Bernie has raised four times as much as the second candidate after him in the first 24 hours

[redgreenandblue]

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after his announcement. And most of it from small donors.

Like it or not, at this point in time he should be considered the front runner.

[stonecutter357]

1. taxes please !

[Blue_Tires]

2. 1. How many times are you going to post this? Seriously...

2. Bernie isn't the "frontrunner" of jack fuckin' shit since he isn't a Dem... If you want to say he's the leading independent, then fine.

[TEB]

5. Thank you

[dubyadiprecession]

9. He's 77 years old now.

Retire Bernie! Enjoy your golden years while you still can!

[workinclasszero]

27. Ageism is not a good look

Just sayin

[struggle4progress]

53. It's an incredibly hard job, and it physically stresses people

Trump, at 72, seems to have very little sustained physical and mental energy

Reagan, almost 78 when he left office, required careful press handling to keep his cognitive deficits secret

Sanders, if elected, would be 79 at the start of his term: even if he is intellectually fine, the 24/7 nature of the job would be very difficult to sustain

[Kentonio]

11. He's more popular with Democrats that the others who have announced

Sorry if you don’t like that, but life is tough sometimes.

[Blue_Tires]

15. Not among black folks, I can attest to that personally

And I'll always remember for all his big talk about wanting to fight Trump and turn the party around, he didn't lift a fucking finger to help us in Virginia in the '17 races...

So you know what you can do with your "apology"...

[Kentonio]

38. Sadly polling disagrees with your anecdotal evidence

As I said, life is hard sometimes.

[BannonsLiver]

48. Yeah because black people wouldn't know anything about life being hard would they?

The privilege is showing already and we’re only 36 hours in.

[Kentonio]

62. You made a statement based on your personal opinion

You then claimed it was a wider view held by the black community. That isn’t backed up by the polling. Sorry, but you don’t get to just write your own reality.

[BannonsLiver]

63. Actually I'm not the poster you were replying to

I just happened to be scrolling by and saw the flippant, whitesplaining response you vomited out and felt it was so disgusting it needed to be addressed. The line about creating your own reality is rich though. I guess you don’t do irony.

[Kentonio]

69. Ah, so you just thought you'd drop by and attack?

Ok, I can play too. So you think it’s ‘whitesplaining’ to point out that someone’s anecdotal opinion doesn’t actually stand up to examination? Interesting. Any random bullshit claims you’d like to make yourself that can’t be questioned due to us being a different race?

[BannonsLiver]

71. I think I'd need to see these poll numbers you're breathlessly touting

Last I recall, Hillary did better among minorities in 2016. Now you’re saying Bernie has the best numbers. So I think some kind of documentation might be in order. I’ll wait...

[Kentonio]

77. Sure

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Link to tweet

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[DasMadchen]

79. Crickets....

N/t

[BannonsLiver]

91. Fake news

Nobody’s buying that. Try harder next time.

[Kentonio]

92. How is an Economist/YouGov poll fake news exactly?

[BannonsLiver]

93. LOL

Oh I’m sure they’re fine. It’s the way the Sanders supporter who created the graphic was interpreting them. I’ve seen Sunday roasts cooked less than that graphic, which is why he was widely mocked on twitter. But hey you keep tryin ya hear!

[Kentonio]

94. In other words no actual evidence is going to convince you

Because you are determined you’re right regardless. Fair enough, but I hope the primary doesn’t come as too much of a shock to you.

[Blue_true]

86. How do you feel about Bernie not showing his tax returns?

Some of the people that JUST entered a presidential primary already have made public years worth of returns.

Why would a person who passes himself off as a common man for common people not do anything but enthusiastically release his tax returns?

[Kentonio]

88. I'd like him to release them too

But as he only entered the race 2 days ago, I think there’s plenty of time.

[Blue_true]

90. He has not released his tax returns from the 2016 race or for any of his Senate races.

He promised to release the 2016 returns and has not so far. That raises suspicion in my mind.

[ehrnst]

95. +1000.

[Demsrule86]

19. I think you should prepare yourself for the possibility -very likely- that Sen Sanders

will not win the primary. I see no path for him in the South...and other areas like certain mid west states.

[uponit7771]

24. +1, He wont ignore the "southern states" like last time, he just wont win them this time either ....

... matter of fact, if it's told that he ignored the southern states last time he's screwed.

This is going to be a longer primary than I thought ... just ... shit

[Demsrule86]

36. My fear is a divisive primary...that leads to a loss in the general. I truly wish Sen. Sanders had

not chosen to run.

