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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAre our senior Democratic Party members able to grasp the immediacy felt by our nation's youth?
Climate Change is smack dab in the middle of young folks plate. They see the pace of the worlds response as a big, its up to you kids, good luck. Is their, The house is on fire, approach not quite understandable? Is not their tone iappropriate given the circumstances? Is, You didnt vote for me ever a response to their worries and concerns? Was the Senior Senator from California being condescending, patronizing?
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dianne-feinstein-children-green-new-deal_n_5c709505e4b03cfdaa555157
RandySF
(71,352 posts)Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)Doesn't deserve the attack level I've seen.
Magoo48
(5,628 posts)I be curious to see your response to a real attack.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)effects of climate change but they will. DiFi's alternative to the NGD is woefully to little, to late. but this hardly her fault alone. our outrage should be with the oil industries that bought misinformation for decades.
Magoo48
(5,628 posts)is leading the battle with corporate polluters? How can we get our team to ad a little pizzaz and bold rhetoric about real solutions into their stance before the world?
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)and theyve still got to get things passed through Congress. With Republicans controlling the Senate, fuhgeddaboutit.
RandySF
(71,352 posts)Magoo48
(5,628 posts)Like ms. Greta Thunberg recently so clearly reminded world leaders, The house is on fire.
Republicans dont care; we know that. Democrats must respond with immediacy and enthusiasm, with large-as-life clear ideas and forward thinking, with dynamic plans. Now, they appear to be approaching the burning house with squirt guns and water balloons already congratulating themselves upon their response.
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handmade34
(22,991 posts)Feinstein was rude and condescending to the kids!!! that doesn't mean people aren't serious about climate change
pecosbob
(7,904 posts)In addition if the Senate waits for something the Republicans will vote for, we'll all be under water in ten years. It is more important to take back the Senate in 2020 more than ever.
betsuni
(27,353 posts)Mean old selfish establishment lady Democrat won't vote for the New Green Deal, which will easily solve all the world's problems, because she doesn't care if you roast to death in climate change wild fires or drown in floods with your little dog Skippy or be sucked up by tornadoes, she is old and will die soon and it will not happen to her personally. Why do Democrats want you and Skippy to die? HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE. (Do not listen when told how Democrats are in the legislative minority and cannot pass legislature when they don't have the votes unless they come up with something bipartisan.)
Magoo48
(5,628 posts)Nevertheless, its a matter of stance, enthusiasm, breadth of thinking and solution. Its about unwavering respect for those who will shoulder the shit piles and attempt the repairs. There is a clarity of youth which can guide us. Part of our responsibility for what weve left them is to shut up and fucking listen.
betsuni
(27,353 posts)still_one
(96,925 posts)CHANGE
"It is a matter of stance and enthusiasm." That is an INSULT TO HER ENVIRONMENTAL RECORD
She was an environmentalist long before it became fashionable.
and was way ahead of most of the progressive issues
The attack on the environment was aided by some self-identified progressives who refused to vote for the Democratic nominee in 2016, by either voting third party or not voting, because they were duped by the Green Party Candidate who told them there was no difference between the two parties., and it didn't matter.
Well it did matter. Not only did we LOSE TWO SC nominations, but every Democrat running for Senate in those critical swing states lost to the incumbent, establishment, republican, and everyone of those Democrats were progressive by any standard. In those critical swing states the Democratic nominee lost by less than 1%, and Jill F**KING Stein received 1% in those swing states. It didn't take much, just enough
So before you start maligning one of the most pro-enviroment Senators, perhaps you need to examine exactly WHO is attacking the environment, because it ISN'T FEINSTEIN
pecosbob
(7,904 posts)This Senate will not address climate change in any form or fashion whatsoever...so spreading all that bi-partisan BS is just that...BS.
still_one
(96,925 posts)just enough people that there was no difference between republicans and Democrats.
In those critical swing states Jill Stein received 1% of the vote, and the Democratic nominee lost in those swing states by less than 1%
Everyone of the Democrats running for Senate in those critical swing states lost to the incumbent, establishment, republican, and those Democrats were environmentalists and progressive by any standard
samnsara
(18,337 posts)Magoo48
(5,628 posts)Democrats certainly might muster up a bit of enthusiasm and respect for the youth movement which is on the march. Those young people with the clear vision are the ones who will survive or not survive our folly. Blame our party heaps onto Republican shoulders much be larger, more damaging, and consistent. But more important, our vision of how well support todays active youth must match their vision of what they must accomplish.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Where's the evidence of that?
Magoo48
(5,628 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(102,754 posts)How are you going to convince people that you'll try and make a difference when you do get a majority in the Senate, if you won't indicate the kind of actions that are needed? It's pretty weak stuff from Feinstein to say "the Republicans won't let it pass, so I won't advocate it". It leaves her open to charges of "no real difference". Maybe she's already decided she'll never run for office again (not surprising - she'd be 91 at the next Senate election), but it's worth it for the party as a whole to still look to the future.
pecosbob
(7,904 posts)If Mitch McConnell's Senate refuses to bring legislation to the floor, then put his picture on every milk carton, TV ad and billboard in the land.
Magoo48
(5,628 posts)Magoo48
(5,628 posts)tirebiter
(2,600 posts)DiFi beat Micheal Huffington for the Senate in 1994.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Do some of them care about climate change? Of course; but I seek no evidence that it's a transcendent issue to a majority of them.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)you probably meant "see no evidence "
Magoo48
(5,628 posts)jalan48
(14,569 posts)in reacting to the biggest problem facing all Americans (and humans). Younger people understand the seriousness of their situation, maintaining the status quo is no longer an option.
ananda
(31,043 posts)We elders have failed them miserably.
zipplewrath
(16,692 posts)There was no small amount of "tut tutting" by the previous generation about how wrong the boomer children were complaining and protesting. The freedom rides, the lunch counter sit ins, the anti-war protests, the "kids" were doing it all "wrong". There were even tensions within movements as outfits like SNCC and SLC collided over how to properly protest and confront the injustices that had existed for so long.
A bit like then, a generation occasionally rises up and says effectively "you had your shot, get out of the way". This current generation has had a whole bunch-o-stuff dumped in their future lap but are still being told to "let the adults handle it". They aren't buying. It got this bad WHILE the adults were handling things, and now we're being told it's "too late". Well, they don't have time for "too late", their future is all they have.
It reminds me of the 60's in this respect also. The War was supported by both political parties and it was the actions of those most affected by it that brought about change, not the politicians.
BeyondGeography
(40,114 posts)it sadly doesnt make much of a difference whether our entrenched leaders are bringing enough urgency to this issue.
Americans really suck at some basic things, like seeing the bigger picture and making sacrifices for tomorrow, a trait that naturally gets worse as they age.
ismnotwasm
(42,486 posts)Yes.
redstatebluegirl
(12,511 posts)I may be an old fart, but I have helped elect democrats for a long time. Yes I totally understand how climate change and gun violence impact our young people, but I also know what it takes to elect a Democrat in a divided country like this. If we divide our party along any line we lose.
Not all old folks are the enemy and not all young people are the next coming. We have to embrace our differences and get Democrats elected, any way that we can.