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Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:31 PM

 

Has Everyone Thought This Imeachment Call Through?

Let's say that Trump is impeached. And let's say, miracle of miracles, we can get to 67 votes in the Senate for conviction.

There is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits Trump from running in 2020 even after removal. Trump has a 90% approval rating among Republicans. Pence is a poodle and would probably consent to running again on the Trump ticket. There is no way he is not nominated.

All we need to do is concentrate on 2020 and vote him out. Empower the voters to be the final word. Put our faith in the General Election.

Let's keep our eye on the ball. Nancy Pelosi only wants one thing, a 2020 Democratic victory at every level. She's not trying to position herself in a primary lane to get the Presidential nomination, like Warren is. Listen to wisdom, not emotion.

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Reply Has Everyone Thought This Imeachment Call Through? (Original post)
louis c Apr 2019 OP
manor321 Apr 2019 #1
pnwmom Apr 2019 #47
PeeJ52 Apr 2019 #2
Chin music Apr 2019 #3
manor321 Apr 2019 #4
louis c Apr 2019 #13
uponit7771 Apr 2019 #21
louis c Apr 2019 #27
uponit7771 Apr 2019 #28
TwilightZone Apr 2019 #58
uponit7771 Apr 2019 #61
Irishxs Apr 2019 #5
maxsolomon Apr 2019 #14
uponit7771 Apr 2019 #22
msongs Apr 2019 #6
PeeJ52 Apr 2019 #12
louis c Apr 2019 #15
PeeJ52 Apr 2019 #20
uponit7771 Apr 2019 #24
BeyondGeography Apr 2019 #19
lame54 Apr 2019 #52
rainin Apr 2019 #7
flor-de-jasmim Apr 2019 #8
louis c Apr 2019 #16
rufus dog Apr 2019 #23
louis c Apr 2019 #25
uponit7771 Apr 2019 #30
rufus dog Apr 2019 #32
louis c Apr 2019 #40
lame54 Apr 2019 #55
louis c Apr 2019 #66
uponit7771 Apr 2019 #26
TwilightZone Apr 2019 #9
JuJuYoshida Apr 2019 #10
J_William_Ryan Apr 2019 #11
maxsolomon Apr 2019 #18
Solomon Apr 2019 #34
Raven123 Apr 2019 #17
PeeJ52 Apr 2019 #29
LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #31
larwdem Apr 2019 #33
louis c Apr 2019 #37
Fullduplexxx Apr 2019 #35
louis c Apr 2019 #36
Fullduplexxx Apr 2019 #38
uponit7771 Apr 2019 #62
treestar Apr 2019 #39
sarabelle Apr 2019 #41
qdouble Apr 2019 #42
ecstatic Apr 2019 #43
meadowlander Apr 2019 #44
Liberal In Texas Apr 2019 #45
GulfCoast66 Apr 2019 #49
watoos Apr 2019 #51
GulfCoast66 Apr 2019 #56
uponit7771 Apr 2019 #63
Ahpook Apr 2019 #46
uponit7771 Apr 2019 #64
ooky Apr 2019 #48
GulfCoast66 Apr 2019 #50
ooky Apr 2019 #54
uponit7771 Apr 2019 #65
watoos Apr 2019 #53
OliverQ Apr 2019 #57
Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #59
pecosbob Apr 2019 #60

Response to louis c (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:32 PM

1. Impeachment can be done so that holding future office is impossible.

 

Impeachment is required.


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Response to manor321 (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:16 PM

47. How, exactly? n/t

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:33 PM

2. Google Elizabeth Warren eom

 

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:34 PM

3. I thought it through about Feb. 2016.

And pretty much everyday ever since. Personally.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:34 PM

4. Please learn the facts

 

...and judgments are limited to no more than removal from office and disqualification to hold future office.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-2/section-4/impeachment

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Response to manor321 (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:43 PM

13. I stand corrected...

 

...now explain to me who becomes president if Trump's impeached, is it Clinton?

Oh, it's Pence. What a fucking gain that is for us.

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Response to louis c (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:47 PM

21. Pence is better than Putin's whore currently in office.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #21)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:51 PM

27. 67 Senators.

