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Can anyone explain to me (Original Post) SHRED Apr 2019 OP
Guessing obvs, Barr halted the work. mahina Apr 2019 #1
I fear we'll never know if this is true SHRED Apr 2019 #2
I think it was addressed in M's report. Basically trump kids were too stupid to know it was wrong. Hoyt Apr 2019 #3
So future campaigns have a green light then SHRED Apr 2019 #4
Probably not, because they would presumably know it's wrong. Hoyt Apr 2019 #5
Junior said "I'd love it" SHRED Apr 2019 #7
It's too late now. I doubt a jury would convict when you having Mueller and/or Barr saying Hoyt Apr 2019 #11
Yes, I didn't know it was illegal is the go forward line for all candidates to say when they involve uponit7771 Apr 2019 #12
Yep SHRED Apr 2019 #17
But smart enough to know they should lie about it. Manafort's a septuagenarian "kid" lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #8
Right, this line of questions would be the first thing I'd ask Mueller uponit7771 Apr 2019 #13
Exactly! SHRED Apr 2019 #14
Or possibly they are some of the prosecutions that are unidentified. mahina Apr 2019 #6
Here's my take: ScratchCat Apr 2019 #9
That's not what Mueller said is it? SHRED Apr 2019 #10
No, Mueller said Don Jr didn't know and there was nothing of value in Clinton dirt .... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #18
"I love it" isn't a tacit agreement !?!? and "dirt on Hillary" isn't invaluable to a campagin agains uponit7771 Apr 2019 #16
The notion that the dirt on Hillary was of no value isn't a good reason SHRED Apr 2019 #21
+1, which makes me think this wasn't wholley Mueller's opionion here uponit7771 Apr 2019 #22
The report states ScratchCat Apr 2019 #15
Campaign finance, Mueller said "dirt" on Clinton wasn't provable to be of value uponit7771 Apr 2019 #19
Intent SHRED Apr 2019 #20
+1, Intent in campaign finance isn't the first element its knowledge its an offence which is fucking uponit7771 Apr 2019 #23
Try that defense in traffic court some time. lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #24
 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
2. I fear we'll never know if this is true
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:45 AM
Apr 2019

Mueller won't "rock the boat" and volunteer this info.

We must get him under oath in a public hearing and ask these questions.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. I think it was addressed in M's report. Basically trump kids were too stupid to know it was wrong.
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:45 AM
Apr 2019

I think they lost interest in that meeting when it was discovered the previously unidentified calls after the meeting were not to trump.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
4. So future campaigns have a green light then
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:46 AM
Apr 2019

To seek aid from hostile foreign powers.

Got it.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
7. Junior said "I'd love it"
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:50 AM
Apr 2019

He knew.

I'm not buying the "stupid" defense.
And don't you find it odd that a prosecutor offers a defense?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
11. It's too late now. I doubt a jury would convict when you having Mueller and/or Barr saying
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:01 AM
Apr 2019

they didn't have the intent to break the law.

I agree those smirking trump kids and Kushner should have been prosecuted, at least for selling out our country's interest for their personal gain.

Unfortunately, too many ignorant white wingers don't care how trump the Racist-in-Chief got elected. Until a significant portion turn against trump, successful Impeachment (with conviction) -- or even indictments against kids -- are unlikely.

uponit7771

(90,336 posts)
12. Yes, I didn't know it was illegal is the go forward line for all candidates to say when they involve
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:01 AM
Apr 2019

... other nation groups into America's elections.

What's bad is Mueller didn't interview them, how did he know !?!??!

This would be the first question I'd ask Mueller when he gets in front of house

ScratchCat

(1,989 posts)
9. Here's my take:
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:59 AM
Apr 2019

Could charges for conspiracy or campaign finance violations be brought? Yes.

Would it be prudent to do so when the Statute for conspiracy requires a tacit agreement and when the campaign finance law requires the receipt of "something of value" when this is very difficult to prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt? That is the crux.

And what I believe may have happened is that in this one single area, Mueller decided it would look "too political" and the chances of a conviction were nill, so he didn't go there. Its also possible that some of the data destroyed prevented them from having solid evidence.

uponit7771

(90,336 posts)
18. No, Mueller said Don Jr didn't know and there was nothing of value in Clinton dirt ....
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:06 AM
Apr 2019

... which I 100% disagree with.

Not only that there was the "attempted campaign finance" violations, I don't know why that was not in the report.

uponit7771

(90,336 posts)
16. "I love it" isn't a tacit agreement !?!? and "dirt on Hillary" isn't invaluable to a campagin agains
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:05 AM
Apr 2019

... Hillary?

There's also the "attempt" here ... if they thought it was of value, and Don Jr DID... then there are elements of attempted campaign finance violations.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
21. The notion that the dirt on Hillary was of no value isn't a good reason
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:20 AM
Apr 2019

If that's the case than we cannot prosecute obstructing of justice unless there is an underlying crime. This is what Barr believes.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
20. Intent
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:17 AM
Apr 2019

What about intent?

Also, sting operations use props many times. They have no "provable value" either.

uponit7771

(90,336 posts)
23. +1, Intent in campaign finance isn't the first element its knowledge its an offence which is fucking
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:51 AM
Apr 2019

... crazy !!!

Then it goes into intent and something of value.

Like you said, all someone has to do now is say "I didn't know that was illegal and you have no proof I knew" and that persons colluding with another country is legal.

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