On Polling Data Joe Biden And What WE Constantly Screw Up About Politics

[Stare Decisis]

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The whole abortion is a winner thing, the whole gun control is on our side thing.

There are proper positions to take, but you have to understand that they may hurt politically. A lot. But don't really on polling data to soothe your fee fees. It won't help.

It seems odd that after literally decades of service to this party that I have to explain it, but here goes-

If position A. is 60 percent in favor, 40 percent NOT in favor, it means less than duck squat. Wha wait? What? Ya. Read it again.

Why? Because, unless the 60 percent in favor will actually get out and vote on it, it is meaningless. Trump won the full base of the Republican party, getting to his demographic max, with two words-Supreme Court. That means abortion. Say half of pro choicers vote that is 30 percent of the electorate. Say 95 percent of pro-lifers vote-that is 38 percent. Now this is not to tell you that we should abandon core principles, but it is to tell you that we need to constantly push our base to vote, win over newbies, and work our asses off.

Whenever I see posters talk about data, I think about the awful mistakes of the Kerry campaign, focus grouping, high road, windsurfing, fake hunting..ugh.

The biggest political tactical difference between the two parties is that one runs on a polling level, the Democrats, and one runs on a street level, the Republicans. Republicans hear the streets. So in order that our candidates be successful we need street kids running these campaigns, not elitists. We need to listen, we need to respond. I don't care about phones, focus grouping, blah blah. I am FROM the midwest. I know what these people feel, they may not go to a fancy office to fuss about it, but it is how they vote. That is the real, man.

But most of you demonstrate that you don't have the stomach to fight on their level. Then you will lose. This isn't "Preserving Your Conscience 101." This is a war. Fight it or not, but know what is required. This is like the Biden thing-

Now Joe might have possibly kissed a young Democratic female on top of the head after possibly smelling her unwashed hair. Maybe. And..not good. But why are we releasing taxes? Constantly apologizing. Once the Republican party stood by a man who proudly crowed about the random sexual assault of women, why would our former VP have to stay out of the race? Get real. Maybe this is true, maybe this woman did have this happen to her. After 76 years of life, as a young man in an era where grabbing secretary booty was part of the interview process, at the twilight of his career, THIS is it? Are you fucking kidding me?

Because if we jump on moral high horses, and toss aside an awesome man, over this who will be left? Pete probably once in his life offended someone. I think at some point Julian had to have actual sex to have children. Aren't you tired of losing?

You know where this garbage leads? It leads to a presidential debate, our candidate on one side, theirs on the other. In youth, our candidate might have sped. Maybe a DUI. Theirs might have committed a vehicular homicide.

And what then happens is some dweeb moderator starts out the debate, "Our first question is about your past, both of you have acknowledged you have criminal records.."

And then you cry and whine and moan about why you lose. Because the best VP in history might have once misread a situation and made a woman uncomfortable. Once. In 76 years. A kiss on top of a woman's head. A smell. Fine, educate him on his error, let him apologize, forgive, and move on. Wrong is wrong and there is no woman that should be marginalized, but there is a continuum of behavior. If something worse is shown, we can talk until then-

Hair smelling and head crown kissing can't disqualify a man from running against a misogynist. It just can't. These so called standards do nothing to make us better than them.

Just subordinate to them.

I don't have the inclination to work with babies on training wheels. Show up ready to fight or don't show up.

[DonViejo]

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