2019 #43
No doubt many will sell their convictions to the highest bidder. LanternWaste Feb 2019 #53
Leaving chair lunasun Feb 2019 #37
Thanks for the update. lapucelle Feb 2019 #44
Private citizen, Joe should have asked permission. oasis Feb 2019 #10
I wonder what people think a former politiian's supposed to do to make a living when they retire EffieBlack Feb 2019 #47
"pristinity" they demand while "pettiness" they display. smh. oasis Feb 2019 #59
And we care about this because......? Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #11
It's OK kid everybody does it? shanny Feb 2019 #28
+1 million Arazi Feb 2019 #29
I guess some think it's just fine. We have the best system money can buy. jalan48 Feb 2019 #32
They don't think it's just fine. theaocp Feb 2019 #48
I don't get why. jalan48 Feb 2019 #55
My guess is they love to follow the status quo. theaocp Feb 2019 #56
I can see that but no one was forcing him to go to work on K St. I thought that was something jalan48 Feb 2019 #57
Until the money is taken from the politics, we agree to live in a corrupt society. theaocp Feb 2019 #60
So get rid of K Street and get the $$$$ out of political campaigns, then Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #50
Which was my point as well. shanny Feb 2019 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author WeekiWater Feb 2019 #12
Bingo. This is why he lost. shanny Feb 2019 #26
Don't care about the personalities involved pecosbob Feb 2019 #31
I'm on his email list for some reason crazycatlady Feb 2019 #35
I wonder what other career paths do politicians have AlexSFCA Feb 2019 #36
Why do we give a fuck? theaocp Feb 2019 #49
no primaries!!! KayF Feb 2019 #40
I recently received an email from a NYC politician who wanted MY money lapucelle Feb 2019 #45
Please name the politicians who don't ask for money Mariana Feb 2019 #52
This is the first and only politician who has ever asked me for my money lapucelle Feb 2019 #58
One of the reasons I like Senator Warren is that she takes a strong stance against this. n/t demmiblue Feb 2019 #46
Want to see our democracy flourish? Take the money out of it. Period. spanone Feb 2019 #63
Lobbying isn't the problem. The campaign money is EllenJ Feb 2019 #64
Oh yes it is. spanone Feb 2019 #67
You're exactly right EffieBlack Feb 2019 #68

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
1. This "revolving door" lobbying by members of Congress needs to stop!!
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:29 PM
Feb 2019

Fortunately, Bernie and Elizabeth, both now candidates for the 2020 nomination, are leading the charge on this.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

R B Garr

(16,953 posts)
13. Sure you did, just like your gloating over one person's election
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:55 PM
Feb 2019

win from 8 months ago means some big movement for the rest of the country, lol. She won in a changing 80% Democratic district.

R B Garr

(16,953 posts)
18. LOL, sounds more like you want to lay claim to some
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:05 PM
Feb 2019

big Movement from one person’s election, as if being successful in targeting one incumbent Democrat is what you have to cling to. Joe Crowley himself was never the issue,

Katie Hill in Orange County beat an incumbent Republican. Ousting Republicans is much more “great”.

R B Garr

(16,953 posts)
21. Your concern over Crowley is very obviously rooted
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:13 PM
Feb 2019

in something else than beating Republicans. It’s pretty obvious where you are coming from.

R B Garr

(16,953 posts)
33. LOL, Fake News. No thanks. Why would I listen to some RT type talk for 5 minutes
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:05 PM
Feb 2019

with typical anti-Democrat brainwashing spin when I can listen to the actual transcript of what Crowley himself said.

You can tell his observation about her gaining traction because she beat him is exactly on point -- look at the continued gloating over it, months later, this thread is just another gloat.


Crowley quote: "I wish her well and I want her to do well on behalf of my constituents and for the country as well"

 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
34. Sam Seder is not with RT. He actually makes regular appearances on msnbc on the Chris Hayes show.
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:16 PM
Feb 2019

And they’re not his constituents anymore.

R B Garr

(16,953 posts)
38. It's fake news. I know who he is and how some of
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 01:06 AM
Feb 2019

the RT types make a name for themselves with their feigned pseudo/intellectual “critiques” of Democrats. I never said he was with RT, but I know the type,

They were Crowley’s constituents and he said he wished everyone well. WTF is wrong with that?? It’s fake news to try and mock and demonize him. The real interview is what he said, not biased distilled fake news.

