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brooklynite

(94,713 posts)
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 10:41 AM Mar 2019

NYC Brokers Say Pied-a-Terre Tax Is 'Class Warfare' on the Rich

Bloomberg

High-end real estate brokers in New York worry that foreign second-home buyers are feeling under assault from all sides and may end up going elsewhere. Already wary of President Donald Trump’s anti-immigrant rhetoric, they now see a planned tax on absentee owners as a swipe from the political left.

“The international buyer has basically gone away over the past two years,” said real estate broker Martin Eiden at Compass, who sells about $50 million of residential property a year. “There’s only so much that people will take -- they’ll either go somewhere else or they’ll just get a hotel room.”

The proposed tax would apply to properties above $5 million owned by non-residents. Governor Andrew Cuomo says the state needs it to pay for transit fixes. Mayor Bill de Blasio says the rich should pay more, especially those who pay no income taxes while full-time residents bear the costs of services that make New York City so attractive to foreigners and out-of-staters.

The tax may slow sales at the upper end of New York’s housing market, but it could also bring benefits that go beyond fixing the subway, including encouraging developers to focus on units that are more affordable to permanent residents, said Moses Gates, a vice president at the Regional Plan Association. In the long run, everyone’s property values benefit from safety, security and cultural amenities funded by full-time residents.
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NYC Brokers Say Pied-a-Terre Tax Is 'Class Warfare' on the Rich (Original Post) brooklynite Mar 2019 OP
The rich have already declared war DBoon Mar 2019 #1
Yup. Was gonna say: Lindsay Mar 2019 #2
The only ones who "need" the buyers who would be effected by this Tom Rinaldo Mar 2019 #3
... emulatorloo Mar 2019 #4
Nah. reasonabletexan Mar 2019 #5
That's the most refreshing story I've read all week BeyondGeography Mar 2019 #6
But how will they launder their money... Wounded Bear Mar 2019 #7
If such a tax drives away potential customers so easily as they claim, then perhaps the ... SWBTATTReg Mar 2019 #8
Cry me a F'ing river! ...nt 2naSalit Mar 2019 #9
Yeah, they'll just buy a condo in the other NYC. maxsolomon Mar 2019 #10
Yes, that other cheaper NYC!!! LOL Or maybe in Oklahoma or West Virginia? winstars Mar 2019 #14
One of the brokers moves $50 million of "residential" property? gratuitous Mar 2019 #11
so let me understand this... getagrip_already Mar 2019 #12
Oh no TheFarseer Mar 2019 #13

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
3. The only ones who "need" the buyers who would be effected by this
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 10:48 AM
Mar 2019

are the ones who directly make commissions off of sales to them. I am not troubled over a possible slow down in the sale of 5 million dollar plus residential units to part time out of state and/or foreign residents. I am troubled over the lack of affordable rental full time housing units.

Wounded Bear

(58,698 posts)
7. But how will they launder their money...
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 11:10 AM
Mar 2019

if NYC slows down the market? I mean, one can only sell so many paintings at inflated prices, you know.

SWBTATTReg

(22,156 posts)
8. If such a tax drives away potential customers so easily as they claim, then perhaps the ...
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 11:11 AM
Mar 2019

residents of NYC don't want such people like this in their city? Also, I wonder if they'll beef up current enforcement efforts since it looks like rump and ilk engaged in fraud just about everywhere, including NYC?

winstars

(4,220 posts)
14. Yes, that other cheaper NYC!!! LOL Or maybe in Oklahoma or West Virginia?
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 03:01 PM
Mar 2019

You know thats where all the cool cats wanna live!!!



It is a good idea to tax these places; they also take up valuable space(apartments)...


London has a similar issue...

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
11. One of the brokers moves $50 million of "residential" property?
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 12:48 PM
Mar 2019

On a 6% commission basis, that means he makes $3 million a year, and Martin Eiden doesn't want to have to hustle and scramble for that little chunk of change. Have a heart!

Also, I don't think many of the high end buyers are going to care all that much. Part of the reason they buy these expensive properties that they live in for just a couple of weeks a year is so that they don't have get a hotel room. The nosy hotel employees might notice something amiss in their suites when they happen upon the domestic slaves. Having a private residence avoids the inconvenience of explaining to suspicious cops who those haggard women with the haunted eyes are.

getagrip_already

(14,825 posts)
12. so let me understand this...
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 12:50 PM
Mar 2019

A Foriner, who is going to spend in excess of $5M for a piece of property they will neither live in nor use, will not buy that unit now, because TAX, and they then won't be able to not live in or not use it?

The humanities!

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