[SoCalNative]

20. He's not more popular with this Democrat

and he never will be. And that goes for many other Democrats that I know.

And if his berniebros fuck up another election for us....

[Kentonio]

41. That's a shame.

Luckily not all Democrats think the same.

[GemDigger]

64. More than you think.

[uponit7771]

23. Among which part of the democrats

[Mariana]

32. The ones who sent him all that money, obviously. nt.

[uponit7771]

33. Great, no proof of a wide swath is good enough for me

[Kentonio]

40. Have a look at the polls.

[BannonsLiver]

72. What polls?

Let’s see em.

[MrsCoffee]

29. In Vermont.

[we can do it]

81. Russian money does not equal popularity.

[Kentonio]

89. Since when did 150,000+ small donations by Americans

Equal ‘Russian money’?

[ehrnst]

96. The email list he has is WAY bigger than any other candidate running as a Democrat,

none of whom has run for POTUS before. So there's that.

I started receiving emails from the Sanders campaign asking for money in December 2015, and I had never signed up for them.

[Cha]

12. Exactly.

[USALiberal]

75. Alert it or quit whining! nt

[TEB]

3. Bernie had chance run for senate as democrat

Last election he chose independent he is a joke so 2016.

[manor321]

4. And he's gotten the same number of votes. Zero.

[we can do it]

6. Not a democrat

[bearsfootball516]

7. Bringing in the most money doesn't make you the front runner.

If that was the case, Hillary would have won the 2016 election, Romney would have won in 2012...

[grantcart]

49. Jeb had 100 million and got swamped.

[former9thward]

83. She did win the primary.

And that is what is being discussed now.

[disillusioned73]

8. "Like it or not, at this point in time he should be considered the front runner."

All I see are facts..

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[uponit7771]

25. Sanders outspent HRC and lost last time

[Cha]

10. No.. that doesn't "make BS the frontrunner".

Far from it.

[EffieBlack]

34. I recall Sanders supporters trashing people for calling Hillary the frontrunner even AFTER she

started winning primaries. And when they talked about her being the frontunner before the primaries based on her fundraising and polls, we were bombarded with cries of "She can't BUY the nomination" and "Queen Hillary is expecting a CORONATION!""

But now ... not we're supposed to hail Bernie as the frontrunner a year before the first primary because he had a good fundraising day?

[Tom Rinaldo]

60. That was dumb. She always was the front runner for 2016. That's why the candidate filed was so small

... unlike this time around. The only honest debate was over who considered Hillary the literal presumptive nominee, when and why.

It is way too soon in this cycle to call anyone the front runner. The situation is way too fluid. People can have fun trying to assign brackets if they want, such as "Top Tier", but that is just a game political junkies play.

[Fullduplexxx]

13. And he way out spent hillary and still lost the primary

[Cha]

22. That's right.

[ismnotwasm]

14. He has amazing money raising power.

But I don’t consider him a front runner, exactly

[MineralMan]

16. OK. Thanks for letting us know.

Others have done the same.

However, fundraising has little to do with who is the front-runner. Right now, there isn't one. I'll check again later.

[scheming daemons]

17. Money doesn't make you the "front runner". Bernie is polling behind others.

And when Biden gets in..... his money will dwarf Bernie's take.

[Demsrule86]

18. I don't think he is the front runner.Money does not eqaul votes.

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I voted for him last time but will not do so again in a primary...certainly would vote for him should he win the nomination which I consider very unlikely.

[rownesheck]

21. dear lord.

I hate "primary season". How far out are we again from the actual primary voting? We need a constitutional amendment to shorten this hell to 6 weeks tops.

[uponit7771]

26. I thought I'd like this primary season but not any longer

[rownesheck]

30. Yeah.

I wasn't on DU during 2016, and i am dumbfounded already by what I'm seeing. Oy vey.

[workinclasszero]

28. I agree

Super impressive numbers for sure.

[KitSileya]

31. I guess he should be happy he's the only who's run before

And therefore had an organization set up. It is to his advantage, and I'm guessing he's not going shout about how unfair it is for outsiders this time around.

[TexasTowelie]

67. Not only that,

but I believe that he has about $9 million from his Senate campaign fund that he can transfer into the presidential race. That gives him a huge head start over the other candidates.

[Pachamama]

35. I wonder how many of those donations are from Republicans?

Just because he raised more in the first 24 hours means nothing....puhlease....

I and many other people I know here in California plan to donate to Kamala Harris and now will do it sooner...

