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Fri Mar 22, 2019, 06:10 PM

 

One more thing: Can we postpone the freak-outs until we get to read Mueller's report?

Please? Thanks!

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Reply One more thing: Can we postpone the freak-outs until we get to read Mueller's report? (Original post)
NacLeeFF Mar 2019 OP
uponit7771 Mar 2019 #1
wryter2000 Mar 2019 #2
InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #31
H2O Man Mar 2019 #3
wryter2000 Mar 2019 #5
wryter2000 Mar 2019 #4
The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #6
nolabear Mar 2019 #7
GoCubsGo Mar 2019 #8
mcar Mar 2019 #9
SallyHemmings Mar 2019 #10
ancianita Mar 2019 #11
Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #13
ancianita Mar 2019 #17
USALiberal Mar 2019 #24
Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #25
Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #12
smirkymonkey Mar 2019 #30
zentrum Mar 2019 #14
lame54 Mar 2019 #15
B Stieg Mar 2019 #16
TomSlick Mar 2019 #18
FellsPointLib Mar 2019 #19
MontanaMama Mar 2019 #20
Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #26
relayerbob Mar 2019 #21
Pepsidog Mar 2019 #22
Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #27
Pepsidog Mar 2019 #29
Generic Brad Mar 2019 #28
USALiberal Mar 2019 #23
Thekaspervote Mar 2019 #32
Gothmog Mar 2019 #33

Response to NacLeeFF (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 06:13 PM

1. Nah, lets weep and knash teeth uselessly wasting energy and time / sarcasm K&R

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Response to NacLeeFF (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 06:17 PM

2. Are you sure we'll get to read it?

There's no guarantee of that I'm aware of.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:10 AM

31. I doubt it... someone, hopefully, will leak it.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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Response to NacLeeFF (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 06:17 PM

3. Recommended.

It doesn't appear that everyone here is able to do that.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 06:18 PM

5. We have a large group of people here who always assume the worst

That way, they can't be disappointed. However, if you were around for Fitzmas, you may remember the cynics were right.

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Response to NacLeeFF (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 06:17 PM

4. Oh, and welcome to DU

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Response to NacLeeFF (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 06:21 PM

6. Getting hysterical seems to be much more fun,

judging from the responses so far.

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Response to NacLeeFF (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 06:22 PM

7. Yes. Please! We need to draw strength and not let them weaponize it.

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Response to NacLeeFF (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 06:23 PM

8. I see you are new here.

Knee-jerk freak-outs are a normal response by many here to such events.

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Response to NacLeeFF (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 06:23 PM

9. Thank you!

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Response to NacLeeFF (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 06:31 PM

10. YES!

Welcome!

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Response to NacLeeFF (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 07:38 PM

11. I see no freakouts, only intense discussion. Welcome to DU.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 07:40 PM

13. +1. And we DO know some things for certain.

That the Special Counsel chose not to indict any of the Trump family for Russia-related crimes, and Trump for obstruction of justice.

It could be that Trump wasn't indicted for obstruction because he's a President. We don't know.

And I THINK there are still some sealed indictments that we still don't know what they are for.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 08:25 PM

17. I believe Malcolm Nance: the classified version of the report could well be an impeachment document.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 09:10 PM

24. Thanks for this, people forget that this is a fucking discussion board. nt

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Response to USALiberal (Reply #24)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 08:35 AM

25. +1. I'm sort of offended by the "don't freak out" instructional posts.

This is a discussion forum. We are adults, discussing a critical report that was turned in. Discussing what that means we know and don't know is not "freaking out."

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Response to NacLeeFF (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 07:38 PM

12. You do know that the public won't get it any time soon?

Last edited Sat Mar 23, 2019, 08:36 AM - Edit history (1)

And certainly not all of it. It will be redacted.

Congress will get it, or a summary of it, though. Trump will use all his power to prevent anyone getting the whole report (the law says the AG only has to provide a summary or redacted version).

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:00 AM

30. +1000

I'm not freaking out, but I don't have a lot of faith that we are going to get to see the report in it's entirety. Nor do I have much faith in the belief that justice will be done concerning this joke of an administration. I am glad so many people are so optimistic.

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Response to NacLeeFF (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 07:48 PM

14. Probably not going to get to read it.

The system is b-r-o-k-e-n.

