Yesterday, Speaker Pelosi again took impeachment off the table. Track the damage done to our...

I am officially retired from trying to help people understand who is really who and what is going on.

time to focus on my family, while putin still allows me to have one

Come 2020, if the Democrats have done NOTHING, Trump and his minions will claim loudly that he was exonerated, and therefore deserving of re-election. And the Democrat's only reply will be, "Well, the only reason we didn't impeach was because we didn't think it would pass the Senate"? Really?

This is a lot like a parent not bothering to set a child straight on what's acceptable behavior and what is not acceptable.

That's simply not true. But what IS true is that if the Senate fails to convict, THAT will be when the GOP and Trump claim that he's been exonerated and "found innocent".

No, it's not like that at all. That's an overly-simplistic (and wrong-headed) way of describing it. It's a bad analogy. And even if we follow that analogy, the Democrats have made it very clear what's "acceptable behavior" and what's not.

Surely you've seen it, it's been in all the papers and all over TV.

GOP cannot be relied upon to do the right thing.

Making the determination about doing what is right should NOT ride on what repubs think or do.

They live in a fact-free universe of lies.

It's like trying to reason with a recalcitrant toddler: just not possible or even worthwhile.

On edit: Trumpistas already believe Trump is innocent, has been exonerated, and is the second coming of Christ.

Bridge crossed/ship sailed on that.

Nobody is doing that.

I trust Nancy Pelosi to NOT make hasty, knee-jerk responses. She will consider everything.

Trump will run on immigration scare tactics and whatever dirt he can find or invent for his opponent. I hope that opponent laughs at Trump and says, "can we talk about healthcare now?"

Because no damage was done.

First, she didn't "take impeachment off the table.""

Second, Pelosi and the Dems are going about this the right way.

If they filed Articles of Impeachment today, they would be based solely on the information in the Mueller report. No Emoluments. No tax returns. No money laundering. Just the Mueller Report. And the inquiry would be, not what else Trump has done wrong, but whether the information in the Mueller Report rises to the level of a high crime or misdemeanor. We already know where everyone stands on this. And the impeachment inquiry would pretty much shut down any other investigations by other committees into any other crimes or misdemeanors Trump has engaged in because they would not be subject of the impeachment inquiry, which would be limited to the allegations in the Articles of Impeachment.

The only appropriate way to proceed is for the various committees in the House to continue their investigations, hold public hearings through which the American people can hear from Mueller, McGahan, et al and watch Donnie, Jr., Priebus, Kelly, Mnuchin, Miller and other assorted co-consipirators testify under oath and get raked over the coals. In short order, the public will see exactly how corrupt and craven this administration is and THEN the Judiciary Committee can draft Articles of Impeachment that encompass the broad range of crimes Trump has engaged in.

And if, despite the public pressure and the damning public record, the Republicans refuse to convict him in the Senate, it will be all on them.

But if they can ignore subpoenas in a House investigation, they can also ignore subpoenas in an impeachment inquiry.

My take is correct.

Humanitarian issues at the sourhern border, graft on a governmental scale. there is urgency here.

and starting an impeachment process that won't further expose his other wrongdoing or result in his removal from office won't have any more impact on what's happening at the border than holding additional hearings, developing a stronger, more sustainable case will.

From your link -

Your link is to something called the weekly list.

You post a title that does not correspond to your link but you thought your link was to something else and then you insult me because you screwed up.

Nice

I suspect you're the only poster having trouble with knowing what Amy's List is.

It's Amy's List. Amy tracks all the deeds done by donnie. It's simple, really.

Lol.

to just explain to the other poster what Amy’s List is? Not all of us are heavy users of Twitter and therefore are quite unlikely to have any knowledge of Amy or her eponymous list.

...local network of Democratic activists with whom I'm doing GOTV, protests and demonstrations, and organizing.

