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Does it bother anyone else that billionaires quickly line up to repair Notre Dame Cathedral (Original Post) RandySF Apr 2019 OP
No Loki Liesmith Apr 2019 #1
Yes. It crossed my mind. Freethinker65 Apr 2019 #2
No, but I wish they'd give more to other causes as well. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #3
No, betterr they use it to rebuild Notre Dame than to fund a right-winger movement. SharonClark Apr 2019 #4
Pretty much everything pisses me off, so. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #5
You could NEVER........... MyOwnPeace Apr 2019 #29
Oh it's all about status. Initech Apr 2019 #6
I kind of heard that they had a backlash from this (raised already over $600 million, etc. per... SWBTATTReg Apr 2019 #7
No. The re-build will create jobs MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #8
Some could have spent some money rebuildingthe three southern churches ... IggleDuer Apr 2019 #9
The fundraiser for those churches has reached $1.9 million, which will go a long way The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #15
Nope lame54 Apr 2019 #10
No edhopper Apr 2019 #11
Better that than buying politicians. hunter Apr 2019 #12
How do you suppose things like that got built in the first place jberryhill Apr 2019 #13
I wish they could get as excited about the disappearing coral reefs. jalan48 Apr 2019 #14
French citizens can't vote for Jay Inslee DFW Apr 2019 #17
I think the money to rebuild ND is coming from all over the world. jalan48 Apr 2019 #18
Like Notre Dame, instead of solving a problem before it passed critical mass Blue_true Apr 2019 #20
coral reefs intelpug Apr 2019 #45
We live in an age of me-tooism and celebrity worship. Blue_true Apr 2019 #16
But, of course jberryhill Apr 2019 #19
Yes and that is part of the problem. Blue_true Apr 2019 #21
No, the money is needed and would otherwise have to come from district governments ucrdem Apr 2019 #22
Welcome to the yellow vest movement Arazi Apr 2019 #23
No. tavernier Apr 2019 #24
Yes ck4829 Apr 2019 #25
They're buying their stairways to heaven the easy way. crosinski Apr 2019 #26
"All Things Must Pass" George Harrison Siwsan Apr 2019 #28
I just posted something similar Siwsan Apr 2019 #27
I'd bet that some of any surplus would go into a Trust Totally Tunsie Apr 2019 #44
Seems like the system is rigged everywhere. Where can I sell my soul? YOHABLO Apr 2019 #30
If they each give $50 million ... Igel Apr 2019 #31
It sure bothered the protesters in France today malaise Apr 2019 #32
I have ENOUGH of these yellow vest scumbags thanks. nt UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #39
Not in particular. It all depends on what they want in return or defacto7 Apr 2019 #33
Glad to see them put their money to good use. johnp3907 Apr 2019 #34
No Hangingon Apr 2019 #35
Nope. Tipperary Apr 2019 #36
It's always been that way lunatica Apr 2019 #37
No and this is the latest excuse those yellow vest assholes are using to riot. nt UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #38
Only because no matter how accurate the re-creation is, the historic significance is lost forever. WillowTree Apr 2019 #40
No, I'm grateful they are willing to give it away... VarryOn Apr 2019 #41
Don't see many lining up to help the National Cathedral in WashDC...it needs help too EX500rider Apr 2019 #42
National cathedral intelpug Apr 2019 #47
It's not like a lot is not given to charities: EX500rider Apr 2019 #43
the problem is that the ultra rich are allowed to accumulate that much wealth to begin with Takket Apr 2019 #46
Spending a billion dollars on restoration fescuerescue Apr 2019 #48
No, not in the least ... Raine Apr 2019 #49
No. Tax them appropriately; otherwise it is their money. They could be buying another yacht ... Hekate Apr 2019 #50
It is their... Snackshack Apr 2019 #51
No, it does not. Crabby Appleton Apr 2019 #52
It bothers me when people ask them for charity for public Hortensis Apr 2019 #53
nope eShirl Apr 2019 #54

Freethinker65

(10,021 posts)
2. Yes. It crossed my mind.
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 04:37 PM
Apr 2019

Amazing that this disposable income is seldom available to help people in need.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
3. No, but I wish they'd give more to other causes as well.
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 04:46 PM
Apr 2019

I do want Notre Dame to be rebuilt and it will require a lot of money.

Initech

(100,075 posts)
6. Oh it's all about status.
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 04:51 PM
Apr 2019

Helping the poor doesn't get you that. Donating millions to a historical landmark, museum, universit, or hospital wing? That's gold yo!!