R B Garr

(16,953 posts)
65. The clip is on MSNBC and I posted it below. Trying to
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 03:05 PM
Feb 2019

manipulate people with biased screeds from RT types is what is petty. I don’t need Joe’s words filtered by anti-Democrats trying to make a name for themselves by exaggeration and phoniness.

 

Apollyonus

(812 posts)
16. With confusion on when the election was
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:58 PM
Feb 2019

and a 12% turnout where someone won with 6% of the vote is not "bounced."

Joe has a right to make a living and he doesn't need permission.

He will be back.

theaocp

(4,237 posts)
51. Perhaps becoming a professor or
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 10:36 AM
Feb 2019

working a non-profit? Your defense of his influence-peddling choice is gross. Nobody forced him to become the enemy. Fuck corporate lobbyists.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,326 posts)
62. There's no law against going to work with Trent Lott, John Boehner and Jack Kingston
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 02:36 PM
Feb 2019

A feller’s gotta make a livin’

They also had a “strategic relationship” with trump’s consigliere, Michael Cohen. That’s nice...

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
8. It was Common Dreams quoting a tweet from Zephyr Teachout.
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:47 PM
Feb 2019

Cutting edge journalism and insightful commentary at its best!

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
5. Joe Crowley was Steve Kornacki's guest tonight on Hard Ball along with Ben Jealous.
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:42 PM
Feb 2019

Funny how the topic didn't come up, given its characterization as "shameful" by Zephyr Teachout on Twitter.


 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
20. Joe Crowley...
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:11 PM
Feb 2019

was on a political talk show and didn't mention he was going to work at a lobbying firm? Quelle Surprise!

 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
24. I have neither watched...
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:27 PM
Feb 2019

nor paid any attention to Mr. Kornacki up until now so thanks anyway. The hiring was just announced by Squire Patton Boggs today. A new job is something I would be talking about, but then I don't talk on National TV.

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
25. For those who do not talk on National TV and are thus unfamiliar with its intricacies,
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:37 PM
Feb 2019

the host chooses the topic and asks related questions. The guest then answers them.

 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
27. I understand how it happens...
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:46 PM
Feb 2019

that's why I mentioned that I don't do so. Thanks for splainin' though.

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
30. You said
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:00 PM
Feb 2019
"A new job is something I would be talking about"


I took that to mean that you would ignore the host's questions, change the subject, and start talking about yourself even though that is not what is done on National TV.

I'm glad that you understand how it works, but confused by your assertion that you would do it differently.
 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
39. If I was in line to get...
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 04:00 AM
Feb 2019

that sweet lobbyist money I would say whatever I had been told to. Apparently Mr. Crowley and I aren't very different in that respect.

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
43. ...
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 08:23 AM
Feb 2019
If I was [sic] in line to get that sweet lobbyist money I would say whatever I had been told to.

What a stunningly revealing thing to say. Thank you for letting the community and the world at large know exactly what you would do for money. Forewarned is forearmed.
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
53. No doubt many will sell their convictions to the highest bidder.
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 10:57 AM
Feb 2019

Coveting money is often a greater priority than we allow ourselves to realize.

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
44. Thanks for the update.
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 09:06 AM
Feb 2019

Given this news, I would imagine that Crowley has no plans to run again for his old seat. It will be interesting to see if someone else from the Queens organization will be running in 2020.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
47. I wonder what people think a former politiian's supposed to do to make a living when they retire
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 09:41 AM
Feb 2019

He has a degree in political science and communications and many years as a Congressman. But he's not supposed to work for a DC law firm (he's not allowed to lobby, by the way, but he can provide advice and counsel to the lawyers and lobbyists) and he's not supposed to go on television as a commentator. I guess he could join a faculty, but faculty positions are few and far between and are filled very far in advance, so he likely wouldn't be able to get a position for the next year or so. He could join a think tank, but there aren't a lot of progressive think tanks, the jobs are few and the progressive organizations don't pay well.

We sometimes go too far with this "how DARE they make a living using their expertise in their field!" pristinity (yes, I know that's not a word - I made it up because it says what I mean).

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
11. And we care about this because......?
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:54 PM
Feb 2019

Crowley's a private citizen now...

Hell, if this is news then folks would truly be shocked at what some other former high-profile Dem congresscritters are doing right now, if they dared to look...

