Why be depressed and disheartened?

[DirtEdonE]

Here's why:

US reacts to end of Mueller probe with relief, skepticism

By MATT SEDENSKY yesterday

"PHILADELPHIA (AP) — With the long-awaited special counsel’s investigation finished but its contents still shrouded in mystery, Americans waited for details, yawned with boredom or stayed fixed to their long-cemented positions on President Donald Trump, the man at the probe’s center.

For all the expected splash of Robert Mueller’s report, it arrived with more of a thud, thanks to the secrecy surrounding it. Few saw reason to think it would sway many opinions in a divided republic.

...

“Now maybe we can move on to better things,” said Bubba Metts, a 61-year-old conservative who is a financial adviser in Lexington, South Carolina. “Twenty million dollars spent — for nothing.”

Dajah Harris, 21, a college senior at Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Virginia, is a Democrat and no fan of Trump. But she saw the investigation as a distraction from more important things like homelessness, college debt and welfare programs. The country should never have elected someone, she said, whose background raises such questions."

Read the rest:
https://www.apnews.com/a347bfa2b2d043c28589c8c99eb9ced2

Nothing changes. The story line is now complete. This nonsense of SDNY or anyone else picking up the ball is all pipe dreams. The federal case was the key. The gop and trump's control of government and the courts as well as the cult-like supporter from the magats will negate anything SDNY or anyone else tries to do.

They'll just be seen as those liberals trying to derail trump with another "witch hunt" again.

It's mueller time. lofl - no wonder trump never fired mueller - he was trump's man on the inside all along.

[Dennis Donovan]

1. Sorry, but this is bullshit...

If it exonerated Trump, we wouldn't still be waiting 2 days after the release of the report.

[happy feet]

33. Agree

What's up with people calling the game in the 2nd inning? Really?
Democracy is slow and messy and requires participation of the citizenship---not debbie downers on the sidelines.

[Atticus]

2. So, were you a cherry picker before you found us 2 months ago? nt

[DirtEdonE]

6. Not sure what that means

Neither the cherry picking reference or the idea I "found you" 2 months ago. I "found you" long ago. Probably been a Democrat longer than most people here have been alive.

I'm just pointing out that, just like the kavanaugh sham, mueller has now given trump and the gopricks a story line, an allegory. Now they stick to the script until it's widely accepted, you know, one of those things "everybody knows".

The repubicans are very good at this. It works for them every time.

[Atticus]

32. Uh-huh. You "don't understand the cherry picking reference" and you found DU "long ago", but

just started showering us with your negative "facts" 2 months ago today.

Cool story, dude.

[DirtEdonE]

43. Whatever, like I said, your references are obtuse nt

[Atticus]

53. "Whatever", indeed. nt

[DirtEdonE]

54. Hey, I'm just trying to prepare you all for the inevitable nt

[Tommy_Carcetti]

3. So you've read the report?

Wait for the report.

[DirtEdonE]

44. How long will you wait for something you'll never see? nt

[Codeine]

4. Codswallop.

He put a bunch of people in jail. He passed a ton of evidence onto other prosecutorial administrations. “Trump’s man on the inside” — get real.

This place needs fumigating.

[DirtEdonE]

8. Codswallop, bullshit, whatever

The story I posted and my opinion of its clear intent and likely affect on the outcome seem to have hit a nerve.

People, not just you personally, but people who've read this so far appear to become upset rather quickly when confronted with the unpleasant truth.

Never trust a repubican. It's mueller time. lol

[LakeArenal]

19. You characterize as our nerve is hit?

You funny pessimist.

[DirtEdonE]

21. Not a funny pessimist

A cold realist.

[LakeArenal]

26. Yeah, realist.

I was hit with that last night in another thread.

That and your “hit a nerve”.

Guess it’s time for a couple new ones.

[zanana1]

63. I'm sure that Democrats in Congress will not be silenced.

This is such an obvious con job we can't accept it. And I don't think the House will accept it, either.

[orangecrush]

12. got that right.

[tymorial]

17. Fumigating

I could not agree more. I knew this would be the result though. anything short of Trump in stocks on the mall wouldn't be satisfactory

[MuseRider]

29. Danced once,

not again. Fumigating this place my own self, but watching.

[demmiblue]

37. This one was obvious from day one. n/t

[LakeArenal]

7. Who's disheartened?

We haven’t heard a thing yet. Let alone the State investigation.

Are you trying to frame the narrative?
Because there hasn’t been anything to frame yet.