SWBTATTReg

(22,124 posts)
7. I kind of heard that they had a backlash from this (raised already over $600 million, etc. per...
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 04:53 PM
Apr 2019

yesterday's news clips). Something too about taxable and/or non taxable contributions (I didn't catch the entire clip.

MaryMagdaline

(6,854 posts)
8. No. The re-build will create jobs
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 04:54 PM
Apr 2019

Rich people will never give their money to poor people willingly. At least this public works project will do some good. I’m not convinced, too, that poor French people don’t care about a symbol of their national heritage or that they don’t welcome these contributions from billionaires.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
15. The fundraiser for those churches has reached $1.9 million, which will go a long way
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 05:25 PM
Apr 2019

to rebuild those three small churches vs. one enormous one.

edhopper

(33,579 posts)
11. No
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 05:00 PM
Apr 2019

those billionaires were from Paris fashion houses. It was good for business.

And they were giving to help their city.

hunter

(38,312 posts)
12. Better that than buying politicians.
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 05:05 PM
Apr 2019

The process is historically accurate too. The wealthy and powerful have always funded these things.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
13. How do you suppose things like that got built in the first place
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 05:15 PM
Apr 2019

Is there more, or less, economic equality than, say, 1118?

Rich people funded its construction in the first place.

DFW

(54,379 posts)
17. French citizens can't vote for Jay Inslee
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 05:33 PM
Apr 2019

And except for their “outremer” territories like Martinique and Guadeloupe, there are no continental parts of France with coral reefs.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
20. Like Notre Dame, instead of solving a problem before it passed critical mass
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 05:45 PM
Apr 2019

(tinderbox timbers waiting for a spark), the rich, most politicians and the clueless will wait until the oceans are largely dead to freak out. Afterall, until recently, humans viewed the oceans as dumping grounds for garbage.

intelpug

(88 posts)
45. coral reefs
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 12:20 AM
Apr 2019

How do you know these particular people have not donated to other causes and it simply didn't make national news?

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
16. We live in an age of me-tooism and celebrity worship.
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 05:32 PM
Apr 2019

An ancient church has celebrity status as much as it has religious and cultural significance. A family going hungry for parts of a month or having no place to live are unknowns. As sad as that sounds it is true. People and their money are drawn to celebrity in this age and I argue, past ages too.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
19. But, of course
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 05:45 PM
Apr 2019

Wealthy people who funded the original construction of things like this are usually memorialized in the art adorning the structure itself.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
21. Yes and that is part of the problem.
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 05:52 PM
Apr 2019

A person annomously dropping $200,000 to help feed homeless people for several months won't get noticed, so instead of that, they go to Walmart and payoff layaway items for the people that had laid away.

But, we bring that upon ourselves because we worship the public givers and make no effort to acknowledge those that give quietly and without fanfare. And if those quiet givers happen to be super rich, some politicians pile on to the dog-pile and rip them a new one for being greedy.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
22. No, the money is needed and would otherwise have to come from district governments
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 05:56 PM
Apr 2019

for most French religious structures including cathedrals. A few bigger structures like Versailles and NDP are funded nationally. So the donations are another form of paying taxes, and come with healthy tax breaks to make them attractive. So it's just putting a merit badge on a funding stream that is already in place.

crosinski

(411 posts)
26. They're buying their stairways to heaven the easy way.
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 06:11 PM
Apr 2019
There's a lady who's sure
All that glitters is gold
And she's buying a stairway to heaven
When she gets there she knows…


Led Zepplin

Siwsan

(26,262 posts)
28. "All Things Must Pass" George Harrison
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 06:15 PM
Apr 2019

Nothing last forever. It's just sad to see such majesty disappear. IMHO, anyway.

Siwsan

(26,262 posts)
27. I just posted something similar
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 06:14 PM
Apr 2019

As someone who loves history, and really loves visiting historic sites, I'm glad it's being restored. My wonder was, if they raise more than they need, can the surplus be constructively funneled elsewhere.

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
44. I'd bet that some of any surplus would go into a Trust
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 12:12 AM
Apr 2019

for future maintenance and operating expenses. Hopefully, there would be enough left over to share with other structures.

malaise

(268,998 posts)
32. It sure bothered the protesters in France today
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 06:44 PM
Apr 2019
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/20/gilets-jaunes-battle-riot-police-and-light-fires-in-paris-over-high-taxes
<snip>
Yellow vest protesters angry over high taxes and inequality march in Paris days after blaze

Riot police and protesters have fought running battles in the centre of Paris as gilets jaunes anti-government demonstrators in fluorescent yellow vests led street marches over what they called “a crisis” of high taxes and economic inequality.

