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Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:24 AM

Driver Licenses From These States May Soon Be Invalid for Domestic Flights

The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) would like to remind you that you may need to bring something extra to the airport next year.

Over the next few weeks, the TSA will increase the number of signs at airports around the country reminding you that the REAL ID Act will go into effect on Oct. 1, 2020.

Itís a little-known fact that, at the moment, passengers who show up without an ID may still be able to pass through security. Itís a more time-consuming process, but a TSA agent may be able to confirm your identity by collecting information. Come October 2020, this will no longer be an option. Everybody will have to have an ID on hand.

Beginning on that day, all residents of states whose ID rules do not comply with new REAL ID standards will have to bring federal ID ó like a passport, military ID, permanent resident card or trusted traveler card (like Global Entry) ó to the airport.

Most states are currently in compliance with the REAL ID Act, meaning that residents can travel with their driverís licenses as normal.

However, there are a few states whose residents should keep an eye out. The only state currently under TSA review is California. At the moment, a driverís license will work as identification through May 24, 2019. After that point, it may be necessary to bring a federal ID to the airport.

Several states have been issued an extension. The first deadline is Rhode Island with REAL ID laws going into effect on May 1, 2019. Residents of Alaska and Montana have until June 1, 2019. Those in Kentucky, Missouri and Pennsylvania have been granted an extension until Aug. 1, 2019. And Maine, New Jersey, Oklahoma and Oregon have until Oct. 10, 2019. If state IDs do not become compliant by their extensions, residents will need to bring something like a passport to the airport.


More: https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/driver-licenses-from-these-states-may-soon-be-invalid-for-domestic-flights/ar-BBVXEDp?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U508DHP


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Reply Driver Licenses From These States May Soon Be Invalid for Domestic Flights (Original post)
Rhiannon12866 Apr 2019 OP
True Blue American Apr 2019 #1
Rhiannon12866 Apr 2019 #3
True Blue American Apr 2019 #5
Rhiannon12866 Apr 2019 #10
mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #2
Rhiannon12866 Apr 2019 #4
True Blue American Apr 2019 #7
JohnnyRingo Apr 2019 #8
True Blue American Apr 2019 #12
mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #9
Rhiannon12866 Apr 2019 #11
True Blue American Apr 2019 #16
mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #18
Rhiannon12866 Apr 2019 #20
True Blue American Apr 2019 #14
Rhiannon12866 Apr 2019 #15
mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #17
csziggy Apr 2019 #31
mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #32
csziggy Apr 2019 #34
True Blue American Apr 2019 #6
Behind the Aegis Apr 2019 #13
Rhiannon12866 Apr 2019 #19
Sgent Apr 2019 #21
mnhtnbb Apr 2019 #22
Historic NY Apr 2019 #23
MineralMan Apr 2019 #24
dalton99a Apr 2019 #25
mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #33
ginnyinWI Apr 2019 #26
Johonny Apr 2019 #27
wryter2000 Apr 2019 #28
llmart Apr 2019 #35
wryter2000 Apr 2019 #36
llmart Apr 2019 #39
Blue_true Apr 2019 #41
zipplewrath Apr 2019 #29
MichMan Apr 2019 #30
wryter2000 Apr 2019 #37
malaise Apr 2019 #38
Cold War Spook Apr 2019 #40
cynatnite Apr 2019 #42
GulfCoast66 Apr 2019 #43

Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:38 AM

1. I have my new one.

They told me things would be changing next yar. Since you only get them every 4 years I bet many will not be in compliance.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:45 AM

3. You're right!

I almost forgot - mine is only good thru 2019 - which seemed a really long way off!

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:54 AM

5. Check with your BMV

Before you go.

I misplaced mine, was told registered copy of Birth Certificate, Marriage License,original,asked me if I had only been married once, 2 copies of a Utility bill.

This was just to replace one. Every where you go they ask for your Drivers License.

But here you can get an ID card online for those who do not have. License. I noticed the sign. And they have a fast lane for stickers. You can now get a sticker for up to 4 years.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:03 AM

10. Thanks! I'll have to look into it!

It would have been an easy thing to forget and I know it's something that gets asked for all the time - even if they already know you. If I remember, they just ask for your old one to replace it. I just hope I don't need a new photo, the last time I wasn't happy with it and so the lady took it 4 times.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:39 AM

2. An article which is confusing to the point of virtual uselessness ... no offense (nt)

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:48 AM

4. I didn't know about this - not that I plan on flying

So I thought it was worth a "heads up." I found it disturbing since it reminded me of "show me your papers..."