[DirtEdonE]

9. So we're going to sit on our hands until barr decides?

Like we did waiting for mueller.

How about WE try to stop them from framing the narrative before the cement of public opinion solidifies?

[LakeArenal]

16. Who is sitting on their hands?

Are you running somewhere for something?

Pelosi not doing anything?
Schumer not doing anything?

People everywhere donating the heck out of our potential candidates. Millions and millions of dollars so far.

Kids are protesting climate change and guns.

Women are protesting for humanity.

State level Dems like Gov Evers using the courts to level the playing field.

Personally I have volunteered for working the convention. I receive at least a text a day asking me to volunteer locally.

I have donated to Act Blue and local candidates.

I’ve worked with get out the vote on the UW campus.

If you think folks are sitting on their hands,get out there and listen to someone who doesn’t share your inaction.

[Atticus]

36. Haven't you heard? "---the MAGATs will negate anything SDNY or anyone else tries to do."

SEE: your OP.

[DirtEdonE]

45. See history

Germany. 1933.

[FM123]

10. I don't understand...

I clicked on your link to the article and it did not say or suggest this:

Nothing changes. The story line is now complete. This nonsense of SDNY or anyone else picking up the ball is all pipe dreams. The federal case was the key. The gop and trump's control of government and the courts as well as the cult-like supporter from the magats will negate anything SDNY or anyone else tries to do.

They'll just be seen as those liberals trying to derail trump with another "witch hunt" again.

It's mueller time. lofl - no wonder trump never fired mueller - he was trump's man on the inside all along.

[DirtEdonE]

22. It's an electoral repeat of 2016

I'm surprised everyone has forgotten so soon.

[FM123]

30. I understand the feelings and fears of the last election repeating itself.

What I didn't understand was how the article showed that Mueller was trumpy's man on the inside all along.

[DirtEdonE]

47. Because the net effect of the 2 year mueller investigation

And the dud of a final release emboldens trump and his magats to no end. They now have a narrative - it really was all a witch hunt - and they don't have any of the evidence to derail their illusions and they never will because the narrative just became the report.

We'll never see the full report. Only that which exculpates trump and supports the repubican narrative.

If mueller had dropped a bombshell, which, be honest, everyone was expecting from this investigation based on the facts we could ascertain just from news sources, witnesses, convicted felons cooperating with the "investigation" - then how the hell did we wind up with this DUD?

That's why mueller was trump's guy inside all along. trump never fired mueller. We only got exciting stories about possible maybe thinking about firing but somehow he never pulled the trigger like he did with comey, for example.

Because they all knew it would be a dud from the beginning. Hey, it's a way better explanation than some of the continuing fantasies about SDNY and such picking it up from here.

You know, everyone expected heads to roll and all we got were some small fish. And a dud of a report for fish paper.

[mr_lebowski]

56. You know, much as I hate to say this, it is POSSIBLE ... that it's a 'dud' because Trump didn't

actually conspire with Russians. Or at the very least, not 'guilty enough' to bring charges, based on the current status of our laws.

I mean, he's definitely guilty of all sorts other illegal shit, but it's not inconceivable Mueller did all he could, conducted himself honorably, and the evidence for him conspiring ... simply wasn't there in the needed volume and specificity.

I mean, it sucks to ponder, and it IS going to have all sorts of negative ramifications if so, as you suggest. And I've NO DOUBT that people AROUND Trump conspired with Russians to help him win the election ... but the state of the laws may legitimately be such that there's not all that much that can legally be 'done to them' for their actions, hence Mueller not bringing charges for conspiracy.

As such, I'm not going to immediately assume Mueller must've been 'bought out' if he more or less exonerates Trump personally.

It's POSSIBLE ... it's just the reality of the situation. And I say that as someone who's paid attention to damn near EVERYTHING that's been published in this case.

[DirtEdonE]

58. Well, lebowski, anything is possible

But I'm coming from the other side. I believe it's impossible there was no conspiracy, that pootin owns trump, that we are now compromised through this union beyond hope.

But I'm just being Miss Sunshine again. I actually believe we have much worse in store.

Enjoy yourself while you can, my friend. At least you'll have something to look back upon.

[mr_lebowski]

59. I'll have a whole lot of drinking, and sadness, sittin' at my PC, to look back on, that's for damn

certain.

Kinda like what happened 2001-2004.

Only then, it was Oxys instead of booze.

I'm thinking it's a good thing I don't know where to get 'em now ... but my liver is suggesting otherwise.