My plan had been to also wait till we are further along in the primaries to donate to the frontrunner. Also waiting for Biden and whoever else will enter...

[Trumpocalypse]

39. And Russians nt

[GeorgeGist]

37. Too good to be true.

I'm not falling for it.

[Trumpocalypse]

42. Abe was right

[still_one]

43. Like it or not Biden leads in every Democratic poll by double digits, and he hasn't announced yet

[madville]

45. And Bernie is usually 2nd

Latest polls I have seen have Biden around 30% among Democratic primary voters and Bernie is usually around 20%. Harris and Warren are 3rd and 4th typically at around 10%.

I think once Biden declares he will jump up to about 40% support nationwide. How the other candidates and media decide to attack him will be telling, might turn a few people off to him but he starts with a solid base of support the others don't have except for Bernie.

[Power 2 the People]

44. Absolutely.

[yardwork]

46. How do we know that this is from small donors?

[BannonsLiver]

47. So is this going to be a thing like Trump with his crowd sizes?

Lots of posts out there trying to force me to care about Bernie’s fundraising wizardry.

[Quackers]

50. I think Kamala is doing the best right now.

She has my support!

[lancelyons]

51. Bidens time is running out. His lack of commitment on 2020 is setting Bernie up for the presidency.

I dont like Bernie's divisiveness but I will vote for him rather than allow Trump to continue.

We have alot of cleaning up with have to do in USA.. The far right has become a disease infecting large chunks of USA.

Propaganda by Fox news and the likes are the root cause.

Biden better decide soon or he is out.

[Garrett78]

78. I truly can't understand why anyone thinks Sanders has a shot at becoming our nominee.

Were people living in a cave throughout 2016?

[CrossingTheRubicon]

52. How much came from Our Revolution?

I'd like transparency.

[oldtime dfl_er]

54. Cults die hard

.

[lapucelle]

55. $$$$$ CHA-CHING $$$$$

[QC]

56. He's a meanieweeniebobeenie!!!!!1

[pnwmom]

57. His die-hards sent him money again. But there's little reason to think

people who didn't like him last time are suddenly going to swarm to him, and he lost by 4 million votes last time.

[Tom Rinaldo]

58. Front runner is a meaningless term in a wide open election this far out...

"Top Tier Candidate" comes a little closer to being somewhat meaningful as long as that term is flexible and all acknowledge that a hell of a lot can change before the first debates, let alone the actual primaries.

[musicblind]

59. Biden is the front runner in every one of the last 16 polls.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

When he leads in the polls, then he will be the front runner. Until then, he's just the guy with the most rabid base.

I'm not saying he might not become the front runner, but he isn't now.

[LanternWaste]

61. You guys are really pushing the "it's his turn!" meme.

Which is ironic, given its pejorative usage against other candidates that got so much irrational traction some years back.

[Bernie42020]

65. This is sickening.....

Ageism, taxes, not a democrat?

Age don't mean shit anymore. Answer: Have a good (younger) backup plan (VP).

We survived without Chump's taxes.

This guy has supported the democrats since day 1. He's playing within the current system we have, and apparently that's not good enough for many here.

[TexasTowelie]

68. Personally, what I find sickening

is pretending that it doesn't matter that a presidential candidate promises to produce their taxes, then fails to deliver.

Welcome to DU.

[Bernie42020]

73. I just hate it

when that happens.

[ehrnst]

87. +1000

[Adrahil]

66. It's offcial....

A huge chunk of people have learned nothing.

This is a bad, bad sign.

[Bettie]

70. He has greater name recognition

nationwide than any of the others with the exception of Biden.

California goes earlier this year. They will most likely go for Sen. Harris and give her a good lead.

[lunamagica]

74. So? He raised a lot of money last time, and lost by four million votes

[Garrett78]

76. LOL, frontrunner. Good grief.

What makes anyone think he's going to do much, much better than last time among POC and non-millennial women?

[UniteFightBack]

80. Agreed - LOL

I'm sorry but Kamala and him head to head - he done. Biden and Bernie head to head - he done. Basically he done. He can *maybe* count on second bridesmaid but that's about it.

[Garrett78]

82. He's done after New Hampshire, assuming he won't do much, much better than last time among...

...POC and non-millennial women. And I don't have any reason to think that he will.

[UniteFightBack]

84. I don't care how much money he raised....he shall be diluted. He wants the credit for

everything..fine you got the credit now beat it Bernie.

How's that....Beat it Bernie.

[Yonnie3]

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