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:58 AM

7. Really, it has almost reached that point. Gotten worse since

Homeland Security took over. I actually hate that Homeland. Too much like Fatherland.

Younger people have no idea!

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:02 AM

8. In Ohio ...

..they're telling us we won't be able to enter federal building without the new ID. I'm not sure exactly what that means, but I'll comply in a couple months even though I don't plan on flying.

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #8)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:11 AM

12. Read my post,

Same State. And you are right. I have not been in a Federal building. Last time I was in a State was being called for Jury Duty. After 65 you are excusd.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:03 AM

9. Oh, it IS disturbing ... it's just too bare-bones of an article. The mish-mash of 2020 dates with

2019 dates and an handful of states mentioned by name ... the article itself is just confusing as hell. Does all this start in October 2020, or within 1 month ... for California residents?

But basically the long and short is ... if the Feds haven't checked you out (or your state, adhering to much stricter parameters than what they do now) and thus confirmed you're who you say you are, you aren't getting on a plane in the USA.

Anyone who came here undocumented and w/o a Passport, basically, I suspect ... is not flying in this country after Oct. 2020.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:10 AM

11. Well, that's why I posted more than I should have - to include the states

I figured it would be a heads up for anyone in one of those states - so they'd be forewarned that there could be an issue.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:30 AM

16. This is why

I love DU! Sharing is what we do.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:50 AM

18. My comments aren't meant as a knock on you for posting the article Rhi :)

I'm only saying it's confusing in how it lays things out, anyone concerned should definitely not rely on this bare-bones representation. But it's good to let people know they BETTER start thinking about this and look deeper into the details of their particular situation, and potentially pretty damn soon

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #18)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:58 AM

20. Oh, I know.

I was quite startled to read this, so I thought it would be a good idea to post it so people would be aware of these changes. They said right in the article that most people don't know that this is happening.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:19 AM

14. Honestly, that is

Because it is confusing. I was told I needed a certified copy of my birth certificate, not just a copy.

But why my original Wedding Certificate, then 2 copies of a Utility bill? Even asked if I had been married more than once.

I asked one of the clerks if she knew how hard it was to find an old one. She said,Ē I would have trouble finding mine of 20 years ago.Ē You need the original. I guess you could get a notarized copy.

When I got my Notarized Birth Certificate it came from the city I was born in. Now you send to Columbus.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #14)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:26 AM

15. I only remember having to bring my birth certificate when I first got my license

It sticks in my mind because my mother - who naturally drove me there - jumped over the ropes and grabbed it off the counter after the lady was done with it - and the lady yelled at her. She said she was afraid that I'd "lose it."

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #15)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:45 AM

17. Yeah I remember that kinda stuff ... hell I'm 52 and I don't have the original ...

It's in my mom's safe deposit box, and honestly I doubt she'd give it to me. She'd tell me to get my own copy, whatever that requires lol ...

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:54 AM

31. The Real ID Act has been around for a long time but states kept getting extensions

It's one of the reasons that you now have to provide a birth certificate and proof of residence in order to get a driver's license - that is part of the Real ID Act.

The Real ID Act of 2005, Pub.L. 109Ė13, 119 Stat. 302, enacted May 11, 2005, is an Act of Congress that modifies U.S. federal law pertaining to security, authentication, and issuance procedures standards for state driver's licenses and identity documents, as well as various immigration issues pertaining to terrorism.

The law sets forth requirements for state driver's licenses and ID cards to be accepted by the federal government for "official purposes", as defined by the Secretary of the United States Department of Homeland Security. The Secretary of Homeland Security has defined "official purposes" as boarding commercially operated airline flights, and entering federal buildings and nuclear power plants, although the law gives the Secretary the unlimited authority to require a "federal identification" for any other purposes.[4]

The Real ID Act implements the following:

Title II of the act establishes new federal standards for state-issued driver's licenses and non-driver identification cards.
Changing visa limits for temporary workers, nurses, and Australian citizens.
Funding some reports and pilot projects related to border security.
Introducing rules covering "delivery bonds" (similar to bail, but for aliens who have been released pending hearings).
Updating and tightening the laws on application for asylum and deportation of aliens for terrorism.
Waiving laws that interfere with construction of physical barriers at the borders.