[DirtEdonE]

61. Been there done that

Give up that fucking oxy forever.

Cannabis is the answer, The Tree of Life.

But I still drink a brewski every day.

No sissy white russians for me you commie.

[TheRealistRealist]

11. I am feeling both right now

I am disheartened because I see the big smiles on the faces of this criminal and those who enabled him. He knows he's in the clear.

I am depressed because he will be even more emboldened and the GOP will do nothing. We must vote Dem in 2020. Otherwise the poor, sick, old will be subjected to even more unfathomable cruelty.

[DirtEdonE]

48. Yes. 2020 is our last chance, IMO.

I'm not being melodramatic. We've turned the corner. We're lost forever if we walk any further down this dead end.

[orangecrush]

13. Bye.

[Tipperary]

27. Ikr? This poster has been all over the board with this downer drivel.

It almost seems as though he is somehow gleeful about the disappointment some have expressed.

Interesting...

[TheRealistRealist]

31. Who are you to police my emotions?

I am 51 year old AA female in red state full of armed MAGA lunatics. This criminal is a threat to my personal safety and existence. If he is cleared, then his racist cult will feel more free to do whatever they want to minorities. I am very disheartened by the sight of seeing by the celebratory mood of this creature and his minions. I am depressed because I know what the future holds for people like me if he continues to go unchecked.

But you see my posts of concern as gleeful? Something is seriously wrong with you.

[Tipperary]

38. Um, I was not talking to you or about you.

Lmao. I see you are new here. If you look on the post, you can see to whom I was replying and to whom I was referring. Try and not attack people until you are sure you know what you are saying. Bad form.

Chill out.

[DirtEdonE]

41. Unfortunately, this is to be expected

I knew he was talking about me because I post what they don't want to hear. They hung on to some phony expectations and now they've been dashed so they made up some new phony expectations.

I am the least gleeful here because I'm the most honest. The handwriting is on the wall, people. Mark my words. We'll see who is right soon. And who is gleeful.

[mr_lebowski]

57. Being a welcome participant on DU is not just all about 'being the one who's right' ...

I have that same lack of perspective myself from time to time, so I do understand, but ... remember we're also here to lift another up. We're ALL gonna be suffering if you're proven right, and we all know it, damn well.

Also, we could damn near all make this same post, so you're really not a super-special case, bounding with incredible insight here.

Just sayin'.

[DirtEdonE]

60. I'm trying to shock people back into reality

trump has twisted our perceptions. The internet has given people a useless outlet for change.

This shit would never have happened in the 60s. There would have been thousands of people in the streets, singing songs and carrying signs, mostly say hooray for our side.

But what the fuck. Hooray for our side. Two sides don't tell a story when only one side is right and the other side are traitors.

It's time people. I'm not trying to bring you down. I'm trying to wake you up.

We have all been here before. We can't afford to do nothing again.

[mr_lebowski]

62. People aren't not living in reality, bruh ... Just trying to maintain some semblance of sanity (nt)

[DirtEdonE]

64. I understand. I just want to incite the truth

Here is the truth, lebowski, my favorite movie hero.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142291603#post5

Russian Interference in the 2016 U.S Presidential Election.

"The Special Counsel's investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russian in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election. As the report states: "[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities." 1

1 In assessing potential charges, the Special Counsel also considered whether members of the "Trump campaign "coordintated with Russian election interference activities. The Special Counsel defined "coordination" as an "agreement -- tacit or express -- between the Trump Campaign and the Russian govermnet on election interference."

I'm still reading the rest of barr's garbage but you get the gist, I'm sure: We are all well and truly fucked. The investigation is and always was a sham. We need to take BOTH houses of congress and The White House in 2020 and not by bullshit blue dog reducible margins - by VETO PROOF MARGINS - if we have any hope of circumventing what now appears to be the inevitable.

IMO

[superpatriotman]

14. Because the chief executive confessed to breaking the law

And no one on their side seems to give a shit.

[DirtEdonE]

23. +1 nt

[tymorial]

15. And there it is folks. Mueller was Trumps man all along...

This site sometimes...

I need another breaking seems.

[DirtEdonE]

24. People were lionizing comey for a while too lol nt

[H2O Man]

18. Legalize Lonnie Anderson's hair.

[Baclava]

20. I'm having peach cobbler and ice cream for breakfast

[DirtEdonE]

25. We have bagels every Sunday for breakfast

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

28. Fuck depressed and disheartened.

The fat ladies of the SDNY and the Manhattan DA's office haven't even begun to sing yet; but meanwhile, Cohen, Flynn and Gates continue to sing. Roger Stone doesn't go to trial until next fall, and he's likely to sing his own song when he sees the reality of a prison term (btw, he's the guy with the connection to Wikileaks). This thing isn't over by a long shot. The show is just getting started.