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
28. It's OK kid everybody does it?
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:53 PM
Feb 2019


This is disgusting. And, no, we should not be discounting it because "private citizen now." This is a real example of the pattern of corruption in our system. You are right, Crowley is only one guy and the rot is widespread. We need to fix it, or live with the results. Oh, wait...we've been doing that already. Is it working for us?

theaocp

(4,237 posts)
48. They don't think it's just fine.
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 09:45 AM
Feb 2019

They actively defend it and even hope he'll run for office again. It's like arguing with table legs.

theaocp

(4,237 posts)
56. My guess is they love to follow the status quo.
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 12:01 PM
Feb 2019

Being in leadership is currently a lot about getting the money. Pelosi is great at that. People fall in line, assuming that's the way of the walk, regardless of the corrupting influence.

jalan48

(13,864 posts)
57. I can see that but no one was forcing him to go to work on K St. I thought that was something
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 12:16 PM
Feb 2019

that differentiated us from the Republicans.

theaocp

(4,237 posts)
60. Until the money is taken from the politics, we agree to live in a corrupt society.
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 02:29 PM
Feb 2019

Dems are people, too, and a lot of them will follow where the money leads. Get it out completely. Everything else (MAYBE climate change) is secondary. I say maybe b/c money could still trump efforts to save our planet.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
50. So get rid of K Street and get the $$$$ out of political campaigns, then
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 10:31 AM
Feb 2019

or are we only interested in cursing the symptoms instead of the disease??

I'm just saying this is BIGGER than just Crowley

Response to jalan48 (Original post)

pecosbob

(7,538 posts)
31. Don't care about the personalities involved
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:01 PM
Feb 2019

but last time I checked my moral compass, working as a lobbyist was about two steps below selling used cars. In a better world they would not exist.

theaocp

(4,237 posts)
49. Why do we give a fuck?
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 09:47 AM
Feb 2019

Morbid curiosity aside, there are a myriad of other peoples' future careers more important than any of these reps.

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
45. I recently received an email from a NYC politician who wanted MY money
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 09:21 AM
Feb 2019

in order to "make THEM pay" for broaching the topic of a primary challenge.

I'm not sure who "they" are, and it made very little sense that the politician expected me to pay when the politician was ominously hinting that "they" would be made to pay.

But you know how politicians are: never let an opportunity to collect the cash go to waste.



Mariana

(14,856 posts)
52. Please name the politicians who don't ask for money
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 10:43 AM
Feb 2019

to fund their re-election campaigns. I'll wait.

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
58. This is the first and only politician who has ever asked me for my money
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 12:34 PM
Feb 2019

in order to make anyone thinking of launching a challenge "pay" for that transgression.

So the answer to your question is "every single other politician and or candidate who has ever contacted me via email".


EllenJ

(12 posts)
64. Lobbying isn't the problem. The campaign money is
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 02:52 PM
Feb 2019

I worked for years for a nonprofit and part of my job was lobbying on behalf of low-income and minority communities. I worked with many other people from other nonprofit civil rights organizations who did the same thing. We lobbied for increased stimulus funding, ACA, infrastructure in underserved communities, jobs programs, the extension of the Voting Rights Act, against and for judicial nominees, among other things. Our work was important, meaningful and effective.

One of the concerns I have about lobbying reform and how it’s presented to the public is that it lumps all lobbying together, gives it all a terrible, sordid reputation based on how big money interests abuse the campaign finance system. If not done right, this “reform” will decimate the ability for civil rights organizations, environmental groups and other smaller entities that fight for people to seek redress and influence policy and government spending.

When I told people I was a registered lobbyist and they gave me that look like I had just eaten an onion sandwich and then belched in their face, I always added, “I use my powers only for good.”

spanone

(135,831 posts)
67. Oh yes it is.
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 03:10 PM
Feb 2019

The organizations that you work for are not the problem, I agree. They should not be lumped in with corporate lobbying which I believe is

wrong and detrimental to democracy.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
68. You're exactly right
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 03:22 PM
Feb 2019

Lobbying is fine. In fact, it's a good thing. Lobbying can be anywhere from emailing Congressperson, to signing a petition, to participating in a letter-writing campaign, to visiting their offices or attending a town hall. That's all part of democracy.

It's when people use the campaign finance system to buy greater access and influence that it becomes a problem. Take the big money out of campaign finance and its contamination of lobbying will go down significantly.

I'm glad you used your powers for good.

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