“If you don’t know whatever random-ass person I’m obliquely referencing then I can’t possibly deign to help or inform you” is a less than civil response.

compiling it daily since Jan 20, 2017, as a way to avoid the "frog in boiling water" phenomenon by allowing us to see what is being done to destroy our democracy on a daily basis.

She's also published a book, which I've seen mentioned here on DU before: https://www.amazon.com/List-Week-Week-Reckoning-Trumps/dp/1635572711/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1?keywords=amy+siskind&qid=1556034277&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmrnull

The shift has already happened, so we're arguing mostly over whether to impeach now or hold hearings.

and we had huge victories in 2008.

I trust her on this.

seen very little to justify the work that I did and that 100,000s of other Democrats did to give House Dems the majority and her the Speakership.

The problem with the left is that they want instantaneous change. We need to learn to be more patient.

to read in black and white took me to a level of disgust and upset that was disheartening.

To not think even the redacted Report is not enough is surprising.

But that's not the issue since it's not only about us.

Most people haven't read the report cover to cover or even partially, and aren't going to. They're going to need to be convinced in more tactile ways. That will come through in-person testimony, day-to-day coverage, etc.

We all need to slow our roll and let this proceed the right way!

The Presidency, to go forward without having previous experience to draw on is akin to guessing.

Nancy said yesterday...

"We have to save our democracy. This isn’t about Democrats or Republicans. It’s about saving our democracy,” Pelosi said.

Smarter people than me have stated that there is more than enough in the Mueller report to begin Impeachment hearings.

i agree with Sen. Warren. Go through the process and make every Senator stand before the American people to declare their vote.

Good grief. It's the very least we can do.

There may be more than enough in the Mueller Report "technically" to support impeachment, but it's not enough in this climate.

If Articles of Impeachment are filed now, the other investigations would essentially have to shut down because the impeachment inquiry would be limited to what's in the articles.

Why the rush? What's wrong with waiting a few more months to enable the other committees to conduct in-depth hearings and investigations that gather an entire sh*tload of evidence that can be included in the Articles, making a virtually fool-proof case for impeachment and convincing a much larger segment of the public to support it?

I'm really glad that Speaker Pelosi is not being swayed by the hysteria in the ranks and jumping the gun so that we can try to "get him" even if that means falling on our faces in the long run and that she and her team are keeping their eyes on the prize, moving methodically and carefully toward the goal we're all trying to achieve.

The least we can do is to take the time to get it right.

election year can be seen as a political hit job even more. Let's get it started.

ANY documents, or ANY witnesses, that are in ANY way under his 'control' as head of the Executive ... from being delivered to, or appearing before, any House committee.

He's made clear at this point, that's his intent.

with tRump or with America and the Constitution.

so that the whole country will be focused on him and ignore the campaign going on.

I respect and trust speaker Pelosi.

Let's keep digging and if we find the buried skeleton, we'd be that much stronger in impeaching. For now, all we have is shovels and wheelbarrows.

I hope that clarifies things.

I did not interpret it that way.

and moreover, makes room for stonewalling.

The full Mueller report will be stonewalled unless the purpose is exploring impeachment.

Does anyone think Nadler will get the full report on the date he requested, May 1st?

Not one person believes he will.

Subpoenas will be ignored. They are now.

I'm not going to go to the store today. Therefore... Stillcool is taking going to the store off the table! The family will never eat again!

Please eat neatly.

should put McConnell on the table.

I believe that .."now is not the time" That is what I believe. I think that if the time is right, Pelosi will lead the impeachment. We are not there yet, but we may get there. If we do, Pelosi will lead the impeachment.

Go figure.

Those calling for impeachment BEFORE the completion of such hearings strike me as being politically naive or just wanting to create the perception that Dems are ignoring the wishes of their supporters. They really need to chill and give Pelosi and the Dems time to complete hearings and any needed investigations.

Impeachment is the main course. You put it on the table when it is fully cooked and ready.

We're getting closer to that point, but we still need to keep the investigations going.

Patience.

law and is telling others to do the same. He needs to be removed.