On December 20, 2013, the Department of Homeland Security announced that implementation of Phase 1 would begin on January 20, 2014, which followed a yearlong period of "deferred enforcement". There are four planned phases, three of which apply to areas that affect relatively few U.S. citizensóe.g., DHS headquarters, nuclear power plants, and restricted and semi-restricted federal facilities such as military bases.[5] On January 8, 2016, DHS issued an implementation schedule for Phase 4, stating that starting January 22, 2018 "passengers with a driver's license issued by a state that is still not compliant with the REAL ID Act (and has not been granted an extension) will need to show an alternative form of acceptable identification for domestic air travel to board their flight". Starting October 1, 2020 "every air traveler will need a REAL ID-compliant license, or another acceptable form of identification, for domestic air travel."[6] As of April 2019, 43 states and territories have been certified as compliant, and 13 have been granted extensions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_ID_Act


Lots more details in the Wikipedia article as well as links for even more.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #31)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:29 PM

32. Indeed, & made further complicated by the fact some states issue DL's that aren't compliant

With the REAL ID act, labeled "not for Federal ID" ... even though the STATE is considered 'compliant' ... because they do issue SOME DL's based on full compliance.

I have just such a DL myself attained some 10 yrs back by virtue I showed up at the MVD with a license from another state, no other questions asked. Now at some point in the near future I have to jump through some hoops to provide a Birth Certificate to get it upgraded to a REAL ID, presumably by Oct. 2020 (if I want to be able to fly) but I'm not entirely sure.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #32)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:20 PM

34. When I heard I'd have to have the various proofs for ID

I got my Mom to order a new birth certificate from my home town (the county seat). I went in with the original certificate from the hospital (with my baby tootsie prints), the birth certificate my parents were given by the county, and the new one. The driver's license bureau was only interested in the new one.

Since I never changed my name after getting married, that simplified things. But the 20 something clerk did not recognize the style of my original Social Security card - the only one I have ever had, issued when I was a kid. She nearly turned me away until an older clerk made her look at the poster on the wall with every style of SS card that included mine. In fact I still have the original paperwork with the space where that card was removed from the card - and another copy of the same style SS card still attached.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:56 AM

6. It is confusing.

This is why it is good to share info from those who have already been there.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:17 AM

13. I just renewed my DL.

Given we replaced one dipshit rethug, Mary Fallin, with another POS, Stilt...well, we're all fucked.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:55 AM

19. We have the same issue here with our congressperson

New York may be a "blue state," but upstate leans Republican.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 03:57 AM

21. So I need to renew my license

I can get a standard ID/DL at any notary.

For a REAL ID I have to go to the DMV...

Guess I now have to use my passport to fly domestic...

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Response to Sgent (Reply #21)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 04:30 AM

22. I had to renew my license by my March birthday

this year. I had an option to renew on line for a license that wouldn't be valid for flying or go to the DMV with all the documents needed to get the valid for federal ID license.

I already have a passport good until 2026 so I decided to skip the lines at the DMV and renew my license on line.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 05:19 AM

23. Here is NY's requirements for standard and the enhanced license

Right now anything before Oct 2017 will not be compliant. It was pretty straight forward once I gathered up the items. I now see they are asking for people to make a reservation to come in.

They have a questionnaire that walks you through each step to make sure you end up bringing the right documents. I used a bank statement, the annual Social Security benefit form, current Passport, I bought a utility bill also. I paid extra for the enhanced


[link:https://dmv.ny.gov/driver-license/federal-real-id|]


[link:https://dmv.ny.gov/which-id-right-me|]

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 08:38 AM

24. My wife and I renewed our expired passports last year,

just for that reason. With Trump in the White House, it's always possible that he will punish states that didn't vote for him with some sort of penalty against residents.

In these times, having a valid passport seems like a good idea, for a number of reasons. Trouble is, it cost's about $100.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 08:53 AM

25. Current Status of States / Territories

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #25)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:32 PM

33. Note that just because your state is considered 'Compliant' doesn't mean that YOU must therefore

have a compliant ID, just because you have one issued by that state.

