"Don't you think it's about time that we in the media separate Franklin Graham

[Ilsa]

from religion, because when he speaks now, when he separates, he separates himself from (sic), we might as well be listening to Steve King, Congressman King from Iowa, when you hear Franklin Graham speak." -- Mike Barnicle on Morning Joe (aka "Morning Psycho&quot

Meacham, Barnicle, Geist, etc were discussing Graham's comment on twitter that Buttigieg needs to repent, and how selective FG's self-righteousness is.

[malaise]

1. Imperialists and racists always walk with their snake oil salesmen

Evangelicals today are yesterday's Catholics

[scrutineer]

2. Radical christianism is a POLITICAL, not a religious movement, and Franklin Graham is a wealthy man

Take away their tax exempt status and they'll shut the fuck up

[True Blue American]

4. Long past!

No one would know who he is if it were not for his Father, and Franklin is not fit to fill his shoes.

Some one should remind him that we are in the New Covanant that follows Christ. The old is gone.

That is what drives me away, so many cling to the hate filled Old instead of following the New and the words of Jesus. I am happy to be in a Church like that. If they revert back I am gone, finished with Organized Religion that so many have turned into a hate , money and Power creed!

[CaptYossarian]

11. Same as that Falwell douche.

They can all go to Hell.

Anyone who b*tches about Pete loving his husband might just as well be wearing a hood and a sheet. Christ loved everyone. These douches are not Christ-like.

[True Blue American]

13. Christ never mentioned that, it is in

The old, hate filled, revenge of the Old Testament . I do not follow that.

[Wounded Bear]

21. Paul mentions homosexuality in some of the epistles...

Doesn't excuse the hatred the Talibangelists express, though.

[msongs]

34. paul is not jesus, tho he has successfully hijacked the jesus cult nt

[Wounded Bear]

36. I know, I was raised a Baptist...

thankfully, I got better.

Far too many modern Christians don't understand that difference. All too often, they ignore the actual words of Jesus and instead go to the humans who wrote many years after his "death," Paul being a favorite.

[CaptYossarian]

23. I was being general, not specific to homosexuality.

Love is love in any form, to any human.

I use the math principle: A positive times a negative is negative. If you hate someone because of who they love, it's negative.

[Buckeyeblue]

3. Franklin has never done anything

Everything was handed to him. And he has non of the charm that his father had.

[Ilsa]

6. Yep. And as an adult, he was a "bad boy" until

He figured out that his daddy's empire was an easy, lucrative gig to inherit and parlay into more money and power.

Franklin is a hypocritical slime-doggy.

[Rebl2]

16. Got that right!

[CaptYossarian]

12. His father didn't have much charm in that tape where he and Nixon were ragging on the Jews.

[bitterross]

20. Yep, his dad wasn't all THAT great either. His civil rights record stinks.

His dad wasn't exactly without some major flaws. Billy Graham was not great on the Civil Rights movement. He worked against MLK Jr. He made statements that belied his racisim and support for segregation:

"Only when Christ comes again will the little white children of Alabama walk hand in hand with little black children"

Like so many other people, his legend is far better than his reality.

Franklin Graham is just a pure opportunist. I suspect he's doing hookers and blow in the back rooms of the church. Enjoying taking the "flock's" money. Sheep aren't bright.

[CaptYossarian]

24. Ol' Billy gets some cred for being at JFK's inauguration. Other than that,

he's like all the rest. Deplorable em-effers.

[pangaia]

18. His father was a blind, grimacing, delusional fool.

[Mariana]

26. Nevertheless, he was popular among Christians.

His ministry made him a very wealthy man.

[sdfernando]

29. You mean his Con-game

not ministry.

[Mariana]

38. Is there a difference? nt.

[CentralMass]

5. I'd say that it is religions job to do that.

[dalton99a]

7. There is nothing spiritual or Christian about that piece of shit.

[PeeJ52]

8. I can't remember ever hearing Franklin Graham saying anything religious...

all I have ever heard from him is bigoted, hateful, political speech. I've heard his father give sermons and pray on television, but I've never heard Franklin Graham. I know he runs a religious college. Does he have a religious television show like his father did where he discusses the bible? Just wondering. All I've heard from him is hate.

