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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI do believe Paul Manafort is in deep trouble
You know that second sentencing hearing he's going to face this week? Take a guess who the judge is.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/08/paul-manafort-sentence-could-become-a-longer-one-for-trump-campaign-chief.html
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Yes, ladies and gentlemen, Amy Berman "Enough is enough! I have had it with these motherfucking snakes in this motherfucking administration!" Jackson is about to open some fuckin' windows on Ostrich Skin Boy over there.
catbyte
(34,451 posts)At least that would take him into his low-80's, I guess.
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)Like Judge Ellis exceeded the minimum sentencing guidelines by a long shot?
localroger
(3,630 posts)I suspect Ellis would have let Manafort go with a suspended sentence if the law had let him. Sentencing guidelines are a different thing from statutory penalties. Judges have a lot of leeway to stack penalties consecutively or run them concurrently especially when there are a lot of charges with relatively small statutory sentences per charge, but they can't deviate from the statutory requirements at all. Ellis basically gave Manafort the minimum possible considering the guilty verdicts stacked against him.
IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,020 posts)aeromanKC
(3,327 posts)Don't forget about the State charges. (Non pardonable)
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)jmowreader
(50,562 posts)Accepting a pardon erases Fifth Amendment protections. If Robert Mueller were to bring a pardoned Trump Administration official in and start questioning him, the official would have to answer. Trump knows this and doesn't want to deal with it.
2naSalit
(86,779 posts)But agentorange might not be able to control himself. In that case, Manafort does have to cooperate or he can go back to prison and stay there until Congress (the House) decides to let him out I'm thinking he'll die in prison one way or the other.
Mr. Sparkle
(2,948 posts)The reason Manafort wont talk is a pardon has already been put in place. One of the most telling reasons is the way all of trumps surrogates have come out and said how great a guy he is and how badly he has been treated unlike Cohen who has completely been thrown under the bus. He is going to pardon him under the guise of been very ill.
BamaRefugee
(3,487 posts)at which point The Orange Anal Wart would pardon him again.
Rinse and repeat.
quakerboy
(13,921 posts)1) that they havnt agreed on a pardon for two days after the mueller report has returned and the investigation ended.
2) that Mueller is on our side. The man is still a righty. I will believe he aint crooked when the evidence proves beyond a reasonable doubt. So far, as far as I can tell, all he has produced is a few fall guys and a lot of "The Orange doth protest too much, methinks".
paleotn
(17,960 posts)I don't. There's nothing in it for him initially and he shows little interest in strategic thinking. I doubt he's pardon his own spawn, unless he would quickly benefit from it.
littlemissmartypants
(22,805 posts)Chellee
(2,102 posts)per TRMS we were reminded again that Manafort was skimming money from the Trump inaugural fund, maybe more than we knew about. Per Fire and Fury and Chris Christies' book, we know how he feels about people who "are stealing my fucking money!!" Trump thinks that the inaugural money was "his" money. Reminding him that Manafort was stealing from him might make him change his mind about a pardon. He's so petty and vindictive, and incapable of seeing the big picture. Manafort could be toast.
Botany
(70,581 posts).. besides he has other time coming too.
enough
(13,262 posts)This isnt about judges being on one team or the other, being badass, etc.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Hard to believe a judge spoke that way. I actually find that disturbing and not a good sign, if she said that. Judges are supposed to be neutral, applying the law in a carefully considered, judicious way.
jmowreader
(50,562 posts)But after all the shit Trump has put her through in the last couple of years, she's not likely to be lenient.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Most (not all) work to keep their passions out of their judgments. They are appliers of the law and try to be dispassionate. They're not like you and me.
Even if she's ticked at Trump, that would have no bearing on the Manafort sentencing. He's not Trump.
littlemissmartypants
(22,805 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Federal pardon or not, his life of living large are over.
Plus, he's already forfeited tens of millions of dollars. If he ever gets out he'll be living in the poor house.