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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump Jr "didn't know what he was doing was illegal" so not held accountable.
Life is not fair. The cocky Jr is so nauseating.
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Replying to @PrplMnkyCupcake @NoyzeSmythe
The rich live by a different set of rules!
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Champthinks
? @Champthinks2
21h21 hours ago
Replying to @PrplMnkyCupcake @gailbriggs8
Fact ..ignorance of the law is not a defense
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Andrea Holsomback
? @AndreaHolsomba2
20h20 hours ago
Apparently it is when your rich and white
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Laura Greathouse
? @WVQuincyGee
5h5 hours ago
Replying to @PrplMnkyCupcake
If he didnt know it was illegal he wouldnt have tried to cover it up.
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)madaboutharry
(40,211 posts)That is an Ivy League university. Granted he didnt deserve to go there, but he did manage to pass.
Butterflylady
(3,543 posts)Should get back the money he paid for Jr's tuition.
dchill
(38,492 posts)Ignorance of the law is no excuse! I have heard this all my life! My life is not a lie!
Hopefully, Mueller knows what's really coming for Trump jr., and wants him just hanging out and feeling free and special when the load dumps on him.
Even then, ignorance of the law is no excuse. This stinks.
Ms. Toad
(34,072 posts)In homicide, for example, the mens rea is purposefully (causing the death of another). Nothing in that mens rearequires knowing that causing the death of another is illegal - so ignorance of the law is no excuse.
As to the law Junior might have been charged with violating, the mens req was willlfully, with knowledge that the behavior was illegal. If you don't know the law, you can't act willfully, knowing that what you are doing is illegal, if you are unaware that it is illegal.
Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)Consciencness of guilt.
Ms. Toad
(34,072 posts)People feel guilty about plenty of things that aren't illegal.
And lying can also mean trying to hide things from political opponents. Also not inherently illegal.
JudyM
(29,246 posts)He had to have known that that would be damned close to the line. But I suppose tRumps are taught to do whatever you want and let the lawyers clean up the mess afterward.
Ms. Toad
(34,072 posts)That's not a part of the mens rea. (I'm not aware of any mens rea that would require checking with a lawyer.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)Siwsan
(26,262 posts)Seems to apply to us common folk.
eppur_se_muova
(36,262 posts)Laws passed in midnight sessions and enforced without announcement are a favorite tool of Fascists/Republicans.
Siwsan
(26,262 posts)What the trump* Klan did is something anyone with any amount of patriotism, not to mention common sense, would have realized was wrong, morally, ethically and legally.
eppur_se_muova
(36,262 posts)Siwsan
(26,262 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)Siwsan
(26,262 posts)I have no doubt they knew it was. Not a shred of doubt. Not an iota. Not even a scintilla or nano particle.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)paleotn
(17,913 posts)He's certainly the poster boy for that!
dlk
(11,566 posts)It appears the rules are being rewritten to Trump & Co.s benefit.
Ms. Toad
(34,072 posts)where the required mental state includes knowing that what you are doing is illegal.
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,072 posts)Knowledge of the illegality of the act is more likely to be part of the mens rea in a crimes that are bad acts because we've defined them to be bad acts (mala prohibita - most white collar crimes, but also prostitution, drug use, driving without a license), than in crimes that are inherently wrong (mala in se - like homicide, rape, theft).
Paladin
(28,257 posts)Nevermypresident
(781 posts)subpoened. I won't be so naive again.
triron
(22,003 posts)To Rachel.
Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)His dopey daddy has been getting away with things the same way, since the '60's.
Dr Vegas
(456 posts)AllaN01Bear
(18,213 posts)Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,733 posts)they had no intention of following any norms, established rules of conduct, anything. Orange Julius set the tone, and the family had already been indoctrinated through decades of screwing anybody they could. I call BS on any of them using the "I didn't know." It has been a blatant disregard for all Rule of Law. They need to be prosecuted and 45 needs to be Impeached.
NotHardly
(1,062 posts)stillcool
(32,626 posts)brush
(53,778 posts)perp walked. Mueller gave him a tremendous break.
Turbineguy
(37,329 posts)of the guy doing 100 mph on Hwy 101.