[pnwmom]

34. You have been consuming too much trollish material.

The Mueller report merely signifies the conclusion of the beginning of the investigation. Federal prosecutors from Los Angeles to New York, and in between, are continuing to carry out Mueller-instigated investigations.

And Mueller has never been Trump's man. He is the polar opposite.

[DirtEdonE]

42. So all the "It's Mueller Time!" was just a load of BS?

Because mueller time turned out to be a dud. And not for nothing but polar opposites of trump just don't drop duds on traitors.

[pnwmom]

50. We haven't seen the report so it's false to call it a dud. Devin Nunes is saying

that they should "burn it up" -- so he's expecting it to be bad for his side.

[DirtEdonE]

52. If nunes says burn it up

Based on what nunes has been able to get away with so far without ANY repercussions, it will in all likelihood be burned up.

Because nunes heard that from trump and it looks like donnie boy is going to get everything he wants again. Little wonder he's so fucked up in the head. He hasn't had a rude awakening in his entire life.

trump is george w bush on steroids. Remember when, even in the face of overwhelming evidence, we were all called "bush bashers" for pointing out the truth? And nothing was done? And bush is now painting his toes in a bathtub somewhere while trump makes him look good by comparison?

Yeah. It's like that. On steroids.

[demmiblue]

35. Bullshit. n/t

[lancelyons]

39. If the report exonerated Trump that would already have been released

If the report exonerated Trump that would already have been released.

There is no way that it would remain quiet for the entire weekend. The longer it goes the worse it looks for trump.

I think Trump is actually down in Maralago with other Rs trying to figure out what to do next.

To many people caught up in the "No further Indictments thing" when Mueller wasnt going to indict the president in the first place because of DOJ policies.

[DirtEdonE]

51. Mueller wasnt going to indict the president

There are people involved other than "the *fake* president" - mueller wasn't going to indict ANYONE.

Don Jr.
Eric
Ivanka
Jeff Sessions
Rudy Ghouliani
Matthew Whitaker

You get the idea. There were plenty of names and plenty of evidence but no indictments other than a few low hanging lackeys who are going to get light sentences and pardons.

This is the best way to relieve pressure on "Individual 1" - by releasing a dud of a report with no further indictments recommended so the pressure is off everyone who might be involved because they now have the imprimatur of reasonable doubt.

"If mueller didn't recommend any further indictments then it was just a witch hunt!"
- magat motto for 2020

Thanks bob mueller. You're a real American hero.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

40. "20 million dollars spent on nothing", a right-wing lament often heard on TV.

I wonder, how much was spent on Whitewater, Watergate, eMails, Benghazi, the Warren report?

Whitewater gave us absolutely nothing about Whitewater, but gave us some entertainment about an unrelated affair.

Watergate? Ok, money well spent.

eMails? Benghazi? Yeah, but it doesn't count when Republicans are the ones spending the money.

But, to be fair, $20 million is a lot of money, it could have been spent on a few more golf outings for Trump.

[DirtEdonE]

55. The point is; mueller just handed the right-wing that meme nt

[Hekate]

46. You still here, Little Miss Sunshine?

I wonder why you waste your abundant good nature on the likes of us.

[DirtEdonE]

49. Scary - that sounds like a trump tweet. nt

[Tipperary]

65. No kidding.

Tiresome, is it not?

I think I will just trash this thread.

[DirtEdonE]

66. Sorry to say I told you so

I'm really sorry.

But, I told you so.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142291603#post5

[Tipperary]

67. Ah, you ARE gleeful.

Good to know.

[DirtEdonE]

68. I won't respond in kind because you're just trying to provoke me into

a personal attack so you can report me.

Been there. Known that.

I'm the least gleeful person here because I recognize the truth.

For your part, delusion is its own form of glee, I suppose.

[DirtEdonE]

69. Sorry to say I told you so

But I told you so.

"...no wonder trump never fired mueller - he was trump's man on the inside all along."

I got a lot of flack for posting stuff like this and saying things like 'we can't trust mueller because he's a repubican and you can never trust a repubican' - but there doesn't seem to be much flack left today after barr's latest contribution to our new dear leader's dictatorship.

Maybe now that we all realize we've been had, we can get angry and get something done about this travesty.