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Response to NacLeeFF (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 07:50 PM

15. Permission to roll up in the fetal position

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Response to lame54 (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 08:02 PM

16. Best idea I've heard today!

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Response to NacLeeFF (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 08:26 PM

18. Agreed.

Let's watch the facts develop.

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Response to NacLeeFF (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 08:29 PM

19. no indictments

 

I need know no more

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Response to FellsPointLib (Reply #19)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 08:35 PM

20. I need to know a lot more.

And, we'll know more in the coming days. I don't believe the sky is falling.

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #20)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 08:41 AM

26. "Sky is falling" is a subjective thing. Objectively, no Mueller indictments for Russia...

Mueller did not indict any American for Russia-connected crimes. Noteworthy is that no member of the Trump family was indicted.

It's possible he shows evidence of obstruction of justice against Trump. Trump can't be indicted, according to by-the-book people.

So that's what we know. We DON'T know whether the evidence is there for some other authority to take action, whether it's indictments or impeachment.

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Response to NacLeeFF (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 08:39 PM

21. Thank you!!

Odds are most of this is covered under state jurisdiction in any case.

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Response to NacLeeFF (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 09:04 PM

22. No. The writing is on the wall. We were had. I now feel bad for Cohen going to jail for lying.

No more indictments is all we need to know. Forget SDNY thatís another media scam to get us to watch. WE are all suckers, dupes, raving lunatics. For 2 years we have read and obsessed over this investigation and itís a NOTHINGBURGER. Just get accustomed to hearing the word NOTHINGBURGER. WE GOT FUCKED GOOD.

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Response to Pepsidog (Reply #22)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 08:50 AM

27. That's not true.

Mueller indicted about 37 people, most of whom were for Russian interfering in our election and democracy. But those were Russians. The Americans have been indicted for lying and money-related crimes, campaign finance, and other things. With the possible exception of Flynn.

Mueller did not indict any American for Russia-conspiracy crimes. We know that. Particularly the Trump family.

This was the purpose of the investigation, and he did his job. So we weren't "had." This was the purpose of the Special Counsel.

Knowing something occurred, and proving it beyond a reasonable doubt are two different things. I've said all along that it's very difficult to get the head guy because they generally buffer themselves from crimes, giving oral instructions to staffers to do their dirty work for them. Trump has been operating as a crime boss for decades, so he knows not to say stupid things or be caught doing criminal acts directly.

What we DON'T know: If Mueller found obstruction of justice by Trump. If he did, he wouldn't indict Trump, since Mueller is a by-the-book guy, and it's generally accepted that Presidents can't be indicted.

The investigation was not a waste of time or money. It was necessary and has been fruitful. If he found that the Trump campaign didn't aid and abet, then so be it. We have to respect that.

But it's possible he found evidence of Russia-related crimes but is passing it on to the DOJ or whoever to take action. He would probably not indict someone for those things, if it would tip the hand to possible future indictments.

We were hoping for indictments of Jr. and Kushner, I know. So that's a disappointment. But the investigation was not a waste of time or money. The NY courts are also not through filing their own indictments for various things.

Let's not forget that the investigation led to The Trump Foundation being shut down and Trump fined.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #27)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 09:49 AM

29. As a criminal defense attorney I understand the legal issues.Mueller obtained some convictions, so

what. Unless there is robust follow up and indictments of all those around him that lied and schemed then it will all have been a waste. I mean I want to see a quick follow up with indictments on his kids for everything they did. They lied and conspired. If we leave this to Congress it will quickly be drown out by the rw media who will excuse any Trump behavior. Congressís only power is to investigate and make referrals to DOJ that will go nowhere and impeachment which will never happen. Anything the Manhattan DA does and NY State AG will be twisted as retaliation for Muellerís inaction. If this were a Democratic President Mueller would have indicted or the Republicans would go after him. Without Mueller indictments of Trumpís crime family this has been 2 years of nothing. We already know 90% of what there is to know and still no indictments. I am devasted.

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Response to Pepsidog (Reply #22)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 08:51 AM

28. Have you read the report?

If it turns out you are right, I will share your feelings. But as of this moment, I recommend remaining neutral. We don't have any facts before us. We should withhold judgement until we all know something definitively.

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Response to NacLeeFF (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 09:09 PM

23. I think your definition of "freak Out" is different than most people. nt

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Response to NacLeeFF (Original post)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:39 AM

32. Thank you!!

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Response to NacLeeFF (Original post)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:39 AM

33. From the Hoarse Whisperer

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