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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt's FITZMAS, Y'all! Ready for Pardons all around, for everyone? Manafort, Cohen, Flynn, etc?
Gotta pretty good feeling that's what's coming next.
Well, maybe not Cohen, but everyone else who's not already served their time, who DIDN'T sellout the Mob Boss.
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)For what, exactly?
"I'm not a crook" didn't work for Nixon, and even he didn't pardon his cronies. Ask John Dean.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)he worked for rump so yeah it's pretty obvious that is what he will do.
AND Manafort kept his mouth shut and truly protected this fuck and others.
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)and who apparently DIDN'T TALK.
Yeah, I fully expect a Manafort Pardon, shortly.
And if Stone, Manaforts old buddy, gets convicted? He'll get one, too.
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)How many people did Nixon pardon, Walter?
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Gentlemen's Bet ... I bet Manafort is pardoned.
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)Agnew?
Mitchell?
Kliendienst?
Stans?
And the list goes on...
The GOP's owners knew it wouldn't help them then; I doubt they see it as helping now.
I'll bet Manafort is charged and convicted in NY state before he's pardoned.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)I'm not feeling it.
With Watergate you have the benefit of hindsight, KNOWING that Nixon ordered HIS henchmen to physically break into the DNC HQ, AND that there were tapes proving he did so.
We don't have that right now. You seem to ASSUME Trump colluded, is guilty, there's a big coverup, and that there's definitive proof out there ... but we don't actually now that right now.
If I knew about this situation what I know in hindsight about Watergate, I'd share your enthusiasm. But I don't. And frankly neither do you ...
Good talk
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)The thing is....
you need fire to produce smoke, and there's a hell of a lot of smoke.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)running for POTUS would ever try to pull shit like this.
We DEFINITELY need the House to get the full report though, lets see if we have anything that rises to impeachment level, even if it doesn't rise to 'actual criminal' level.
RHMerriman
(1,376 posts)Agreed back at ya.
I think this was Trump's last "good" day, to be honest.
The Democrats are ready to drag every single Republican protector into Congress for sworn testimony.
Thekaspervote
(32,765 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,516 posts)of collusion by some of his campaign personnel, if not Trump himself.
oswaldactedalone
(3,491 posts)And am not the least bit surprised.
CatWoman
(79,301 posts)it's not clever.
not in the least.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)This is fucking Fitzmas Part II if there ever was one.
Not being 'clever', being Real.
Sorry if it hurts. I'm hurt, just like I was then.