 

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Response to louis c (Reply #27)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:52 PM

28. already debunked

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #28)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:29 PM

58. No, 67 Senators is reality.

If you don't even know the basic facts about impeachment, perhaps you should refrain from posting about it.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #58)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 04:50 AM

61. Effects of 67 senators on votes have been debunked ...

... don't get snippy, just state facts

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:35 PM

5. Fix it at the ballot box.

I stand by Nancyís view-This is better served at the ballot box.

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Response to Irishxs (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:43 PM

14. That's what she says her view is, RIGHT NOW

But I don't see her stopping her committee chairs from pursuing investigations that could lead to Impeachment.

Do you? Her tamping-down-of-expectations is TACTICAL.

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Response to Irishxs (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:48 PM

22. Nancy isn't standing by that any longer, Nancy is now saying one step at a time

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:36 PM

6. lots of knee-jerk calls for it, even before the latest evidence is digested. impeachment is not

"I don't like him so impeach". there have to be specific charges (though not necessarily criminal)
because the senate will conduct a trial on those charges only

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Response to msongs (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:42 PM

12. He willingly accepted assistance from a foreign adversary and did not report it. He then obstructed

 

an investigation into that assistance. Elizabeth Warren laid it out best. It's much worse than Watergate.

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Response to PeeJ52 (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:43 PM

15. 67 Senators.

 

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Response to louis c (Reply #15)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:46 PM

20. If they don't agree he did this with the proof in the Mueller report and hearing testimony with

 

their own ears, good luck with your republic.

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Response to louis c (Reply #15)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:50 PM

24. Which means nothing at best

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Response to msongs (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:46 PM

19. 12 attempts to obstruct and 140 contacts with Russia and WikiLeaks

Itís in the Mueller Report. Knee-jerk my eye.

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Response to msongs (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:13 PM

52. We waited 2 years for the report...

That is basically a roadmap to impeachment

Nothing knee-jerk about this

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:36 PM

7. Winning through fraud should not be upheld.

He does not deserve to be a "Former President" with all that entails. He is a fraud and a cheat. He should be in jail. Impeachment says the Democrats believe in rule of law. If we do nothing, we deserve to be called spineless. And I'm tired of the accusation that dems are weak.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:36 PM

8. If there were a way to safeguard the elections, stop gerrymandering, keep the Russians out, and

somehow guarantee that Trump would not win, perhaps an argument could be made to just let the election run its course. But even so, it would send a message that if a system is corrupt enough, it is tolerated because "elections are coming, after all". It is up to the House to make the point that the situation is intolerable. The rest are just various remedies post-facto.

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Response to flor-de-jasmim (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:44 PM

16. 67 Senators.

 

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Response to louis c (Reply #16)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:48 PM

23. Why does Rice play Texas?

google that

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Response to rufus dog (Reply #23)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:50 PM

25. I like to win elections...

 

...and not tilt at windmills. I'm funny like that.

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Response to louis c (Reply #25)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:52 PM

30. and so do the Russians, you think they're just going to sit this one out?

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Response to louis c (Reply #25)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:54 PM

32. and this is how you win

Dems get the wimp label because of things like this. Repukes including tRump will taunt them for not impeaching. Joe six pack likes the tough guy, you want to win Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania? Impeach the asshole.

Knock the bully down, stomp on his chest and don't apologize.

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Response to rufus dog (Reply #32)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 08:55 PM

40. did you watch the mid-terms?

 

the only talk of impeachment was from the Republicans. they want to know if the Dems are stupid enough to take the bait.

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Response to louis c (Reply #40)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:16 PM

55. Now we're stupid...

For seeing an opening(which we did not have at the midterms) that the MR has given us

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Response to lame54 (Reply #55)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 06:48 AM

66. I'd rather win an election...

 

...then try to prove a point.

Let's play this out. I'm for hearings. We don't have to call them impeachment hearings. That get's all the information out to the public. We are already in election season. We completely discredit Republicans, but we don't have to rely on a single Repuke vote to carry out our plan.

The other way is we impeach with a bare majority in the House. There is a Senate trial, well into election season. We need 20 Repuke Senators to remove Trump from office. It's like saying, "we know better. We can't leave this up to the people's vote". We maybe get 5 Republicans and fall 15 votes short of conviction in the Senate. Trump heads into the General Election with a major victory and we have made Trump a sympathetic figure.