Less than a week after the fire that destroyed the roof and spire of Notre Dame Cathedral, firefighters rushed to put out multiple small fires around the Place de la République, as motorbikes, bins, bicycles and cars were set alight on roads and pavements. Groups of masked men threw projectiles and police fired teargas. Some rioters in masks smashed the window of a sports shop and ran in to loot it, emerging with bags full of goods.

The interior minister, Christophe Castaner, said on Saturday that Paris could become “the capital of rioting”, suggesting extremist demonstrators planned to attend the street marches. Politicians from Emmanuel Macron’s La République En Marche party said “black bloc” masked anarchist protesters were present.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
33. Not in particular. It all depends on what they want in return or
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 07:00 PM
Apr 2019

what else they do with their lives.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
36. Nope.
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 07:18 PM
Apr 2019

Not a bit. That is a beautiful cathedral, and I hope they can restore it to its original majesty. History cannot be replaced, but we should retain it as much as we can. I would bet if the original craftsmen who worked on that gorgeous place back in the 12th century were asked - they would agree 100%. And very few of them were rich.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
37. It's always been that way
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 07:18 PM
Apr 2019

But on the other hand the greatest monuments in the world wouldn’t exist without self serving rich people paying to build them.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
40. Only because no matter how accurate the re-creation is, the historic significance is lost forever.
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 07:33 PM
Apr 2019

Apart from that, I'm never against creating (or re-creating) something beautiful.

 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
41. No, I'm grateful they are willing to give it away...
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 09:01 PM
Apr 2019

It will take millions in repairs. That amount will employ hundreds, if not thounsands, for quite a while. A silver lining from a bad thing.

EX500rider

(10,848 posts)
42. Don't see many lining up to help the National Cathedral in WashDC...it needs help too
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 09:28 PM
Apr 2019

....and is as close as you will get to a Gothic Style Cathedral in the US. Took 81 years to build. Was damaged in a rare earthquake in 2011.










https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_National_Cathedral

intelpug

(88 posts)
47. National cathedral
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 12:44 AM
Apr 2019

Probably damn few people know it needs work since it isn't featured in a catastrophic front page story. ON the other hand, looking at those towering spires of stone,-- well it has convinced me that if something like this is humanly possible then maybe I CAN get away with building a modest stone chimney alongside my house without disaster happening!

EX500rider

(10,848 posts)
43. It's not like a lot is not given to charities:
Sat Apr 20, 2019, 09:34 PM
Apr 2019

Total giving to charitable organizations in the US was $410.02 billion in 2017 (2.1% of GDP). This is an increase of 5.2% in current dollars and 3.0% in inflation-adjusted dollars from 2016.

https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=content.view&cpid=42#

Takket

(21,568 posts)
46. the problem is that the ultra rich are allowed to accumulate that much wealth to begin with
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 12:29 AM
Apr 2019

not who they choose to give it away to.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
48. Spending a billion dollars on restoration
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 01:26 AM
Apr 2019

WHere do you think that money goes? It goes into the pockets of tens of thousands of workers.

Billionaires using their personal funds to hire thousands and thousands of skilled workers makes the billionaires a little poorer and the workers a little richer.

This will do alot more to reduce inequality, than Billionaires leaving their cash in the bank.

Hekate

(90,686 posts)
50. No. Tax them appropriately; otherwise it is their money. They could be buying another yacht ...
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 02:23 AM
Apr 2019

...or a penthouse in a place with a big gold T on the front of the building, and no one would even notice it enough to bitch about it. Instead they are helping to save a significant artifact of Western Civilization.

The word from me is: Merci boucoup.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
51. It is their...
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 03:25 AM
Apr 2019

Money to do with as they see fit. However the money being donated could go a long way to helping many, many, many people instead of rebuilding an 800+ year old building.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
53. It bothers me when people ask them for charity for public
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 04:29 AM
Apr 2019

works that should be supported by taxpayers, like donations to public colleges. Those are OUR responsibilities and our chances to build and be proud. If we can't afford it, we need to question why we're maintaining these ultrawealthy classes with our national wealth. They're not even paying the taxes we would have on their accumulations.

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