[Scarsdale]

9. Did he even graduate from

divinity school? I heard that he did not. Just followed his father into the family bidness. Mush like the entire tRump family with the grifting bidness. Franklin is no man of the cloth.

[dalton99a]

10. World-class education

In 1970, Graham attended LeTourneau College in Longview, Texas, and was expelled from the school for keeping a female classmate out past curfew.[6] In 1974, he graduated from Montreat-Anderson College, now Montreat College, with an A.S.[7] and in 1978 from Appalachian State University with a B.A.[8][9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Graham

[True Blue American]

15. Franklin rejected

Every thing his Father stood for until he failed. Then he tried to take over. There were fights among siblings, even Father and Son.

Billy wanted a simple barn shaped structure. Franklin wanted a flashy modern.

[Scarsdale]

17. He owns a private jet.

Plus he bought a sea plane from Palin's husband. Guess he thinks if he is in the sky, he is closer to his Boss??

[True Blue American]

25. Pity the poor

People who donate to them.

[Mariana]

39. No, don't pity the people who donate to them.

The donors know exactly what they're doing. They enthusiastically support Graham, his ministry, and his message. They give him money to help him spread those ideas, because they agree with the things he says.

[True Blue American]

14. I was once included in a group of Graham Pastors

Who were setting up one of Billy’s Crusades. There was not one negative word in their prayers.

Billy was so embarrassed by Nixon he vowed not to get into Politics again. He did counsel Clinton, but privately, not Political.

[dsc]

35. I get tired of straights trying to blame gays for homophobia

Graham is a straight bigot period.

[Mariana]

22. Absolutely not.

Franklin Graham is a popular and influential Christian leader. It would be very dishonest to pretend otherwise.

[unblock]

28. a politically partisan influential christian leader. it would be very dishonest to pretend otherwise

[Mariana]

32. That doesn't make him unique, or even unusual.

Lots of religious leaders are politically partisan.

The majority of Christian voters cast ballots for Trump. That's just a fact. Much of the support for Trump is frankly religious in nature - Graham is far from the only preacher telling the flock that Trump is God's own chosen president. Attempting to "separate Franklin Graham from religion" in the media, as Barnicle proposes, is deliberately misleading, and they should not do it.

[unblock]

33. Yes -- your description is better

"Separating" him in the sense of identifying him as a partisan political advocate "instead of" a religious leader isn't accurate.

The real problem is as you imply, that religion is for some reason held out as apolitical when in practice it is not. We shouldn't "separate" Franklin from that, but we should point out that he is a partisan political shill and not pretend that his position as a religious leader gives him any greater authority in political matters.

[Turbineguy]

27. He has to cast his own shadow, obscured as it is

by his dear old dad's.

In this age that means it's the crazed reactionary RWNJ clothing.

[Oneironaut]

30. I just listened to Todd Starnes get absolutely obliterated by a caller on this topic.

It was very satisfying. He tried to pull out bullshit about how Christians follow the New Testament, despite Graham referencing the Old Testament. He also tried to claim Science is the same thing as Biblical tradition.
He got absolutely destroyed and looked like an idiot. It was glorious.

[SWBTATTReg]

31. So much speaking as a 'man of god', eh? graham reveals his true nature by attacking a good and...

decent couple (Mayor Pete and his husband). Despicable. Despite their many good deeds, in helping the community they serve in many ways than what the job as mayor actually calls for, it's a shame that these two good men can't celebrate their relationship as others can, w/o the likes of someone ignorant like graham making a judgment on their relationship.

graham, you are the last person on earth that certainly does NOT have the right to make a judgment on anyone else's relationship, so shut up. Like Mayor Pete said to others, your issue is with Mayor Pete's creator. So take your so called 'issue' up with Mayor Pete's creator.

graham reveals his hatred dictated by others long dead and gone, because of some misguided belief that there is sin there, when in fact, being LGBT is genetic in nature for the most part. What's next, graham? Stoning gays or lesbians or anyone else your religion doesn't like for some crime?

graham has committed multiple sins, that of pride, conceit, and violates the 'golden rule', "thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself" from the Book of Leviticus and the New Testament about the ethic of reciprocity known as the Golden Rule.

I guess it's okay to grab a woman's p*&&y, and brag about it to others. Where does it say this in the bible, graham, that this is acceptable behavior?

[ck4829]

37. K&R

[sarcasmo]

40. Tax the church.