One more thing: Can we postpone the freak-outs until we get to read Mueller's report?

[NacLeeFF]

Please? Thanks!

[uponit7771]

1. Nah, lets weep and knash teeth uselessly wasting energy and time / sarcasm K&R

[wryter2000]

2. Are you sure we'll get to read it?

There's no guarantee of that I'm aware of.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

31. I doubt it... someone, hopefully, will leak it.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[H2O Man]

3. Recommended.

It doesn't appear that everyone here is able to do that.

[wryter2000]

5. We have a large group of people here who always assume the worst

That way, they can't be disappointed. However, if you were around for Fitzmas, you may remember the cynics were right.

[wryter2000]

4. Oh, and welcome to DU

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. Getting hysterical seems to be much more fun,

judging from the responses so far.

[nolabear]

7. Yes. Please! We need to draw strength and not let them weaponize it.

[GoCubsGo]

8. I see you are new here.

Knee-jerk freak-outs are a normal response by many here to such events.

[mcar]

9. Thank you!

[SallyHemmings]

10. YES!

Welcome!

[ancianita]

11. I see no freakouts, only intense discussion. Welcome to DU.

[Honeycombe8]

13. +1. And we DO know some things for certain.

That the Special Counsel chose not to indict any of the Trump family for Russia-related crimes, and Trump for obstruction of justice.

It could be that Trump wasn't indicted for obstruction because he's a President. We don't know.

And I THINK there are still some sealed indictments that we still don't know what they are for.

[ancianita]

17. I believe Malcolm Nance: the classified version of the report could well be an impeachment document.

[USALiberal]

24. Thanks for this, people forget that this is a fucking discussion board. nt

[Honeycombe8]

25. +1. I'm sort of offended by the "don't freak out" instructional posts.

This is a discussion forum. We are adults, discussing a critical report that was turned in. Discussing what that means we know and don't know is not "freaking out."

[Honeycombe8]

12. You do know that the public won't get it any time soon?

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And certainly not all of it. It will be redacted.

Congress will get it, or a summary of it, though. Trump will use all his power to prevent anyone getting the whole report (the law says the AG only has to provide a summary or redacted version).

[smirkymonkey]

30. +1000

I'm not freaking out, but I don't have a lot of faith that we are going to get to see the report in it's entirety. Nor do I have much faith in the belief that justice will be done concerning this joke of an administration. I am glad so many people are so optimistic.

[zentrum]

14. Probably not going to get to read it.

The system is b-r-o-k-e-n.

[lame54]

15. Permission to roll up in the fetal position

[B Stieg]

16. Best idea I've heard today!

[TomSlick]

18. Agreed.

Let's watch the facts develop.

[FellsPointLib]

19. no indictments

I need know no more

[MontanaMama]

20. I need to know a lot more.

And, we'll know more in the coming days. I don't believe the sky is falling.

[Honeycombe8]

26. "Sky is falling" is a subjective thing. Objectively, no Mueller indictments for Russia...

Mueller did not indict any American for Russia-connected crimes. Noteworthy is that no member of the Trump family was indicted.

It's possible he shows evidence of obstruction of justice against Trump. Trump can't be indicted, according to by-the-book people.

So that's what we know. We DON'T know whether the evidence is there for some other authority to take action, whether it's indictments or impeachment.

[relayerbob]

21. Thank you!!

Odds are most of this is covered under state jurisdiction in any case.

[Pepsidog]

22. No. The writing is on the wall. We were had. I now feel bad for Cohen going to jail for lying.

No more indictments is all we need to know. Forget SDNY that’s another media scam to get us to watch. WE are all suckers, dupes, raving lunatics. For 2 years we have read and obsessed over this investigation and it’s a NOTHINGBURGER. Just get accustomed to hearing the word NOTHINGBURGER. WE GOT FUCKED GOOD.

[Honeycombe8]

27. That's not true.

Mueller indicted about 37 people, most of whom were for Russian interfering in our election and democracy. But those were Russians. The Americans have been indicted for lying and money-related crimes, campaign finance, and other things. With the possible exception of Flynn.

Mueller did not indict any American for Russia-conspiracy crimes. We know that. Particularly the Trump family.

This was the purpose of the investigation, and he did his job. So we weren't "had." This was the purpose of the Special Counsel.

Knowing something occurred, and proving it beyond a reasonable doubt are two different things. I've said all along that it's very difficult to get the head guy because they generally buffer themselves from crimes, giving oral instructions to staffers to do their dirty work for them. Trump has been operating as a crime boss for decades, so he knows not to say stupid things or be caught doing criminal acts directly.

What we DON'T know: If Mueller found obstruction of justice by Trump. If he did, he wouldn't indict Trump, since Mueller is a by-the-book guy, and it's generally accepted that Presidents can't be indicted.

The investigation was not a waste of time or money. It was necessary and has been fruitful. If he found that the Trump campaign didn't aid and abet, then so be it. We have to respect that.

But it's possible he found evidence of Russia-related crimes but is passing it on to the DOJ or whoever to take action. He would probably not indict someone for those things, if it would tip the hand to possible future indictments.

We were hoping for indictments of Jr. and Kushner, I know. So that's a disappointment. But the investigation was not a waste of time or money. The NY courts are also not through filing their own indictments for various things.

Let's not forget that the investigation led to The Trump Foundation being shut down and Trump fined.

[Pepsidog]

29. As a criminal defense attorney I understand the legal issues.Mueller obtained some convictions, so

what. Unless there is robust follow up and indictments of all those around him that lied and schemed then it will all have been a waste. I mean I want to see a quick follow up with indictments on his kids for everything they did. They lied and conspired. If we leave this to Congress it will quickly be drown out by the rw media who will excuse any Trump behavior. Congress’s only power is to investigate and make referrals to DOJ that will go nowhere and impeachment which will never happen. Anything the Manhattan DA does and NY State AG will be twisted as retaliation for Mueller’s inaction. If this were a Democratic President Mueller would have indicted or the Republicans would go after him. Without Mueller indictments of Trump’s crime family this has been 2 years of nothing. We already know 90% of what there is to know and still no indictments. I am devasted.

[Generic Brad]

28. Have you read the report?

If it turns out you are right, I will share your feelings. But as of this moment, I recommend remaining neutral. We don't have any facts before us. We should withhold judgement until we all know something definitively.

[USALiberal]

23. I think your definition of "freak Out" is different than most people. nt

[Thekaspervote]

32. Thank you!!

[Gothmog]

33. From the Hoarse Whisperer

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