Plan 1 has no risk. The info comes out, we continue to talk about kitchen table issues. We don't put our candidates in a problem position.

Naturally, we are all anonymous here, so I don't know anything about you. However, I'm going to guess that Nancy Pelosi is far more politically savvy than you are. So, please don't be offended if I take her advice over yours.

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Response to flor-de-jasmim (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:51 PM

26. +1, there's no logical sense in doing the same thing and expecting different results

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:38 PM

9. He could be prevented from holding future office in the judgment.

That would more than likely be part of the deal were he removed.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:39 PM

10. Isn't he going to jail after his term is over/becomes a civilian?

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:40 PM

11. Agreed.

Removing Trump through the impeachment process in no manner benefits the Nation Ė Pence is as bad as Trump, if not worse.

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Response to J_William_Ryan (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:45 PM

18. Again with this lame rationale

I'll take a mortally-wounded Pence over Raging Asshole any day of the week.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #18)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:58 PM

34. I'm so sick of this hearing this stupid excuse...

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:44 PM

17. While I don't disagree with those who believe Trump's criminal, behavior warrants impeachment

I simply donít think it deserves a lot of space in any presidential candidateís campaign. I hope the MSM stops asking every bleeping candidate whether they think Trump should be impeached. I agree with Pelosi. Talk about that which will improve American lives. Take the Mueller investigation, and I do agree with pushing for the unredacted version, and use it to propose changes to minimize foreign campaign interference, tighten up those laws that Mueller felt limited his ability to conduct a proper investigation of the President, and by all means speak out in favor of abolishing the Electoral College. There are many positive moves Dems can make for 2020 and beyond.

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Response to Raven123 (Reply #17)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:52 PM

29. What limited Mueller was destruction of evidence. Burner phones, whatsapp. Things like that...

 

They knew what they were doing. They made sure they couldn't be traced when it got heavy.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:52 PM

31. IMPEACH HIM!!!!

As for conviction, blame it on the Republican Senate for REFUSING to hold accountable a Criminal So-Called President. Run on that for the 2020 election and win.

Hiding in the corner makes us look like cowards. Afraid to hold a Criminal President, accountable for actions against our Democracy and Nation.

IMPEACH HIM!!!

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:56 PM

33. Yes

It's the houses duty to impeach and we will lose voters if they don't.

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Response to larwdem (Reply #33)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:34 PM

37. If Democratic voters don't vote in 2020 or vote for Trump...

 

...because the House doesn't impeach, we deserve the government we get for being that stupid.

Everyone hears it every election. If this candidate or that candidate wins, I'm leaving this country.

Well, I really do have a house (on 25 acres) that my wife and I built in another country (Philippines. I know, Dutarte's not much better. However, their president serves a single, 6 year term and can't succeed himself, and he'll be out in 2020). We have no children or grandchildren, so leaving is real easy.

If Democrats don't give a fuck who's president, I surely care less. I will vote for the Democrat, but I have an escape plan.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:13 PM

35. Why must removal from office be the deciding factor on whether to impeach or not

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #35)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:28 PM

36. Because I don't want to lose the 2020 election to Trump

 

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Response to louis c (Reply #36)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:42 PM

38. That shouldnt be a deterrent either besides there's nothing saying we will

Lose to trump in 2020 . And what if trump wins because he wasn't impeached and therefore feels emboldened

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Response to louis c (Reply #36)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 04:52 AM

62. Niether does Russia

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:48 PM

39. Another hole in the system!

Yes, I don't think of anything off the top of my head that disqualifies an impeached POTUS. So long as he did not have two terms. Now you'd think re-election of such a person would be impossible. But everything seems to work for the Dotard.

On reading: it does disqualify him! Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster!

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:02 PM

41. Impeach him and let the chips fall where they may. Mueller gave us the road map.

 

What can it hurt? Trump already has a solid 90% GOP in his corner. Impeach him and let it be part of his legacy. "So let it be done. So let it be written."