Even compliant states issue non-compliant DL/ID's, IOW. Not all but some. Arizona definitely does.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 08:57 AM

26. We happened to be at the courthouse for another record,

and she mentioned the Real ID thing was coming. As my driver's license will be renewed before the deadline, no worries. But we did then pick up new copies of our birth certificates for when we go to get our new licenses. Apparently old copies won't do anymore. It has to be on special paper with a border, etc. Looks like a death certificate, if you've ever seen one.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:09 AM

27. This will solve all the problems we're having at our airports right now

like ... ah ... why are we wasting time on this? Seriously, they've made flying such an unpleasant experience already.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:11 AM

28. Get a passport

Itís easier, and it doesnít cost too much

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #28)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:27 PM

35. Passports most certainly are expensive for most people.

Not everyone has that kind of money.

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Response to llmart (Reply #35)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 04:06 PM

36. Then most people can't afford to fly

A passport costs less than almost all one-way trips on airplanes. About the only cheaper flight is from Oakland to LasVegas or Reno.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #36)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 04:45 PM

39. Your logic makes no sense.

I live near the Canadian border so I use my passport to cross. I haven't flown in years. I can afford a passport but many people can't or at the very least it would put a bit of a bite in their budget.

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Response to llmart (Reply #35)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 06:47 PM

41. A passport is not that expensive. If you can afford to fly or take a long train trip,

or go on a cruise, you can easily afford a passport. The thing that I found when I first got a passport is you need to plan ahead because they can take around 2-3 months.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:17 AM

29. I got a passport card

I was renewing my passport a couple of years ago and they offered a passport card along with it for something nominal ($30?). I got it because I travel a bit and it comes in handy. So now I have two forms of acceptable ID. Kinda handy if I ever misplace one on a trip. You can get JUST the card for $65, which isn't cheap, but an option for those that can afford it. And actually then you can use it with the state if they ever question your citizenship status too. It's easier than a birth certificate.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:04 AM

30. So how is it that the vast majority of states could get it right?

and California and a few others failed to do so? Appears that this will cause a real inconvenience to their residents. Has anyone accepted responsibility?

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Response to MichMan (Reply #30)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 04:09 PM

37. I was just at the DMV

My wallet was stolen, and I had to get a replacement driver's license. You have to wait two months for an appointment, so you're only other alternative is walk-in. I was there before they opened at 7:00 am, and there was already a line of about 20 people.

The folks inside seemed to have things well organized so people could get through as quickly as possible, but it was still a zoo.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 04:17 PM

38. This is their long term plan for everyone on the planet - a biometric ID card

IDB offered lots of money and the government pushed it through.
Last Friday, our Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional, null and void.
Lots of courts across the globe are screaming invasion of privacy.
Remember they usually test this shit on the rest of us before forcing it on Americans.
Here is the complete judgement.

http://supremecourt.gov.jm/sites/default/files/judgments/Robinson%2C%20Julian%20v%20The%20Attorney%20General%20of%20Jamaica.pdf

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 04:58 PM

40. In NC there are two types of driver's license.

 

One with a white star inside a gold circle and one that says "not for federal identification". I get the latter one since you can get it over the internet. Some people don't understand what they can do with the former. They think that is all they need to get on a military based and I can't get on one. I have to explain that the former will not get them on base, whereas I can get on base with my DoD ID. If you are going to fly, it is best to get the former one.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 06:54 PM

42. Thank the bush administration...this was attached to funding for the Iraq War. n/t

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 08:04 PM

43. I can't understand the resistance short of conspiracy ideas.

It can easily venture into the sovereign state crapola and in the right wing orbit it does.

I will be the first to agree than much of the TSA stuff is overkill. But I have no problem feeling secure that people on a plane with me are who they say they are.

We often lament the fact on DU that so few Americans have passports. Well, a passport is a type of national ID because the federal government has your info. With the update DL the states have to guarantee certain info is verified but the feds donít automatically get that info. Not that it would really matter. I always thought the fear of Ďgovímentí was not a liberal trait. Hell, every one here wants some type of Universal Healthcare.







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