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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy does Schiff have to wait "weeks" for the full report?
As head of the intelligence committee he has a security clearance does he not??? He should have the full report NOW and if he and Barr BOTH want to go through it so Schiff can see exactly what is being redacted and WHY, then Im cool With them taking a few weeks if necessary. But Im not cool with knowing Barr is cutting out ANYTHING that does support his letter, which is what is going to happen if he isnt being babysat.
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)Before he opened his big mouth with that pitiful summery. Goes against all procedure. But it is not the first time for a Barr coverup.
DeminPennswoods
(15,290 posts)are entitled to be briefed on the counterintelligence findings, so they will get any of that information that's part of the SCO report as well as the underlying evidence.
maxrandb
(15,353 posts)Subpoena the full report as evidence that must be reviewed to determine if he has committed impeachable offenses.
watoos
(7,142 posts)it will get pushed to the SC. Will it do the right thing? I doubt it.
Mike Niendorff
(3,462 posts)I sincerely hope at least one Democratic aide in Congress is reading this thread.
MDN
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,494 posts)Along with lying and deceiving and breaking of all tradition......
Baitball Blogger
(46,757 posts)Muellers report investigated Trumps fixers and Trumps fixer is stifling the report.
onetexan
(13,058 posts)Drifter
(4,751 posts)Can Barr be charged with obstruction of justice?
Literally, for covering up Trumps obstruction of justice.
Cheers
Drifter
Takket
(21,625 posts)Right now that report is like crime scene. The longer Barr is allowed to tamper with it, the less likely we are to ever see what was really in it.
onetexan
(13,058 posts)The report & subpoena both mueller & barr to testify. Rosenstein too
watoos
(7,142 posts)if he sees that Barr is lying about his report I do not expect him to sit back and do nothing. Subpoena Barr and Mueller to sit side by side at the same public Congressional hearing. If Republicans fight a subpoena, Nicolle Wallace and Rachel Maddow should invite Bob Mueller to appear on their shows. Democrats need to bring a gun to a gun fight. We can't wait years until we see the Mueller report, we need to see it before the 2020 election and then drive it up every Republican's ass.
onetexan
(13,058 posts)Worked with him have it too. Waiting for it to be leaked. forgot to mention Dems need to bring a bazooka to the fight. This is one we cannot lose, as this democracy is at stake.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Jarqui
(10,130 posts)Barr is not giving the Mueller report or the evidence in a few weeks.
If he has his way, he will never provide it because he would expose what he did.
watoos
(7,142 posts)Democrats need to file a subpoena now.
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)1. to allow Congress the grand jury testimony like it did with Nixon
2. They need an impartial panel or judge set up to review executive privilege for viewing by Congress
Kind of like what they did reviewing Cohen's evidence for attorney-client privilege stuff
They need to get going. It could take a long time to review what 20 lawyers and 40 FBI agents and many warrants, subpoenas, etc collected over a couple of years.
They could get one fairly quick pass on everything but executive privilege once the grand jury hurdle is cleared. National security concerned material could be reviewed by those cleared to see it as to what can be made public - as a second pass.
So very quickly, it most of the report could be made available to Congress except that claimed to be covered by executive privilege. And that only kicks in for the period after he was in office - not for all the evidence during his campaign or before he was sworn in.
watoos
(7,142 posts)Jill Winebank from Watergate stated that it should only take a matter of days to do what you listed. It only takes a couple of days to get a judge to release grand jury testimony, that's all the longer it took for Watergate.
No they don't need a panel set up to do your #2. Mueller should have everything that involves national security highlighted, as well as executive privilege. A Congressional Committee is allowed to see classified information.
3 days max should be all that is needed to release the report.
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)Part of what allowed the grand jury testimony to proceed in Watergate:
https://www.lawfareblog.com/watergate-road-map-and-coming-mueller-report
Jaworski concluded that the best course of action would be for the grand jury, through Judge Sirica, to provide the House with some of the evidence it had collected about Nixons alleged crimes and let the House decide whether and how the evidence implicated impeachable offenses. The evidence consisted of 800 pages of documents and 13 tape recordings of Nixons Oval Office conversations. To assist the House in understanding the evidence, the Special Prosecutors Office included a 55-page Road Map to the evidence. The Road Map did not contain legal analysis or draw legal conclusions. Each page had a sentence or two of factual statements followed by references to the underlying documents and tapes.
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Judge Sirica stated in his decision permitting the transmission of the document to the House Judiciary Committee that the Road Map contained no accusatory conclusions[,] ... no recommendations, advice or statements that infringe on the prerogatives of other branches of government ... [and] no moral or social judgments.
Barr rendering his decision on obstruction of justice stunk that up some because the whole world knows about it and it may well be part of the reason he did it.
Mueller appears to have done what Jaworski did- by the book - more or less. He just collected the evidence and prepared it to be considered by congress without conclusions - like what Judge Sirica wanted.
It is apparent that Mueller did this because he believes the case on obstruction is worthy of consideration by congress. Like the bar on proceeding with prosecutions where the prosecutor should have 95% confidence he can prove beyond reasonable doubt, Mueller is not going to all this trouble to waste the time of Congress. So it is pretty close to a life and death struggle for Trump.
They're going to tie it up in court and fight tooth and nail over every little issue.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)support Barr and the republican agenda. There is something wrong with our governmental procedures when the investigated surrogates review material first and then hand it over.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)True Blue American
(17,988 posts)The cover up is worse than the crime, always!
OnDoutside
(19,970 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)Until their lies and twisted projection-narrative can be repeated by everyone, friend and foe alike.
Handing out the full Mueller report would inform the press and the public, and allow for critical analysis, rebuttals and who-knows-what-else.
These are some genuinely fascist tactics being employed by Republicans.