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:54 PM

42. You're basically saying that the president is above the law

Stop worrying about 2020, there is nothing saying that if we don't impeach trump we will be more likely to win. Do what is right and impeach him for his crimes.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:55 PM

43. Ridiculous! nt

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:58 PM

44. The only reason he isn't currently indicted for half a dozen felonies

is because he is in office. The second he is out of office, he can be prosecuted.

And he's not going to win a campaign (even if he ran), while he is in the middle of standing trial for campaign finance violations, bribery and bank fraud.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:09 PM

45. Impeach! It'll keep them busy for a good long time on defense. It might keep you know who from

putting out more crazy executive orders and other things the repubs do to turn us into another pre-war Germany, a theocracy or an oligraphy.

At least start with investigations. Bring out the crimes to the light of day.



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Response to Liberal In Texas (Reply #45)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:34 PM

49. It will also keep Democrats tied up.

And suck all other oxygen from the room.

You know, the things like healthcare that won us the house last year.

Keep investigating and bringing out new shit.

But that just canít be what we do from now to the election. We have to make this election about policy. If we do, we win.

If it is about Trump, I am not sure. Nancy clamped down in Impeachment talk last fall, focused like a laser on policy, and we won the house.

This, in my opinion is the ticket to getting rid of Trump.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #49)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:07 PM

51. None of our candidates talks more about policy than Elizabeth Warren,

 

Next question.

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Response to watoos (Reply #51)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:17 PM

56. I disagree. They all talk policy.

Next question.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #49)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 04:53 AM

63. Dems can walk and chew gum at the same time

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:11 PM

46. We are in a catch

Can we trust our elections to not select this blight, again?

Every angle is sewed up!

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Response to Ahpook (Reply #46)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 04:54 AM

64. +1, what are the chances Russia wont back thier guy again?

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:26 PM

48. The report is so damning I'm not sure that impeachment will be avoidable.

I've been on the side of being careful not to be seen as reacting in a partisan way that mobilizes the right at the ballot box. But I'm guessing that when Pelosi has seen enough of the less redacted report and ensuing investigations that she'll reach the conclusion that this president has behaved so badly that she has no choice but to impeach him.

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Response to ooky (Reply #48)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:38 PM

50. If it gets that bad I still say don't impeach.

Sure he deserves it, but we have to think practically. If the country hates him that bad they will also hate the Republicans and we have a chance to win a landslide election. If we impeach, and we will not get conviction, it just continues Partisan back-and-forth.

Thatís just my opinion, sincere people may disagree.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #50)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:16 PM

54. Right now we don't have to do anything except what we are doing.

Continue our investigations and use that time to try to test which way the political winds will start blowing. At this point its not exactly obvious how impeachment would impact the election. Maybe it will become more clear in time. Not doing what he absolutely deserves could also cost us in the election. The pressure to do our constitutional duty regardless of election implications just may be too great to ignore in the end.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #50)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 04:56 AM

65. I don't trust Red Don nor Russia enough to take that chance

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:15 PM

53. First of all,

 

if we don't impeach, Barr is not going to turn over the grand jury testimony, take that prediction to the bank. The grand jury testimony is where all of the juicy information is. The only way we see the grand jury testimony is to impeach. Barr already said that Nadler's subpoena was premature. Barr is stalling until it gets close to the election.

Secondly, Barr and trump are not going to sit back and play defense. Barr said it, he is going to investigate the FBI and "Democrats" who led a witch hunt against Donald Trump. Want to know what he means by "Democrats?" He is going to investigate Hillary Clinton again and put her on the ballot in 2020.

Doing nothing is risking that Democrats look weak and suppresses our turnout.

Drastic times call for drastic measures.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:27 PM

57. This is incorrect. Removal from office through Impeachment prohibits ever running for office again.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 01:33 AM

59. agree completely! stop with the armchair thing..trust Pelosi and crew that they have this one

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 02:15 AM

60. I think messy public hearings is what we need

to bring non-voters to the polls. A public spectacle on the floor with Michael Cohen would do much to wedge loose many borderline Trump voters IMO. We've sat here and taken it in the kiester from Republicans' criminal behavior from Reagan to Bush to Bush Jr. and now from Trump. Let the candidates hold fast to their PR strategies and refuse to let the MSM dictate the topic and keep the campaigns focused on Dems plans for the future.

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